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1 hour ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

Fully expecting Blackwood's GAA to take an absolute hammering down the final stretch. 

Yeah as opposed to what?? He’s getting hung out to dry nightly. 

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27 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I still think he should have traded Hall earlier than he did and possibly get a better return.  However, I am not going to go too deeply into it and run the risk of this turning into another SD-esque debate about alternate outcomes.

I, however, will still refuse to believe we are still where we are due to plain bad luck.  We seem to have an awful amount of bad luck for 5 out of the last 6 years for a team that is supposedly managed/ran well.

Don't forget Hall's knee injury...that buggered up everything, including Hall himself...50 G and 80 A in 109 GP before he missed the rest of 2018-19, and 18 G and 53 A in 102 GP since.  Shero was walking a tightrope with that one...do you move him too early before he finds his groove, or wait too long and watch him get hurt again?  At any rate, I thought he did pretty well with the return...got a first-round pick (that was a must at the time...turned into Dawson Mercer), and a D-prospect...yeah, he got some other stuff too (including the third-rounder just sent to the Caps), but the bigger grabs were clearly the first-rounder (Mercer) and Bahl.  

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

Yeah as opposed to what?? He’s getting hung out to dry nightly. 

The crazy thing is he’s not even seeing that many shots the last few games (23, 26, 19), but every single high danger chance seems to end up in the back of the net lately. 

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8 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

The crazy thing is he’s not even seeing that many shots the last few games (23, 26, 19), but every single high danger chance seems to end up in the back of the net lately. 

He’s still giving up 3-5 goals a game, and every game, you can fault him for like one of them. The rest are guys that were completely left alone, or shots deflected in by Severson. 

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Just now, mfitz804 said:

He’s still giving up 3-5 goals a game, and every game, you can fault him for like one of them. The rest are guys that were completely left alone, or shots deflected in by Severson. 

You forgot that for certain players, it's not about the eye test or the obvious stat lines that win games, but about how their advanced numbers are.  Unfortunately, Blackwood is not one of those players.

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7 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

So context only matters when it comes to goalies. Got it. 

Call it whatever you like, there is no stat for "getting hung out to dry" as far as I know. 

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29 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

What are you spewing off about?  I haven't mentioned this ever before today.

Yet you did multiple times. 

We all get it......you think Fitz made an incredible error by getting nothing for a guy who was playing his last dozen or so games here.

YAWN

Show me the last 7th rounder that ever did anything in the league

 

 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

Yet you did multiple times. 

We all get it......you think Fitz made an incredible error by getting nothing for a guy who was playing his last dozen or so games here.

YAWN

Show me the last 7th rounder that ever did anything in the league

 

 

You really can Google anything. Check out #10, list is clearly outdated lol.

10 Best 7th Round Picks of the Last 15 Years

 

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2 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

It clearly wasn't about money since DAL has picked up his entire salary.  If the bolded is what went down, the Fitz just got gamed by the other GM's.  Either way it is not a good look.

Vatanen's play doesn't really matter.  Somebody wanted him enough to pick him and his $2M up.  I guess the only silver lining is that maybe this is finally the end of Vats in NJ for good.

 

2 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

Only for Dallas to pick him and his full cap hit/salary for nothing.  Fitz blinked and got schooled.

I am not upset that it wasn't a higher round, but that Fitz literally got nothing for him.  It's just bad asset management.

I think the answer here is not that Fitz got schooled or another GM called his bluff.  I really don't think they play those type of games with each other when you're talking about minor moves at this level.  Sekera apparently broke his foot blocking a shot in last nights game so the need for Vats in Dallas arose after he was already placed on waivers.      

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19 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Call it whatever you like, there is no stat for "getting hung out to dry" as far as I know. 

The guys in front of him are certainly at least partially to blame, but they’re the same players from early in the season when Mac was playing great. His game has changed more than any of their’s has, imo. Maybe Severson has taken a step back, but the rest are pretty much what they’ve been all season. Ruff has never run a tight defensive system. It’s cliche but your goalie has to be your best PKer, and we just haven’t really been seeing that much.

He did have a couple 40+ save performances a couple weeks ago, so we’ve seen those flashes of elite Mac since coming back from covid. I think it’s just a case of a young goalie struggling with consistency issues more than anything else. The early softies are just killers though, and not something we saw from him much last year. But I think he’ll be fine. He’s hardly the only young goalie that’s having an up and down season. 

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Just now, Nicomo said:

The guys in front of him are certainly at least partially to blame, but they’re the same players from early in the season when Mac was playing great. His game has changed more than any of their’s has, imo. Maybe Severson has taken a step back, but the rest are pretty much what they’ve been all season. Ruff has been we run a tight defensive system. It’s cliche but your goalie has to be your best PKer, and we just haven’t really been seeing that much the last few games.

He did have a couple 40+ save performances a couple weeks ago, so we’ve seen those flashes of elite late 2019 Mac since coming back from covid. I think it’s just a case of a young goalie struggling with consistency issues more than anything else. The early softies are just killers though, and not something we saw from him much last year. But I think he’ll be fine. He’s hardly the only young goalie that’s having an up and down season. 

I'm 100% not saying "its everyone else's fault", obviously you have to account for the fact that sh!t happens as a goalie and be ready to roll with it. The first goal yesterday, and to some extent the second goal, have to be things that he adjusts to and gets most of the time. He needs to be able to bail Jack out when he turns over the puck at his own blue line and causes an odd man rush. He has to get better positioning to get a better view when he is screened. 

My only point was, its a very basic tenet of hockey that you have to help your goalie out, and more often than not, we're not doing that. 

1 minute ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

I'm schooled again!

lol

Pretty much proves my point

I basically just thought it was funny that there was a published article directly responding to your point lol. 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I'm 100% not saying "its everyone else's fault", obviously you have to account for the fact that sh!t happens as a goalie and be ready to roll with it. The first goal yesterday, and to some extent the second goal, have to be things that he adjusts to and gets most of the time. He needs to be able to bail Jack out when he turns over the puck at his own blue line and causes an odd man rush. He has to get better positioning to get a better view when he is screened. 

My only point was, its a very basic tenet of hockey that you have to help your goalie out, and more often than not, we're not doing that. 

 

I don’t think we’re that far apart here. Mac is very far down the list of issues right now. Part of the problem is teams like the Caps and Pens just don’t need many chances to capitalize on. That’s mainly what I referring to earlier. 

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4 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

I don’t think we’re that far apart here. Mac is very far down the list of issues right now. Part of the problem is teams like the Caps and Pens just don’t need many chances to capitalize on. That’s mainly what I referring to earlier. 

No, I don't think we are. Maybe someone can make a quick bar graph to tell me why lol. ;) 

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5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

No, I don't think we are. Maybe someone can make a quick bar graph to tell me why lol. ;) 

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I made myself higher because I made the chart.

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