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Terrified at the thought of Diaz entering this game

Hill was alright. Crumbled in the 6th but it happens. The Jays get paid to hit too and Hill certainly looks like he has something left in the tank and can contribute

Game is far from over but impressed with the Mets immediately battling back...and with Lugo stabilizing things when it looked like the game may get away from us. Alonso is carry us right now...just what I wanted to see from him

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I think Hill is what he is.  Just hope you get five good innings from him and be careful about looking for more.

The guy to worry about right now is Walker.  Really looks like he might be wearing down.

Braves lose, Phils and Braves do exactly what you would’ve expected…split their series.

And you just KNEW that McCann getting thrown out in that double steal attempt would come back to bite the Mets.  And you just never know what May is going to give you any given game.

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Even if Diaz somehow gets this done…good lord, it is so rarely ever easy for him.

Well he did it…but yikes.

Braves trail by five games.  If the Mets can take three out of five against them, I will absolutely be thrilled with that.  That’ll put the Braves six back with five more games having ticked off the schedule.

And suffice it to say that the Nats, who are now 8 games under .500 and 8 games back after getting swept by the friggin’ ORIOLES, are officially toast.  Would be fun if they managed to win some games against the Phils though.  

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On another note, Harvey out of nowhere has suddenly turned in two terrific outings in a row.  Wonder if some team tries to get him at the deadline (as a “What the hell, why not?” move)…he shouldn’t cost much.  

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39 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

On another note, Harvey out of nowhere has suddenly turned in two terrific outings in a row.  Wonder if some team tries to get him at the deadline (as a “What the hell, why not?” move)…he shouldn’t cost much.  

Yea I saw that too. Not sure where it came from or the details around it. Is he winning by pitching...as in becoming craftier, doing the best with whatever stuff he's got? Or is he actually showing signs of regaining some of the old power?

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2 hours ago, '7' said:

Yea I saw that too. Not sure where it came from or the details around it. Is he winning by pitching...as in becoming craftier, doing the best with whatever stuff he's got? Or is he actually showing signs of regaining some of the old power?

Some of the peripherals suggest luck…he’s only struck out 6 in 12 IP, and the BABIP against him is an unsustainably low .118 (.300 is average).  Of course, it’s not like he’s going to go on some major scoreless streak, so naturally there will be some regression.

What will be interesting is what happens if he turns in a solid third performance in a row?  Could he actually become someone’s Plan B or C at the deadline?  That would be a hell of a feat, considering how off-the-charts terrible he was for much of the season.

The offers might also be so meager that Baltimore says screw it, let’s see if he has a solid half of a season in him, and then maybe we keep him for another year.

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I doubt the Orioles get enough for Harvey (nor is he making enough money at this point to where they have to skimp) to bother moving him, there's a reason they've kept him in the rotation despite a 900 ERA in the first half, they don't have the organizational arms to pitch innings.

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10 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

I doubt the Orioles get enough for Harvey (nor is he making enough money at this point to where they have to skimp) to bother moving him, there's a reason they've kept him in the rotation despite a 900 ERA in the first half, they don't have the organizational arms to pitch innings.

If he has a third good outing in a row, I'm thinking whatever team that could be interested would have to step up a bit (say a decent A or AA prospect, instead of a bag of balls)...I also think there could be some agreement between Baltimore and Harvey, where it's "Look, go have a couple of fun months pitching for a team that's got something to play for, and then come on back here next season, we'd love to see if you can continue this, for us."  They'd manage to get an extra piece that could be useful for them down the line, and if they really feel that Harvey is starting to put his game back together, they can bring him back on another relatively low-cost deal...not like he's going to have tons of suitors.  I think that scenario would be worth trying to piece together some fillers to take Harvey's remaining turns in the rotation.  I think Harvey realizes that Baltimore not only gave him a chance, but stuck with him when many other teams would've bailed...true, they don't exactly have anything resembling depth or options, but still, Harvey was SO bad that it wouldn't have been a shock if the Orioles had just said, "There's nothing here, let's just end this."  

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Mets supposedly will inquire about Max Scherzer

https://metsmerizedonline.com/2021/07/morning-briefing-mets-will-inquire-about-max-scherzer.html/

It will take a lot we all know this...and it's not something for any of us to get our hopes over. Still with the team where it is, the uncertain status of deGrom and others, the Nats falling to pieces, and a new owner wanting to leave his mark on the team 1st year, maybe this is not as outlandish as we thing? And maybe due to Scherzers age (37 tomorrow) he won't be quite as pricey as we think?

