mfitz804 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, EdgeControl said: What would laine want in terms of years? Hell, 3 or 4 years id give him 9 or 10+, 7 or more im not buying that high. He’s 23, he’s getting a 7 year deal from someone, if he wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Devilsfan118 said: This has probably been beat to death already but if we get to 4th overall and Luke is off the board - do you call Columbus and see whether that gets you one of Jones or Laine? Obviously wouldn't have much of a chance to negotiate a potential extension.. It isn't like this draft should be Luke or bust for NJ. There's reason to believe the other options are promising as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, mfitz804 said: A million dollars a year would make or break that deal for you? That’s nuts. The answer is obviously “not without an extension” and I can’t see it all coming together fast enough for that to be feasible. I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere. 7/8/9, my number is somewhere in there. Closer to 7 than 9 for sure for a one dimensional player, albeit a really good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said: It isn't like this draft should be Luke or bust for NJ. There's reason to believe the other options are promising as well. True, but any player we pick this year is probably at least two or three years out still from sniffing the big leagues right? We keep talking about our window to compete here, and by the time this pick makes the team you've got Jack, Nico, Smith off their ELCs and other talent on their bridge deals. Just saying, a trade for a proven NHLer might make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said: True, but any player we pick this year is probably at least two or three years out still from sniffing the big leagues right? We keep talking about our window to compete here, and by the time this pick makes the team you've got Jack, Nico, Smith off their ELCs and other talent on their bridge deals. Just saying, a trade for a proven NHLer might make sense. Given that the Hall, Subban, Palmieri senior core didn’t work out, I don’t think it matters for our window that Jack, Nico etc will be getting paid. If we get to where we want to be, they’ll become the senior core. It will be important to win while we have the second wave of Holtz, Mercer and our 4th overall making minimum wage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said: True, but any player we pick this year is probably at least two or three years out still from sniffing the big leagues right? We keep talking about our window to compete here, and by the time this pick makes the team you've got Jack, Nico, Smith off their ELCs and other talent on their bridge deals. Just saying, a trade for a proven NHLer might make sense. They're in their early 20s, not pushing 30. Whoever he is, if he takes a couple years, Nico will be 24, Jack will be 22, and the pick will be around 20. The timeline still aligns with the window to compete...we don't have Patrick Kane or some other veteran we need to push the timeline up for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, vadvlfan said: IMO Hughes/Nice are going no where. Fitz is seen in the locker room (talking to Amanda Stein) with #13 & #86 jerseys right behind him? The idea that the Devils would trade foundation players in their early 20s for anyone just mystifies me. When has any team done something like that? The Bruins! And every deal pretty much sucked for them. We're going to build a team by trading Nico Hischier for Jack Eichel? That doesn't make any sense to me. Hischier was named captain last year. That should tell you what management thinks about him. I'm possibly on board for trading for Patrik Laine, but the Devils don't have to trade Nico Hischier to get him, nor should they. Nico may ultimately fail, but it is way too early to pull the plug. Edited June 13, 2021 by Jerrydevil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) I repeated the post, apologies. Edited June 13, 2021 by Jerrydevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I for one am really unsure about Laine’s current trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I for one am really unsure about Laine’s current trade value. Yeah, I really don't know either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said: Yeah, I really don't know either. He didn’t exactly dominate this past year, I’m sure he’s hoping it’s just a blip and it’s back to normal next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said: It isn't like this draft should be Luke or bust for NJ. There's reason to believe the other options are promising as well. Agreed. If Hughes is gone Clarke is probably still there. In fact, I kind of think it’s likely to be 1) Power, 2) Beniers, 3) Hughes. Laine would be nice, but this is the draft to come away with a top blue chip prospect for the blue line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 If Laine wants to play hockey, cool, I’d take him. Problem is he doesn’t give a rats ass about playing consistently or playing for a particular team. Dude barely cares about his own name. I’m over the real reclamation projects. Hell that’s what a lot of us were fed up with Lou for in his final days. Why is it suddenly okay cause the guy has potential to be great but really couldn’t care less about trying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Jerrydevil said: I'm possibly on board for trading for Patrik Laine, but the Devils don't have to trade Nico Hischier to get him, nor should they. Nico may ultimately fail, but it