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2021 Trade Deadline Thread April 12, 3pm ET


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3 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

How do we know that the Devils only offered a year or two though?  They might've offered three...think that would've been fair.  A vet with some good years left isn't the worst thing for kids to have in the lineup.

And, yeah I meant a vet that could still be productive...we don't know for sure yet that Palms doesn't still have solid years ahead of him (granted, three years would've been a risk)...I can't completely dismiss that Palms might be declining, but I don't believe that fully, today.  Simmonds and Stafford were just stiffs.  

I never said the Devils offered a 1 or 2 year deal.  I said Palmieri wasn't going to take a deal that short.

If Palmieri signs a 3-year deal, do you think he is going to score 20+ goals playing on the 3rd line wing if and of the guys like Holtz, Mercer, Foote work out along with guys who are with the team like Bratt by year 2 or 3?  By that point you are mostly keeping him around for that "leadership quality" that includes 1 playoff win in 6 seasons with the Devils.

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1 minute ago, Nicomo said:

That’s a really good trade for DET. 

I mean that’s a steal. If Vrana is half as good against other teams as he is against us, he was probably worth it on his own. 

Also, the level of meltdown going on here over a couple of spare parts defensemen is really amazing. Imagine we did that Hughes/Nico for Eichel/Dahlin trade...

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46 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

Seems expensive for Mantha, no?  Like really really expensive 

I dunno, but my fantasy team heading into a win-or-break week just got much better with Mantha going there. And if I make the playoffs, Foligno in Tor should help too

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1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said:

Let's say Palmieri's production didn't drop like it did this year.  Why else should we keep a guy who is 6-10 years older than the supposed new "core" of the team?  His timeline simply doesn't match up to ours.  You can argue leadership qualities, but if he is getting passed over the captaincy for Nico and adding guys like Wood to the rotation of alternate captains, then that tells you everything that management thinks of how much of that he brings to the table.  

this rebuild(s) is really starting to lag. The sad thing is that Palms was traded for near the beginning of the rebuild as an up and coming scorer in the younger age range we wanted and now leaves a seasoned veteran as we are still rebuilding. 

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I would have kept Kulikov for that return given he's the only physical defensively capable defense man the team had. Maybe Fitz was doing him a favor by sending him to a playoff team? 

Fitz likely shopped Vats around before he exposed him on waivers. I can't imagine that he's dumb enough to lose an asset for nothing that he could have gotten something for. 

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7 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

I would have kept Kulikov for that return given he's the only physical defensively capable defense man the team had. Maybe Fitz was doing him a favor by sending him to a playoff team? 

Yeah, I'm really disappointed in losing him.  I mentioned in another thread a few weeks ago that we have enough puck moving d-men and not enough stay at home guys.  

Maybe he didn't want to be here, or maybe Fitz was indeed doing him a favor like you mentioned, but getting only a fourth in return is pretty underwhelming.  We basically swapped Kulikov, who I think has played well this season, for this new guy Siegs, who we don't know much about. Seems like a lateral move at best, probably a downgrade. I guess perhaps the upside may be that Siegs is 23, and I think Kulikov was 30....but that's not much to get excited about. 

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13 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

I would have kept Kulikov for that return given he's the only physical defensively capable defense man the team had. Maybe Fitz was doing him a favor by sending him to a playoff team? 

Fitz likely shopped Vats around before he exposed him on waivers. I can't imagine that he's dumb enough to lose an asset for nothing that he could have gotten something for. 

But again, keep him for what? If they were going to keep him past this year, or if he wanted to stay past this year, there would have been an extension. Without it, it’s stupid to keep him for 18 games that don’t matter and then lose him for free in free agency. 

Just like you’re sure he shopped Vats, I’m sure Fitz considered whether or not Kulikov could be extended. 

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Just now, mfitz804 said:

But again, keep him for what? If they were going to keep him past this year, or if he wanted to stay past this year, there would have been an extension. Without it, it’s stupid to keep him for 18 games that don’t matter and then lose him for free in free agency. 

Just like you’re sure he shopped Vats, I’m sure Fitz considered whether or not Kulikov could be extended. 

Everyone around here complaining about actively trying to lose. I'd rather have had 3 more wins, or whatever, at the end of the season because we kept him than get a conditional 4th. 

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18 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Everyone around here complaining about actively trying to lose. I'd rather have had 3 more wins, or whatever, at the end of the season because we kept him than get a conditional 4th. 

