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8 hours ago, Nicomo said:

What’s Cam Jansen up to these days? 

Still punching, just above his weight with his incredibly attractive wife. 

And no I wouldn't say that to his face, I value my teeth. 

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11 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Get the feeling Saad was the guy he really wanted.  And that he may consider Tarasenko, but strictly on his own terms.  This next move may not be coming for a while.

My only “oh sh!t” moment that will come from the Tarasenko sweepstakes is if the Isles or Rangers get him.

Yes, it 100% is little brother syndrome where I don’t want the Rangers to have nice things. They have one of their young goalies apparently asking for a trade and still need to lock up sh!tstick, but everyone wants to help the Rangers and I cringe at the idea of Doug Armstrong trading Tarasenko to them for Keith Kinkaid and retaining 50% of VTs salary or something freaking dumb.

As for the Islanders, kinda goes without saying but screw them.

I absolutely don’t want Fitz to pull out all the stops for the unknown commodity (health wise) but a nightmare would be for the NYR scenario to play out and the dude returns to hockey insanely healthy and lights it up.

 

9 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

Still punching, just above his weight with his incredibly attractive wife. 

And no I wouldn't say that to his face, I value my teeth. 

He’s probably laugh his ass off at the comment and agree with you. He’s pretty self deprecating on the Cam & Strick Podcast. 

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Can't really imagine the Rangers being in on Tarasenko. They're wing-heavy as it is, and are about to owe some people some MAJOR raises very soon. 

Islanders are likely, but they'll need STL to retain a lot of salary. I think the big thing right now is St. Louis evaluating whether they want to acquire a better return in exchange for retaining salary, or trade him to a team like the Devils for relative pennies but no money retained.

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1 hour ago, Lateralous said:

The Hamilton deal looks more and more reasonable every day.   Fitz did a wonderful job this week.   

Yeah for sure.  We're no dummies of course...no matter what Dougie says, we know if not for the amount of money the Devils had to throw at him, he's not coming here.  And I have ZERO problem with that reality...we've all known that for several years now, the Devils have not been a desired destination for the big fish (and it's not like the Devils have tried to go all out and really snag any of them either lately, until now)...you HAVE to offer more than everyone else to get these guys to come here, especially as you're trying to rebuild both the team and your franchise's rep.  And to Shero and Fitz's credit, they've been setting themselves up for this moment for a while, and never really got squirrely about it...they could have easily thrown money at a couple of more meh UFAs just to satisfy the group of less patient fans who thought that ownership was being cheap, or simply wanted to see the Devils make a move for the sake of doing SOMETHING (regardless if the "something" made much sense).  PK was a bit of an exception, but to me was more of a "halfway" measure, in that I don't think Shero parted with anything he deemed painful to lose, and that at worst, the Devils were only going to be committed to PK for three years.  But credit to Fitz and his predecessor, in that this day doesn't happen if they weren't willing to stick to their plan.  And they still have plenty more cash to play with. 

14 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Can't really imagine the Rangers being in on Tarasenko. They're wing-heavy as it is, and are about to owe some people some MAJOR raises very soon. 

Islanders are likely, but they'll need STL to retain a lot of salary. I think the big thing right now is St. Louis evaluating whether they want to acquire a better return in exchange for retaining salary, or trade him to a team like the Devils for relative pennies but no money retained.

Tarasenko to the Rangers wouldn't totally shock me only because they can't seem to help themselves...they've had their share of top-heavy, glitzy-name teams that are heavily flawed and ultimately don't win much...as a team that fancies itself as the Yankees of the NHL, it's like they almost HAVE to be on a bigger name, just because.  They'd be better off just saving money for their own guys, because you're right, they're gonna need it.  

Yeah curious to see which way the Blues go with this...retaining money but getting something more legit back, or just dumping salary.  Tough call.  I'd probably want a player with a shot at a future myself.  

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9 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I still think the Rangers have largely been quiet as they are angling to make a move on Eichel.  I think that will be their big splash this year.

I could see this too...if anything, they're probably smart to wait the Sabres out on this one.  That contract though (5 more years, $10 million AAV hit)...they better hope he's healthy.

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29 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I still think the Rangers have largely been quiet as they are angling to make a move on Eichel.  I think that will be their big splash this year.

I don’t see the Rangers meeting the Sabres current demands (last I saw it: 5 assets each with the value of a first round pick.) So, for NY, it’s something like 2 firsts, Kravstov, Kakko and Miller. 

Eichel is a legitimate injury concern. You’d be trading everything you put into this rebuild for one guy who might legitimately play 40 games a year and retire early. It’s a massive risk.

I saw the fit before the year, but I see it less now.

Just now, aylbert said:

Verified sources only please.   We all know this rumor was made up.

I can verify. He did a really good job this week. 

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31 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

I still think the Rangers have largely been quiet as they are angling to make a move on Eichel.  I think that will be their big splash this year.

And hopefully they pay through the nose if they do. No bullsh!t like Philip Chytil and a 1st rounder. They better PAY. For once.

