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Meh, if someone comes forward with irrefutable evidence that deGrom's up to anything, talk to me then.  I think it's simply a case of the guy really is that friggin' good.

As for his ERA...impossible to think that it's not going to be well into the 1.00s by the end of the season (maybe even low 2.00s)...as great as he's been, finishing a full season with an ERA under 1.00 with at least 150 IP doesn't seem possible. 

Anyway, just for the hell of it, deGrom's numbers since the start of the 2018 season:  85 starts (somehow he only has 30 wins to his name for this stretch), 547 IP, 378 H, 118 ER, 39 HR, 116 BB, 721 K, 1.94 ERA (2.17 FIP), 0.903 WHIP...his per 9 IP averages:  6.2 H, 1.9 BB, 11.9 K

These look like the kinds of career numbers a top-notch closer might put up.  Also scary that at one point, deGrom was a prospect who we had ranked behind Thor and...Rafael Montero.  RAFAEL FRIGGIN' MONTERO!

At any rate, I love that the friggin' absolute BEST pitcher in baseball is doing his thing as a New York Met...even if there's been times where I've felt bad for him, being stuck here, with all of the crap that goes on.  

Worth debating:  if he takes home a third Cy this season and manages to snag a fourth next year...is that enough to put him in the Hall-Of-Fame, for short-term dominance, even if he never threw another pitch?  Because let's face it...he'll have won four "full season" Cys, and for a nine-year period will have been anything from good to beyond excellent...not one single bad or even mediocre year in that time frame.  He won't have the wins, but hopefully people realize that wins don't have anything to do with "knowing how to win" (oldsters love to say this)...it has to do with getting friggin' run support.  And his ERA+ (156) for his career is better than every other starting pitcher ever to play the game...Koufax, Pedro, you name it.  Only pitcher ahead of him on that list is Mariano Rivera.  

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Jesus Christ...Peterson is really doing a great Matz imitation this season.  Seems like hitters have really figured him out.  

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Getting real tired of Peterson. Can't get smacked around by the bottom feeding Orioles like this after being spotted a 2-0 lead. Especially after two nice wins out west. He's not long for this rotation. Someday I think he may be ok...but as of now he's hurting the team. Mets may need to slug their way out of this one.

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Like Darling just said, not like the Mets have a ton of pitching depth at the moment.  Unless they’re willing to sit Peterson down for a guy like Gsellman, not sure what they do exactly.  Losing Carrasco and Noah for longer than expected is really starting to hurt.

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Yeah sadly they can’t really afford to street Peterson until someone comes back or they make a trade. What I’d do before sending him down is demoting him from starter to bulk middle inning guy and have someone else as the opener, as much as I loathe the concept maybe that gets him going somehow. They’ve been doing that on and off with Lucchesi as it is but it seems to have got him going.

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If that isn’t the start that ends poor Matt Harvey’s career, I don’t know what is.  The numbers over his last 6 starts are off-the-charts god-awful...in 19.2 IP, he’s allowed 39 hits (7 of them home runs) and 31 ER.  He tried and I’m sure he’s given it his all...there’s just absolutely nothing left.  And it’s sad watching him just getting destroyed, start after start.

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Wow...interesting tin-foil theories from Alonso, about how MLB may liven or deaden balls depending on free agent classes to be.  Get the feeling he’ll be hearing from lots o’ parties about that.

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Yeah that’s…odd though I can’t say I’m surprised to hear A player make the case it’s somehow a grand anti union conspiracy at this point given how toxic things are, I wouldn’t have put money on Alonso and his two plus years in MLB being the one to do it. They must be serving the Kool Aid in double doses at Union meetings.

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2 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

If that isn’t the start that ends poor Matt Harvey’s career, I don’t know what is.  The numbers over his last 6 starts are off-the-charts god-awful...in 19.2 IP, he’s allowed 39 hits (7 of them home runs) and 31 ER.  He tried and I’m sure he’s given it his all...there’s just absolutely nothing left.  And it’s sad watching him just getting destroyed, start after start.

