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16 hours ago, Crisis said:

That isn't the point.  There is no way that CBJ doesn't match that.  Their GM (also a Finn FWIW) just traded the guy they picked after Laine for him.  Jarmo was on 31 Thoughts saying that they were targeting Laine but couldn't get him so they went with Dubois.  So that tells me that you're going to have to offer sheet him at the $11m tier. 

But to play along with your scenario, I would not be unhappy with giving that up for him.  But do you really want to give that up to force a player onto your team that refused to play in two other whatever markets?  How do you know that he doesn't pull the same sh!t here? 

Why would the Blue Jackets match an offer for a player who doesn't want to be there, has little to no intention to be there, and pass on that sort of compensation when he will likely get less in any trade CBJ make for him?

NJ is not a sexy destination, but I am pretty sure out of the 30 other NHL franchises that Columbus and Winnipeg are 2 of maybe 4-5 locations that are less sexy than NJ.  If he pulls the same sh!t here, he would be at least under contract and we could trade him rather than the position he is in now where he is a RFA and can hold out or get offer-sheeted.

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13 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Why would the Blue Jackets match an offer for a player who doesn't want to be there, has little to no intention to be there, and pass on that sort of compensation when he will likely get less in any trade CBJ make for him?

NJ is not a sexy destination, but I am pretty sure out of the 30 other NHL franchises that Columbus and Winnipeg are 2 of maybe 4-5 locations that are less sexy than NJ.  If he pulls the same sh!t here, he would be at least under contract and we could trade him rather than the position he is in now where he is a RFA and can hold out or get offer-sheeted.

Because maybe Columbus feels the same exact way you do where they don't want draft picks, they want roster players.  So they match and trade him for not lottery tickets. 

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5 minutes ago, Crisis said:

Because maybe Columbus feels the same exact way you do where they don't want draft picks, they want roster players.  So they match and trade him for not lottery tickets. 

A team that has a player who has/is being public about his desire to not be there is already behind the 8-ball.  They have to manage their expectations regarding what the return could be, especially one that is a RFA and can sit-out for an indefinite amount of time.

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14 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

A team that has a player who has/is being public about his desire to not be there is already behind the 8-ball.  They have to manage their expectations regarding what the return could be, especially one that is a RFA and can sit-out for an indefinite amount of time.

It literally just happened to Winnipeg and they got a top line center in Dubois,

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15 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Another move of a team that has rich owners but treat themselves as a poverty franchise.

 I really don't get it. Another thing that left a bad taste in my mouth was interviewing opposing players during the 1st intermission.  I don't really give a fvck what TJ Oshie has to say as the Caps stomp us. 

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5 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

 I really don't get it. Another thing that left a bad taste in my mouth was interviewing opposing players during the 1st intermission.  I don't really give a fvck what TJ Oshie has to say as the Caps stomp us. 

100%. I would rather see another disinterested Huges interview or Sharangovich understanding 1/4 of what is being said. Leave interviewing both teams to the national broadcasts. 

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18 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Another move of a team that has rich owners but treat themselves as a poverty franchise.

I still think don’t see the Devils as treating themselves as a “poverty franchise”, but I’ll give you that in the near-future, if homegrown talent that is due raises (that they’ve earned and make sense to give out) and there’s unnecessary penny-pinching despite having lots o’ cap space (that leads to “quantity at the expense of quality trades), you will definitely have a point.

Basically, if Fitz and/or others aren’t bullish on spending big in UFA, fine.  But if you have to spend on your young homegrowns and they deserve it, you better pony up. 

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4 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I still think don’t see the Devils as treating themselves as a “poverty franchise”, but I’ll give you that in the near-future, if homegrown talent that is due raises (that they’ve earned and make sense to give out) and there’s unnecessary penny-pinching despite having lots o’ cap space (that leads to “quantity at the expense of quality trades), you will definitely have a point.

Basically, if Fitz and/or others aren’t bullish on spending big in UFA, fine.  But if you have to spend on your young homegrowns and they deserve it, you better pony up. 

I think they showed they will by giving Nico $7m.  He hasn't exactly blown the league away.  Not hating on him either.