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1 minute ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

I hope to God the Rangers sell the farm to land Eichel. Dolan couldn't resist putting his greasy mitts on their rebuild, let's hope it's one risky move too many. 

thats what im hoping. That they trade for him and send WAY too much, kill their depth/prospects pool and that Eichel sh!t the bed

That being said, a Panarin - Eichel line is fvcking scary

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Took a look at the Rangers. Because fvck em. But next season is about to get...................... hairy. I'll make AAV guesses next to their names

Their projected cap space: $34 million.

The people they will need to re-sign:

  1. UFA Mika Zibanejad (their best player and expected team captain) $8.5
  2. UFA Ryan Strome (their current 1C) $5.0
  3. UFA Ryan Reaves (maybe they let him walk) let walk
  4. RFA Vitaly Kravstov (their projected goal scoring winger of the future) $3.5
  5. RFA Kaapo Kaako (their projected first line winger) $5.5
  6. RFA Adam Fox (the Norris winner defenseman) $10.5
  7. RFA Alexander Giorgiev (their 1B goalie) $4.0
  8. RFA Igor Shesterkin (their goalie of the future) $5.0

I assumed bridge contracts for all RFAs to keep their numbers low/reasonable-ish. Quick guess puts them, what, $8m over the flat salary cap? Some of these numbers might be high, I'd bet some take a "bright lights brah" discount, and some might be low (especially if Kaako or Kravstov break out). But the Rangers are about to have a legitimate cap issue because of the closeness in age all of their young players are, and because they're paying a winger $12m and a 2nd pairing defenseman $8m for the foreseeable future. Plus that hideously bad Kreider contract.

The immediate following year, they owe big contracts to Lafreniere (if he doesn't bust), Chytil (again), and K'Andre Miller.

TLDR: The Rangers will not be in play for Tarasenko, even at 50% retained, period. 

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Went ahead and looked at the Devils, too, because why not. Here are a list of players the Devils will need to re-sign next year (I'm adding Kuok and Sharangovich to the list, but that has to happen this season). They'll have $44.5m in cap room (to get to the ceiling) and need to re-sign:

  1. Miles Wood $4m
  2. Jesper Bratt $5m
  3. Jesper Boqvist $3m
  4. Jack Hughes $8m (I see a breakout coming)
  5. Janne Kuokkonen $3m
  6. Yegor Sharangovich $3.5m
  7. PK Subban (Walk)

In summary: anyone worried about Tarasenko's contract or Hamilton's contract is uninformed. That puts us $27m below the cap ceiling next year, AKA $7m below the goddamned floor! 

Also a pre-emptive response; I know I'm off on some of these contracts. It was just a little mini thought exercise.

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33 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

And hopefully they pay through the nose if they do. No bullsh!t like Philip Chytil and a 1st rounder. They better PAY. For once.

From what was reported when JD and Gorton were fired was that Dolan felt that the team was much closer to being in a win-now mode than JD and Gorton felt.  The Rangers are pretty thin at center and they don't want to waste any more of Panarin's good years left.  I could def see a directive where Dolan is alright with parting with either Laf or Kakko to obtain Eichel.  I don't think the price will be that high due to the Rangers justifiably having concerns about Eichel's health.

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7 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

From what was reported when JD and Gorton were fired was that Dolan felt that the team was much closer to being in a win-now mode than JD and Gorton felt.  The Rangers are pretty thin at center and they don't want to waste any more of Panarin's good years left.  I could def see a directive where Dolan is alright with parting with either Laf or Kakko to obtain Eichel.  I don't think the price will be that high due to the Rangers justifiably having concerns about Eichel's health.

Yea, I can't see Buffalo sticking to 4 1st's in value...  if they are getting a 1OA or 2OA back in the deal.

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48 minutes ago, MB3 said:

I can verify. He did a really good job this week. 

 

29 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Boom. 

So a few questions...   none of which I'll bring up now.   lol

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30 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Went ahead and looked at the Devils, too, because why not. Here are a list of players the Devils will need to re-sign next year (I'm adding Kuok and Sharangovich to the list, but that has to happen this season). They'll have $44.5m in cap room (to get to the ceiling) and need to re-sign:

  1. Miles Wood $4m
  2. Jesper Bratt $5m
  3. Jesper Boqvist $3m
  4. Jack Hughes $8m (I see a breakout coming)
  5. Janne Kuokkonen $3m
  6. Yegor Sharangovich $3.5m
  7. PK Subban (Walk)

In summary: anyone worried about Tarasenko's contract or Hamilton's contract is uninformed. That puts us $27m below the cap ceiling next year, AKA $7m below the goddamned floor! 

Also a pre-emptive response; I know I'm off on some of these contracts. It was just a little mini thought exercise.

its the next wave that might get tricky with Luke Hughes coming out of his ELC and Kuokkanen and Sharangovich potentially coming out of their bridge contract. And if Mercer is as good as we believe etc

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