I feel really tempted by this. A healthy deGrom + Scherzer with the rest of the rotation...this team would have a legitimate shot to win the NL.

 

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1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

If he has a third good outing in a row, I'm thinking whatever team that could be interested would have to step up a bit (say a decent A or AA prospect, instead of a bag of balls)...I also think there could be some agreement between Baltimore and Harvey, where it's "Look, go have a couple of fun months pitching for a team that's got something to play for, and then come on back here next season, we'd love to see if you can continue this, for us."  They'd manage to get an extra piece that could be useful for them down the line, and if they really feel that Harvey is starting to put his game back together, they can bring him back on another relatively low-cost deal...not like he's going to have tons of suitors.  I think that scenario would be worth trying to piece together some fillers to take Harvey's remaining turns in the rotation.  I think Harvey realizes that Baltimore not only gave him a chance, but stuck with him when many other teams would've bailed...true, they don't exactly have anything resembling depth or options, but still, Harvey was SO bad that it wouldn't have been a shock if the Orioles had just said, "There's nothing here, let's just end this."  

I would still be so worried, a competing team...maybe on the fringes of a Wild Card trying to stay relevant, to bring him onboard and having him out there during important innings. I still feel that if he can maybe regain some of the old power...for maybe even an inning or two the ideal spot for him over the rest of his career would be as a reliever. And that pushing forward trying to rekindle the old Harvey as a starter is just downright impossible and doomed to fail. I think of Frank Tanana (he threw 90 in the 70s and 70 in the 90s) It can be done but Harvey really has to morph into a cerebral cagey junkballer type.

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Washington can't help another team within its division go for a WS title without getting a ransom in return (if they want to keep their credibility)...and he's only signed through the end of this year.  Not like the Mets have a surplus of kids to give away either...they'd really be a "RIGHT fvckING NOW!" team, with little organizational depth.  

If Scherzer was signed for another year or two, I'd definitely consider it, even with the possibility of whatever the Mets deal off to the Nats coming back to hurt them later.  But it seems like a high price to pay for a rental.

I think the inquiry will be just that.

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1 minute ago, '7' said:

I would still be so worried, a competing team...maybe on the fringes of a Wild Card trying to stay relevant, to bring him onboard and having him out there during important innings. I still feel that if he can maybe regain some of the old power...for maybe even an inning or two the ideal spot for him over the rest of his career would be as a reliever. And that pushing forward trying to rekindle the old Harvey as a starter is just downright impossible and doomed to fail. I think of Frank Tanana (he threw 90 in the 70s and 70 in the 90s) It can be done but Harvey really has to morph into a cerebral cagey junkballer type.

Oh I consider him a borderline last resort...he's who you consider after Plan A and Plan B failed (or if your rotation takes a couple of injury hits).  He's nothing more than a wild card, and these two starts could be just a couple of random good outings that even rotten starters can occasionally put up.  I'm just saying that three good outings in a row up his value just enough that you couldn't just get him for nothing anymore (but Has has a fair point in that if it's not for someone that at least has some chance to contribute in the majors someday, the Orioles might as well just hang onto him for the rest of the season).  

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Hopefully they finally get some runs in the eleventh inning of this stupid doubleheader

LOL of course fvcking not...a K and a slow roller double play.  Unfvckingreal.

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Thank goodness McNeil got the Mets off the schneid (of course the Mets finally get an RBI on a double so no RISP), and Lugo wriggled out of his own trouble.  Of course here comes the Diaz Cyclone ride of terror.

Or not...damn this looked like Seattle spider tack-using Diaz.

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Yeah huge huge win…last thing you want is the Braves getting a DH sweep and starting to believe.  Instead for them it’s more same ol same ol…there’s a reason they’re still under .500.

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Nats have just fallen completely apart…they were actually 42-40 back on June 30, after a 14-3 surge (19-9 for the month of June).  They’ve lost 15 of 21 since.

Really hope the Mets can sustain something soon…they’re 18-20 over their last 38 games.  The Phillies and Braves really don’t have much business still being in this thing…it’s a little like a football game where the clear favorite is winning in the fourth quarter 10-6 or something like that…the other team just keeps hanging around.  I’ve been over it a bunch…no one trailing the Mets has shown the ability to go on a truly killer run to date (one pursuer has already collapsed), but at the same time, it would be nice to see the Mets start to put some more distance between them and the Phillies and Braves.  And it can’t be ignored that the Mets have basically been struggling to play .500 ball for quite a while now.

