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3 hours ago, MB3 said:

They need guys who can pick corners. You hope Holtz is one -- the future of the franchise sorta depends on it. And then you think maybe Foote is another in that shoot-first mold. But I'm exhausted of this 2013-Devils style "outshoot your opponent by 15, lose by three" garbage. 

If you think you’re exhausted with that sh!t, you ain’t alone. I’ve flat out HAD IT with this team’s inability to snipe, or produce any talent that knows how to fvcking snipe. It’s a disease that’s pervaded this organization for years and I want it fvcking eradicated.

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11 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

If you think you’re exhausted with that sh!t, you ain’t alone. I’ve flat out HAD IT with this team’s inability to snipe, or produce any talent that knows how to fvcking snipe. It’s a disease that’s pervaded this organization for years and I want it fvcking eradicated.

I'm with you guys. You can probably name all the players we had who could routinely beat a goalie clean on one hand. 

The NHL posted a list of the most goals in a season for every franchise. We are the only franchise that started before the 90's who has never had one 50 goal scorer. Its incredible. 

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Just now, mfitz804 said:

The game evolved; we won 3 Stanley Cups without a sniper. You can’t win without those guys anymore. 

And we got the first overall pick in two years where the BPA was not that guy. 

Won 3 cups w/o a sniper? 

1995 - Stephane Richer was nothing if not a goal scorer, so was John MacLean, and Claude even had years of 30/40 before the Cup year. 

2000 - Alex Mogilny? Sykora was a shooter. Elias had 35 that year

2003 - Yes, not as many shooters, but still had good O talent up there.

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12 minutes ago, HellOnICE said:

Won 3 cups w/o a sniper? 

1995 - Stephane Richer was nothing if not a goal scorer, so was John MacLean, and Claude even had years of 30/40 before the Cup year. 

2000 - Alex Mogilny? Sykora was a shooter. Elias had 35 that year

2003 - Yes, not as many shooters, but still had good O talent up there.

I’m not saying we had zero goal scorers, but we never had an elite sniper. 

Richer was 15th in the league in goals in 1995 with 23, in a half season. Good, approaching that 50 goal pace, but not quite. 

Elias was 11th in 2000 with his 35, the league leader had 59. 

Mogilny definitely was a sniper in his career, but barely scored in 1999-00. 7 goals in 35 games between regular season and playoffs is hardly sniping. His next year, when we didn’t win the Cup, he had 43. And then he was gone. 

Sykora had 34 in 1999-00 between regular season and playoffs. 

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42 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

I'm with you guys. You can probably name all the players we had who could routinely beat a goalie clean on one hand. 

The NHL posted a list of the most goals in a season for every franchise. We are the only franchise that started before the 90's who has never had one 50 goal scorer. Its incredible. 

Always makes me chuckle that the closest anyone's ever come to 50 in a Devils jersey was Brian Gionta, who totally abused to new "post lockout" rules to just plant himself in front of the net.

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4 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Always makes me chuckle that the closest anyone's ever come to 50 in a Devils jersey was Brian Gionta, who totally abused to new "post lockout" rules to just plant himself in front of the net.

What a screen the little man provided. 

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7 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Always makes me chuckle that the closest anyone's ever come to 50 in a Devils jersey was Brian Gionta, who totally abused to new "post lockout" rules to just plant himself in front of the net.

2005-06 is a year that should really be thrown out...remember Jonathon Cheechoo (56 goals that year)?  A lot of goofy numbers that year (including Carolina as a team).  

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35 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I’m not saying we had zero goal scorers, but we never had an elite sniper. 

Richer was 15th in the league in goals in 1995 with 23, in a half season. Good, approaching that 50 goal pace, but not quite. 

Elias was 11th in 2000 with his 35, the league leader had 59. 

Mogilny definitely was a sniper in his career, but barely scored in 1999-00. 7 goals in 35 games between regular season and playoffs is hardly sniping. His next year, when we didn’t win the Cup, he had 43. And then he was gone. 

Sykora had 34 in 1999-00 between regular season and playoffs. 

15th in the league in scoring is a Sniper. Even with the short amount of teams. Same for 11th. 

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1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

2005-06 is a year that should really be thrown out...remember Jonathon Cheechoo (56 goals that year)?  A lot of goofy numbers that year (including Carolina as a team).  

Jonathan Cheechoo, man now there's a name I haven't thought about in forever.  Holy sh!t yeah almost a 60 goal scorer.

Had to google his stats - actually came close to 40 the following season before falling off a cliff.  Cherry picking a bit, but 130 goals in his first four seasons (305 gp), then only 40 in his final three seasons (196 gp).

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Last year, William Nyrlander was 15th in the league, is he not a sniper? He was 1 goal/spot behind Panarin.

 

2 minutes ago, titans04 said:

Somehow I still find it crazy that Brian Gionta scored 48 in a season. Bravo sir, bravo. 

Ryan Gosling Clap GIF

That whole season was a semi-albatross of stats.

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8 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Here was that graphic I mentioned

 

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I hate that they use past teams for these stats, at first glance I was like who the hell is Blaine Stoughton and when did he play for Carolina, same with Goulet on Colorado. Also have Selanne listed for Arizona. 

Those real answers should be...

Arizona - Keith Tkachuk - 52

Carolina - Eric Staal - 45

Colorado - Joe Sakic - 54

Dallas - Mike Modano - 50

Winnipeg - Patrik Laine - 44

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

I’m not saying we had zero goal scorers, but we never had an elite sniper. 

Richer was 15th in the league in goals in 1995 with 23, in a half season. Good, approaching that 50 goal pace, but not quite. 

Elias was 11th in 2000 with his 35, the league leader had 59. 