I can’t believe the O’s kept him over Felix lol, then again Felix hasn’t caught on anywhere yet either so he probably had health issues.

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On 6/8/2021 at 8:27 PM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Like Darling just said, not like the Mets have a ton of pitching depth at the moment.  Unless they’re willing to sit Peterson down for a guy like Gsellman, not sure what they do exactly.  Losing Carrasco and Noah for longer than expected is really starting to hurt.

Another pause for Carrasco that they aren’t terming a setback as they transfer him to the 60-day DL. See you in September as a bullpen pitcher I guess

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2 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

I can’t believe the O’s kept him over Felix lol, then again Felix hasn’t caught on anywhere yet either so he probably had health issues.

Looked up some info and apparently Felix himself opted out of his minor league deal with Baltimore...but it wasn’t looking good for him at all.  7.94 ERA in spring training, with a constantly sore elbow and a fastball hovering in the mid-80s.  I looked up his career numbers, and admittedly I’d forgotten how both consistent AND terrific he’d been for several years.  He was a hell of a pitcher from 2009-2015.

But like Harvey, Felix is a guy who’s just never going to come close to regaining his form, should be still be interested in trying to hang on...I really hope Harvey just calls it quits soon.  These last six starts...good lord.

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2 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Another pause for Carrasco that they aren’t terming a setback as they transfer him to the 60-day DL. See you in September as a bullpen pitcher I guess

I’ll be stunned if we ever see him pitch in 2021.  The Mets may have to shop for an arm at the deadline...sucks, but I don’t know how they can possibly count on Noah or Carrasco at this point.  

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Interesting little not, the Mets (though they have played the fewest games in baseball) Met pitchers have surrendered the fewest home runs in the league. A mere 38. The closest team to them is the Marlins with 47 in 7 more games played

Also 2nd only to SD in staff ERA

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15 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Wow...interesting tin-foil theories from Alonso, about how MLB may liven or deaden balls depending on free agent classes to be.  Get the feeling he’ll be hearing from lots o’ parties about that.

 

Alonso does have a propensity to chirp a bit from time to time, but honestly I kind of believe him on this one. Concrete proof of it will be mighty difficult though (if not impossible)

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Schedule is about to get pretty hairy, leading up to the ASB...33 games in 31 days, three DHs, and exactly one day off (June 24...my soon-to-be 51st birthday).  Lots of big games too...starting with 7 at home against the Padres and Cubs, followed by 16 straight divisional games, then a three-game set against the Yanks in the Bronx.  They play three more against a tough Milwaukee team, then get four against the Pirates (they'll need an easier opponent by then)...then finally, a much-needed break.  They open up the second half against the Pirates and the Reds (could prove helpful in coming out of the second-half gate strong).  High volume of second-half games too...as far as off-days go, they get a fair amount of them come September (four in the last half of the month, which could be an absolute godsend).  But not a whole lot before that...and two more DHs to boot.

Depending on how healthy they are, I can't really ask for much more than 18-15 over these 33 to close out the first half...might seem like I'm aiming low, but I can see these group really getting worn down...and let's face it, there's issues with 40% of the rotation...and the sheer number of games means that guys will be asked to start who may not be up to snuff (again, Carrasco and Noah not being able to come back on schedule is really going to hurt).  I can even see the Mets falling out of first...but they should still be well within striking distance of first, which means there will be no reason to hit the panic button.  Curious to see if they try to pick up a starting pitcher at some point...even if it's just a back-of-the-rotation type.      

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fvcking Rojas...just HAD to take deGrom out of this game after 80 pitches.  Idiot.

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Yeah saw that.  Oh boy (as Dano would say).  Fingers and toes double-crossed.

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ugh. Of course. Nice Birthday present for Mr. Cohen from the baseball Gods. Things were going just a little too good for the Mets of late, and of course that cannot be allowed to continue

Hopefully not serious, he was rolling toight.

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Well at least they won the game.  Now just hope it’s not too serious for Jake.

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