 

Anyway, assuming 88 is still the magic number to win the East for the Mets, here's what needs to be done (and for the teams chasing them to pull ahead):

Mets:  53-45 (35-29)

Phillies:  50-49 (39-24)

Braves:  49-51 (40-22)

Remains a tall order, as long as the Mets can get their act together long enough to get on some kind of roll.  

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Max Scherzer open to waiving his no-trade clause to escape Nationals (msn.com)

Interesting in that if Max for some reason decided he REALLY wanted the Mets and no one else, he's absolutely in the position to make it happen.  And of course the Nationals would then be in the position to say no, but then lose him for nothing at the end of the season, when it looks like it's really time to tear this thing down.  Keeping a 37-year-old Scherzer (who couldn't have delivered more for them, really) doesn't really seem to make any sense at all, regardless of who the suitor is.

This being said, I still think if he's dealt, it won't be to the Mets.  And if I'm the Mets, I'm still not sure about paying a stiff price for a guy who just had triceps issues, and isn't likely to be with the team beyond this year.  

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One pathetic run in 14 innings...consider ourselves lucky that they didn't get swept. But the Braves...well they aren't your fathers Atlanta Braves that were supremely opportunistic and drove the dagger in the Mets hearts any chance they got. Everybody in this division seemingly do nothing except let the Mets off the hook. I'm fine with that 

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20 minutes ago, '7' said:

One pathetic run in 14 innings...consider ourselves lucky that they didn't get swept. But the Braves...well they aren't your fathers Atlanta Braves that were supremely opportunistic and drove the dagger in the Mets hearts any chance they got. Everybody in this division seemingly do nothing except let the Mets off the hook. I'm fine with that 

To date, the Mets are 7-6 against the Braves...not like they've been some major thorn in the Mets' side in 2021.  

What's funny is that on the WFAN, they were talking about how the "Mets keep winning", but they haven't been, really.  As I've pointed out, they've been treading water for what's coming up on almost a quarter season's worth of games...and somehow all that's cost them is 1.5 games in the NL East standings...just like you said, these other NL East teams are just completely incapable of ever capitalizing.  As much as it would be easy to almost assume the sky will eventually fall just because the Mets, when exactly are either the Phils or Braves going to go on a run of .600+ ball?  .500 has been enough of a challenge for them.

And I'm curious to see what happens if the Mets manage to win this series against the Braves...do the Braves become sellers?  

Just for the hell of it, everyone's record in the East for July so far:

Mets:  12-10

Phils:  13-8

Braves:  11-10

Nats:  5-16 (basically July killed their season)

Would be nice if the Mets could finish out this month (and this homestand) on a strong note...say at least three out of the next five.  Finish the month with a 15-12 record.  

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Eickhoff…for the love of god WHY?!  That guy gives you NO chance.

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Giving away a game in a key series…sounds like Sandyball.  There’s always that general lack of urgency.

At the same time, can’t pretend that there weren’t several circumstances that led to Eickhoff starting.  Doesn’t make it any less irritating.

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And we're back on the Diaz Cyclone...Conforto and McCann already had to save his ass once, hopefully he doesn't fvcking blow it again

Pillar had to run that down, another rocket geez.  At least the Mets managed to get a split out of the first four games.  Megill's been a godsend so far.  I wonder what they do with the rotation once Carrasco and Jake come back.  Hopefully Walker straightens out or he may be headed for the DL (phantom or not).

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Yeah I know Diaz can have those 3-K innings, but he is completely untrustworthy.  Tonight was a blown save waiting to happen.

Megill has really been terrific…just keeps finding a way.  And yeah Walker could be running out of steam in a hurry.  

Big win tonight…if the Mets can win tomorrow afternoon, the Braves simply didn’t do nearly enough in this series.  Even if the Braves tomorrow, can’t imagine they’ll be thrilled having only picked up one game in the standings.

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Another atrocious Diaz highwire act that he lucked out on. They had BETTER get this situation fixed with him...and by fixed I mean Kimbrell

I swear this team is like the 1960 Pirates in the World Series all year. Get blasted...win 1-0. Get shut out...win 2-1. Get crushed...win 1-0 the next day. Nothing makes sense with them. I've never seen a more putrid offense win as much as they do

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