Mogilny definitely was a sniper in his career, but barely scored in 1999-00. 7 goals in 35 games between regular season and playoffs is hardly sniping. His next year, when we didn’t win the Cup, he had 43. And then he was gone. 

Sykora had 34 in 1999-00 between regular season and playoffs. 

Mogilny had a couple of big years...76 goals in 92-93, and 55 goals in 95-96.  The only other season he scored over 40 was in 2000-01 (43 as you pointed out...did that in 75 GP).  He was a sniper though, for sure.

What was interesting about Mogilny's short stint here was in his first 64 games as a Devil (includes the 2000 playoffs), he scored just 14 goals...Lou was actually exploring trading him earlier on in the 2000-01 season (7 goals through 28 GP), then out of nowhere, he just went on a complete tear...he scored 20 goals over his next 20 games, and finished the regular season with 36 goals over his final 47 regular season games in 2000-01...add the first 8 playoff games of that season, and he scored 40 goals over 55 GP.  Unfortunately after that, he cooled off for the rest of the playoffs...just one goal in his last 17 games (part of the reason the Devils cooled off in general I'm sure, after going on that 22-2-0 run that was the most dominant in Devils history...they outscored the opposition 105-46).

So for a 55 game stretch in 2000-01, Mogilny was sniping with the best of 'em.

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13 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Mogilny had a couple of big years...76 goals in 92-93, and 55 goals in 95-96.  The only other season he scored over 40 was in 2000-01 (43 as you pointed out...did that in 75 GP).  He was a sniper though, for sure.

What was interesting about Mogilny's short stint here was in his first 64 games as a Devil (includes the 2000 playoffs), he scored just 14 goals...Lou was actually exploring trading him earlier on in the 2000-01 season (7 goals through 28 GP), then out of nowhere, he just went on a complete tear...he scored 20 goals over his next 20 games, and finished the regular season with 36 goals over his final 47 regular season games in 2000-01...add the first 8 playoff games of that season, and he scored 40 goals over 55 GP.  Unfortunately after that, he cooled off for the rest of the playoffs...just one goal in his last 17 games (part of the reason the Devils cooled off in general I'm sure, after going on that 22-2-0 run that was the most dominant in Devils history...they outscored the opposition 105-46).

So for a 55 game stretch in 2000-01, Mogilny was sniping with the best of 'em.

Agreed, Mogilny definitely fits the bill. But he didn’t snipe anything in 1999-00 when we won, which was my point.  That’s the kind of guy I’m talking about. Elias was a great goal scorer, no doubt, but were other teams afraid of him scoring whenever he touched the puck? We’re fans so we’re biased, but I don’t ever remember that happening.

To me, that’s a sniper. 

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5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Agreed, Mogilny definitely fits the bill. But he didn’t snipe anything in 1999-00 when we won, which was my point.  That’s the kind of guy I’m talking about. Elias was a great goal scorer, no doubt, but were other teams afraid of him scoring whenever he touched the puck? We’re fans so we’re biased, but I don’t ever remember that happening.

To me, that’s a sniper. 

I agree with how you describe it. 

When Kovy had the puck and a clear shot at the net, there was a chance he was going to pick a corner and beat that goalie clean. I don't feel that way about anyone on our roster.

Palms can do it at times. Zacha has a great shot but doesn't use it much (although he's doing better recently) but there's no one who strikes any fear in an opposing goalie or defense. Wood scares goalies for other reasons. 

With the way Hughes can create space and find open guys he could do some great things with a pure shooter. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

If that’s how you define a sniper, ok. I don’t. 

You don't think 15th in the league in scoring is a sniper?

The Devils aren't going to add a Connor McDavid. If the Devils find someone who finishes top-15 in goals, they're going to be fvcking incredible. Laine finished last year 22nd. Is he not a sniper? The year before, Matthews was 17th. How about that guy? The year before that, Brayden Point finished 15th. That guy is the definition of a sniper.

You need a new word, if you don't want those players. 

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10 minutes ago, MB3 said:

You don't think 15th in the league in scoring is a sniper?

The Devils aren't going to add a Connor McDavid. If the Devils find someone who finishes top-15 in goals, they're going to be fvcking incredible. Laine finished last year 22nd. Is he not a sniper? The year before, Matthews was 17th. How about that guy? The year before that, Brayden Point finished 15th. That guy is the definition of a sniper.

You need a new word, if you don't want those players. 

I think you missed my second post. I agreed in today’s NHL that’s true. 

When guys were regularly scoring 60, I wouldn’t call a guy who was scoring 30 a “sniper”. 

I’ll also add that the term “sniper” is so subjective that it renders this entire debate ridiculous. 

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23 minutes ago, MB3 said:

 

You need a new word, if you don't want those players. 

Maybe clutch is the right word? I definitely get what he's trying to say. It certainly doesn't feel like we have anyone who can change the game for us when we need it most and besides Hall's MVP season it's been a long time since I've felt we had. 

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Just now, Satans Hockey said:

Maybe clutch is the right word? I definitely get what he's trying to say. It certainly doesn't feel like we have anyone who can change the game for us when we need it most and besides Hall's MVP season it's been a long time since I've felt we had. 

I would add to that, who the fvck said I wouldn’t want them? There’s 50 guys in this league, sniper or not, that aI would like to add to our team. 

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21 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I think you missed my second post. I agreed in today’s NHL that’s true. 

When guys were regularly scoring 60, I wouldn’t call a guy who was scoring 30 a “sniper”. 

I’ll also add that the term “sniper” is so subjective that it renders this entire debate ridiculous. 

I think you're just moving the goalposts now. You were asked if top-15 in the league in scoring defines a "sniper" and you said no. I think that's a silly statement to make. 

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