If Kulikov was the difference between winning and losing, I would be all for it.

I’ve never been an advocate of tanking, but selling your expiring contracts at the deadline, when there are no extensions to be had, that’s just common sense to me. 

I would have traded Murray too. 

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1 hour ago, Lateralous said:

Seems expensive for Mantha, no?  Like really really expensive 

Not according to Weeks/Boudreau and some of the the other "experts" that were covering the deals today on the NHL network.  They couldn't tug on Mantha enough and gave this win to Caps and made it seem like a no-brainer.

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29 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I would have traded Murray too. 

I completely understand trying to get something for guys who may otherwise depart for nothing, but you can't keep trading away guys every single year.  It seems like a revolving door.  How can you possible develop and build a system, a culture, chemistry...if the lineup and roster constantly changes?  This was our first year with Murray, Kulikov too.  Subband only been here two years.  Smith is brand new.  Vatanen has come and gone once.  What does the front office expect from the defense when it's essentially a patchwork group of guys?

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3 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

Rangers played that game with the Devils in last year's draft with Schneider.  Albeit calling that a "minor move" is relative, GM's do indeed game each other.

Fitz could have held onto Vats until today, but blinked.  At worst, he doesn't get traded and we just play out the rest of the season with him in the lineup and get nothing.  Instead, he comes out of the lineup and we get nothing.  I would consider both of those outcomes about even, but I wish we could have gotten something.

Vatanen clearing waivers in theory would have increased his value in that a team acquiring him could stash him on the taxi squad as insurance.   I’m sure Fitz thought he could get him through and then the Sekera injury screwed up that plan.   

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58 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I completely understand trying to get something for guys who may otherwise depart for nothing, but you can't keep trading away guys every single year.  It seems like a revolving door.  How can you possible develop and build a system, a culture, chemistry...if the lineup and roster constantly changes?  This was our first year with Murray, Kulikov too.  Subband only been here two years.  Smith is brand new.  Vatanen has come and gone once.  What does the front office expect from the defense when it's essentially a patchwork group of guys?

 

53 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

For what? Another 4th? May as well just keep him.

He’s on a 1 year deal. If they wanted to extend him, that’s fine. If not, get something. 

I honestly think we could have done better for Kulikov, but I assume if we could have, we would have. 

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I imagine this is one of the multitude of reasons the Devils can't attract top UFAs. The Devils basically strip down their roster every trade deadline. I'm sure being dealt late in the season is a pain in the ass. Basically you're living out of a suitcase until your team is out of the playoffs. I also imagine more often than not, the player moves to their new destination while their family stays behind to have the kids finish school. I mean, is there one veteran on the roster outside of SoupCan who is still here?

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14 hours ago, Lateralous said:

Vatanen clearing waivers in theory would have increased his value in that a team acquiring him could stash him on the taxi squad as insurance.   I’m sure Fitz thought he could get him through and then the Sekera injury screwed up that plan.   

Fitz said either last night or this morning that he was told that several teams put in a claim for Vats and not just Dallas.

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15 hours ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said:

this rebuild(s) is really starting to lag. The sad thing is that Palms was traded for near the beginning of the rebuild as an up and coming scorer in the younger age range we wanted and now leaves a seasoned veteran as we are still rebuilding. 

In an alternate timeline where we continue to build off the 17-18 run, Palmieri would probably be worth sticking around another 3-4 years.  However, since then we have done another hard reset and we are back to almost square one.

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11 hours ago, CarpathianForest said:

I imagine this is one of the multitude of reasons the Devils can't attract top UFAs. The Devils basically strip down their roster every trade deadline. I'm sure being dealt late in the season is a pain in the ass. Basically you're living out of a suitcase until your team is out of the playoffs. I also imagine more often than not, the player moves to their new destination while their family stays behind to have the kids finish school. I mean, is there one veteran on the roster outside of SoupCan who is still here?

Yes and no.  With guys like Zajac and Palmieri finally gone this finally feels like a real reset of the team rather than another half-in, half-out sort of rebuild.  My nightmare would be if in the off-season the Devils sign Palmieri to anymore more than 1 or 2 years and signing Zajac and Vats to anything at all.  Unfortunately, I do think there is real temptation on the part of management to bring Zajac back since he seems to like playing here, would probably play for cheap, and likely will have few options to go to anyways (we are team of Last Resort).

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