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On a great team, which I hope we will become, I see ty smith as a second pairing guy.  Maybe we address RD through free agency?   Dougie Hamilton?   Take best d-man available IMO

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6 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

On a great team, which I hope we will become, I see ty smith as a second pairing guy.  Maybe we address RD through free agency?   Dougie Hamilton?   Take best d-man available IMO

I think Larsson is more realistic case for us. If we will sign Hamilton somehow, Sevs days here will come to an end. 

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11 minutes ago, Guadana said:

I think Larsson is more realistic case for us. If we will sign Hamilton somehow, Sevs days here will come to an end. 

I’d sign up for that right now. 

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10 hours ago, Guadana said:

I think Larsson is more realistic case for us. If we will sign Hamilton somehow, Sevs days here will come to an end. 

Sev is signed to a good/reasonable contract for 2 years after this.   Why move on from him? 

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57 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

Sev is signed to a good/reasonable contract for 2 years after this.   Why move on from him? 

Bad defense and own goals, mostly. 

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7 hours ago, vadvlfan said:

Sev is signed to a good/reasonable contract for 2 years after this.   Why move on from him? 

Like mfitz said, mostly Bad defense and own goals. And I don’t think he will sign this kind of a deal. I think he will sign Mayers/Smidt deal.

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You guys have wildly optimistic views of our defensive corps if you think Damon Severson is somehow expendable, even with the addition of a Larsson or Dougie Hamilton. 

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I mean we've dressed AHLers like Tennyson and (currently) Bahl - I agree and don't think we have any sort of enough depth to be talking about moving on from Severson at this point.

Unless you package him in a trade that brings back a comparable defenseman.. which sort of feels like shuffling chairs on the titanic doesn't it?

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Elliott Friedman was saying that Larsson and the Oilers are working on an extension, so I doubt he'll be available. I'd love Fitzy to go for Hamilton but is there really a chance the Canes don't re-sign him?

There's also going to be free agents that don't sign their extensions until after the expansion draft, which will cloud the picture of who is available.

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25 minutes ago, Aitchmack said:

Elliott Friedman was saying that Larsson and the Oilers are working on an extension, so I doubt he'll be available. I'd love Fitzy to go for Hamilton but is there really a chance the Canes don't re-sign him?

There's also going to be free agents that don't sign their extensions until after the expansion draft, which will cloud the picture of who is available.

The Canes' owner is notoriously cheap / penny-wise-pound-foolish, so it wouldn't surprise me to eventually hear that he lowballed Hamilton and he opted to walk.

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1 hour ago, MB3 said:

You guys have wildly optimistic views of our defensive corps if you think Damon Severson is somehow expendable, even with the addition of a Larsson or Dougie Hamilton. 

And you have a wildly optimistic view of Severson if you think he isn’t expendable. The guy’s range goes from “kind of ok” to completely awful. Usually in the same game. 

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Just now, Devilsfan118 said:

The Canes' owner is notoriously cheap / penny-wise-pound-foolish, so it wouldn't surprise me to eventually hear that he lowballed Hamilton and he opted to walk.

Karmanos was, but this new-ish guy they have seems to be willing to spend more money.

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Just now, mfitz804 said:

And you have a wildly optimistic view of Severson if you think he isn’t expendable. The guy’s range goes from “kind of ok” to completely awful. Usually in the same game. 

He makes mistakes, but so does everyone. 

Will Butcher is a guy we should be excited about leaving. Damon Severson is a perfectly reasonable, perfectly reliable top-6 NHL defenseman on a great team and top-4 NHL defenseman on a fringe playoff team. Damon Severson lead the team in ice time by nearly 200 minutes. The gap between him and the second guy on the list (Jack Hughes) is bigger than the gap between Hughes and the 8th guy on the list (Pavel Zacha). 

He was consistently up against teams top lines -- teams top lines in the best division in hockey. Ovechkin, Crosby, Marchand, Bergeron, Panarin, Barzal... every single night. Put him in a 2nd pairing role by signing Larsson and elevating Ty Smith and I guarantee nobody here is pining for him to get cut or traded for scraps.  

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4 hours ago, MB3 said:

He makes mistakes, but so does everyone. 

Will Butcher is a guy we should be excited about leaving. Damon Severson is a perfectly reasonable, perfectly reliable top-6 NHL defenseman on a great team and top-4 NHL defenseman on a fringe playoff team. Damon Severson lead the team in ice time by nearly 200 minutes. The gap between him and the second guy on the list (Jack Hughes) is bigger than the gap between Hughes and the 8th guy on the list (Pavel Zacha). 

He was consistently up against teams top lines -- teams top lines in the best division in hockey. Ovechkin, Crosby, Marchand, Bergeron, Panarin, Barzal... every single night. Put him in a 2nd pairing role by signing Larsson and elevating Ty Smith and I guarantee nobody here is pining for him to get cut or traded for scraps.  

I’m not looking for him to leave, but if he were to leave, I think he is easily replaced. I have been watching him leave guys alone to score all season, he has put the puck in our net multiple times between this season and last. If you put “Damon Severson goal” into Google, 2 of the first 5 results are about own goals. 

The question was, what do you do with him if you get Hamilton. The answer is, who cares, you play Hamilton in his spot, and move Severson down, and if there isn’t a spot for him, move him. He’s not not expendable by any stretch of the imagination. 

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3 hours ago, MB3 said:

He makes mistakes, but so does everyone. 