is way too early to pull the plug. Laine is a RFA on Columbus. Blow them out of the water with an offer. Screw giving up our centers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 10 hours ago, jagknife said: If Laine wants to play hockey, cool, I’d take him. Problem is he doesn’t give a rats ass about playing consistently or playing for a particular team. Dude barely cares about his own name. I’m over the real reclamation projects. Hell that’s what a lot of us were fed up with Lou for in his final days. Why is it suddenly okay cause the guy has potential to be great but really couldn’t care less about trying? Lou was bringing in 38 year Olds, Laine is young and has out scored everyone on our team by 50% except for last year. he scores 30 Uninterested goals in his sleep.. But im not trading for him im buying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 12 hours ago, jagknife said: I’m over the real reclamation projects. Hell that’s what a lot of us were fed up with Lou for in his final days. Why is it suddenly okay cause the guy has potential to be great but really couldn’t care less about trying? If what you say is true, then I would rather not have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 hours ago, EdgeControl said: Lou was bringing in 38 year Olds, Laine is young and has out scored everyone on our team by 50% except for last year. he scores 30 Uninterested goals in his sleep.. But im not trading for him im buying You are trading though. Compensation to get Laine would be either our 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2022 or 2 firsts (2022 and 2023), a 2nd and a 3rd depending on the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Here is the table for offer sheets. I can't imagine Kekalainen doesn't match anything in the top or middle tiers here after just trading away Dubois for him. You would have to go $11m and I personally do not think Laine is worth that much cap % and 4 first rounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: You are trading though. Compensation to get Laine would be either our 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2022 or 2 firsts (2022 and 2023), a 2nd and a 3rd depending on the contract. My bad , thats ridiculous compensation . I thought it was next years 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 On 6/12/2021 at 12:35 PM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Hasn’t really done it since his first two seasons. Last season was a tough season for him, but the 19-20 season he would have lead the Devils in goals and assists if he were on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 15 hours ago, jagknife said: If Laine wants to play hockey, cool, I’d take him. Problem is he doesn’t give a rats ass about playing consistently or playing for a particular team. Dude barely cares about his own name. I’m over the real reclamation projects. Hell that’s what a lot of us were fed up with Lou for in his final days. Why is it suddenly okay cause the guy has potential to be great but really couldn’t care less about trying? And I am over keeping less talented players because they are "nice guys" and "team players." This team is starving for goal scorers and Laine fits the bill nicely. I am not going to say to acquiring him because he lacks some Zajac-esque qualities to his game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 hours ago, EdgeControl said: Lou was bringing in 38 year Olds, Laine is young and has out scored everyone on our team by 50% except for last year. he scores 30 Uninterested goals in his sleep.. But im not trading for him im buying Bingo. I remember when we traded for Mogilny he had the "lazy Russian" wrap on him. I didn't see too many people complain when he scored 43 goals the following season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Crisis said: Here is the table for offer sheets. I can't imagine Kekalainen doesn't match anything in the top or middle tiers here after just trading away Dubois for him. You would have to go $11m and I personally do not think Laine is worth that much cap % and 4 first rounders. Let's say the Devils offer sheet him for $7-8M a season. If Laine absolutely doesn't want to play in Columbus, do you think they would get any better offer than a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for him via trade? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: Let's say the Devils offer sheet him for $7-8M a season. If Laine absolutely doesn't want to play in Columbus, do you think they would get any better offer than a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for him via trade? I doubt it. No, in fact I’m not entirely sure that coming off a down year he should even get that kind of return. You have to be banking on last year being the outlier as opposed to a new norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: And I am over keeping less talented players because they are "nice guys" and "team players." This team is starving for goal scorers and Laine fits the bill nicely. I am not going to say to acquiring him because he lacks some Zajac-esque qualities to his game. I’m not saying keep any of our guys outside of Hughes or Nico, but we (collectively) bitch about effort and people not giving a sh!t. Laine has literally worn out his welcome, twice, and frankly I wouldn’t put him on the same plateau as Mogilny, at all. I may be dilusional, but if I’m giving up “good” assets for a solid player, I’d rather go for someone who doesn’t have a history of not caring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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