Will Butcher is a guy we should be excited about leaving. Damon Severson is a perfectly reasonable, perfectly reliable top-6 NHL defenseman on a great team and top-4 NHL defenseman on a fringe playoff team. Damon Severson lead the team in ice time by nearly 200 minutes. The gap between him and the second guy on the list (Jack Hughes) is bigger than the gap between Hughes and the 8th guy on the list (Pavel Zacha). 

He was consistently up against teams top lines -- teams top lines in the best division in hockey. Ovechkin, Crosby, Marchand, Bergeron, Panarin, Barzal... every single night. Put him in a 2nd pairing role by signing Larsson and elevating Ty Smith and I guarantee nobody here is pining for him to get cut or traded for scraps.  


Butcher isn`t nhl defenseman.
Severson isn`t top-2 nhl defenseman. And if you sign Larsson - you will balance your pairs. If you sign Hamilton - you will have two players for the same tasks. One of them will cost us 8.5+ mil per year if he will sign with us somehow.  Smith, Hamilton and Severson in one team is reckless extravagance.

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1 hour ago, Guadana said:


Butcher isn`t nhl defenseman.
Severson isn`t top-2 nhl defenseman. And if you sign Larsson - you will balance your pairs. If you sign Hamilton - you will have two players for the same tasks. One of them will cost us 8.5+ mil per year if he will sign with us somehow.  Smith, Hamilton and Severson in one team is reckless extravagance.

Who cares how much he costs? We've lead the league in cap space for like ten years in a row, what has that gotten us?

Ty Smith having offensive upside doesn't mean Ty Smith is only an offense-oriented player. He's a top-pairing type guy in the future because he's solid and smart on the puck. This team can afford Severson and Hamilton on the back end; this isn't your 1998 NHL where you have to be 6'-8" and hit the piss out of people to be considered a good defenseman. Technique, footwork, speed and zone escapability all make Ty Smith the prospect he is. 

When did I say Severson is a top-2 NHL defenseman?

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1 hour ago, MB3 said:

Who cares how much he costs? We've lead the league in cap space for like ten years in a row, what has that gotten us?

I'm getting really tired of that argument, I don't give a sh!t what anyone costs right now because we have so much cap room. Overpay a few people and get some good players here. 

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3 hours ago, Guadana said:


Butcher isn`t nhl defenseman.
Severson isn`t top-2 nhl defenseman. And if you sign Larsson - you will balance your pairs. If you sign Hamilton - you will have two players for the same tasks. One of them will cost us 8.5+ mil per year if he will sign with us somehow.  Smith, Hamilton and Severson in one team is reckless extravagance.

You lost me here.   IMO, Smith and Severson could form a really good second pair.   Presumably, Hamilton (or Larsson) would be brought in to anchor the 1st pair, no?    Why is that an extravagance?   We're still about 4 dmen shy of a good defense.    

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2 hours ago, MB3 said:

Who cares how much he costs? We've lead the league in cap space for like ten years in a row, what has that gotten us?

Ty Smith having offensive upside doesn't mean Ty Smith is only an offense-oriented player. He's a top-pairing type guy in the future because he's solid and smart on the puck. This team can afford Severson and Hamilton on the back end; this isn't your 1998 NHL where you have to be 6'-8" and hit the piss out of people to be considered a good defenseman. Technique, footwork, speed and zone escapability all make Ty Smith the prospect he is. 

When did I say Severson is a top-2 NHL defenseman?

Nope. Even modern NHL doesnt work this way. If you want to win - your defense should be really strong and competent. Hope Smith can upgrade himself in open ice game, but for now he cant secure open ice game. He has little bit slow start and cant change skating direction well. 
Severson is a great when he play on the board, he is good puck protector and i really like how he works on the blue line to help attack. But he is a trash when he needs to protect zones, when he needs to stop breakaways, I dont like how he works on the slot.
Pens, Capitals, Blues, Bruins, Kings were sucсessful when they play with 4 pretty strong D. Even Chicago.  Only Tampa played with 3 puckmovers. And one of them was Hedman. 

And most importantly - I was talking about money for a reason.  You're missing it. We must look at the objective reality. Smith is likely to get a serious contract. He has two more years on his rookie contract. Hamilton will eat a huge sum - you said it yourself. You suggested using the space under the cap. Severson will get a contract for 5-6 million-the reference points are enough, plus he played enough for the club to get a promotion. The cap won't be growing any time soon. The free space under the cap will quickly disappear. Especially with the new contract of Smith, Hughes, Zacha and Bratt. 
 

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1 hour ago, Lateralous said:

You lost me here.   IMO, Smith and Severson could form a really good second pair.   Presumably, Hamilton (or Larsson) would be brought in to anchor the 1st pair, no?    Why is that an extravagance?   We're still about 4 dmen shy of a good defense.    

At the very least, it will be too expensive to have Smith, Severson and Hamilton at the same time. Of course, I'm talking about the time when Smith and Severson will have to be re-signed.

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I would probably spend the money on Hamilton and Larsson. How about that? That’s how much I’m willing to spend to try to improve his team. We need defense. Get them both.

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I would probably spend the money on Hamilton and Larsson. How about that? That’s how much I’m willing to spend to try to improve his team. We need defense. Get them both.

I`m in. I just don't believe we'll find a way to persuade Hamilton. 

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21 minutes ago, Guadana said:

I`m in. I just don't believe we'll find a way to persuade Hamilton. 

I’m not sure we can persuade Larsson either. 

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7 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I’m not sure we can persuade Larsson either. 

Montour is a third interesting candidate after Larsson and Hamilton, but other than that I dont think we should make some big offers.

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