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10 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

 I really don't get it. Another thing that left a bad taste in my mouth was interviewing opposing players during the 1st intermission.  I don't really give a fvck what TJ Oshie has to say as the Caps stomp us. 

It's been done in the past too but was more rare but I believe that was done more this year because of the home team being the only ones to be broadcasting from the arena. Its why we heard other team's announcers even interviewing some of our guys in between periods during road games. 

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28 minutes ago, Crisis said:

I think they showed they will by giving Nico $7m.  He hasn't exactly blown the league away.  Not hating on him either.

No I'm with you, like I said, I don't think the Devils have been cheap by design...I think Shero was gearing up towards having payroll flexibility when he would really need it, but his day never came.  Then Fitz inherited a team where trying to spend big in UFA wouldn't make much sense initially.

That being said, they had so much money to spend under the cap at the time that re-signing Nico was a no-brainer, though they were willing to commit to a lot of years.  What will be interesting to see is how far do they go for Hughes (if his numbers take a quantum leap forward).  And Smith in a couple of years.  What they've really done now is set themselves up to "weaponize cap space" on their own guys.  I do believe that they will spend on the homegrowns as needed, but I'm more saying that if fans like DM84 who think ownership is cheap aren't spending then, then they'll have a very fair point.  We're still a couple of seasons away from knowing that though.  

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17 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

 I really don't get it. Another thing that left a bad taste in my mouth was interviewing opposing players during the 1st intermission.  I don't really give a fvck what TJ Oshie has to say as the Caps stomp us. 

i personally enjoy it. I mean there's "hockey fans" and there's people who just care about their team and their players. Which is both fine but i personally love to hear more from other teams, that's how you learn more about hockey in general and not just about your own team. Which is a pretty narrow view IMO

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5 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

i personally enjoy it. I mean there's "hockey fans" and there's people who just care about their team and their players. Which is both fine but i personally love to hear more from other teams, that's how you learn more about hockey in general and not just about your own team. Which is a pretty narrow view IMO

If you're getting all your hockey info of opposing teams from a TV broadcast, you're probably a moron

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24 minutes ago, Crisis said:

I think they showed they will by giving Nico $7m.  He hasn't exactly blown the league away.  Not hating on him either.

This is a really good point that should not be overlooked. Nico was paid based on his potential. He has not "earned" a $7m AAV contract yet. 

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17 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

i personally enjoy it. I mean there's "hockey fans" and there's people who just care about their team and their players. Which is both fine but i personally love to hear more from other teams, that's how you learn more about hockey in general and not just about your own team. Which is a pretty narrow view IMO

I have never learned anything about hockey from interviews during a game. They are basically all the same, either "we had a good period, we have to keep it going next period" or "we had some chances and we didn't connect, we have to play harder next period and hopefully get a couple and go from there".

That's the 10% of teh time that I actually watch those interviews, most of the time I am on a DVR delay and I just skip them because they are so pointless. 

What have you learned about "hockey in general" from an opposing player being interviewed during our broadcast?

 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I have never learned anything about hockey from interviews during a game. They are basically all the same, either "we had a good period, we have to keep it going next period" or "we had some chances and we didn't connect, we have to play harder next period and hopefully get a couple and go from there".

That's the 10% of teh time that I actually watch those interviews, most of the time I am on a DVR delay and I just skip them because they are so pointless. 

What have you learned about "hockey in general" from an opposing player being interviewed during our broadcast?

 

That they exist

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6 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I have never learned anything about hockey from interviews during a game. They are basically all the same, either "we had a good period, we have to keep it going next period" or "we had some chances and we didn't connect, we have to play harder next period and hopefully get a couple and go from there".

That's the 10% of teh time that I actually watch those interviews, most of the time I am on a DVR delay and I just skip them because they are so pointless. 

What have you learned about "hockey in general" from an opposing player being interviewed during our broadcast?

 

"we have to play our game" 

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10 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I have never learned anything about hockey from interviews during a game. They are basically all the same, either "we had a good period, we have to keep it going next period" or "we had some chances and we didn't connect, we have to play harder next period and hopefully get a couple and go from there".

That's the 10% of teh time that I actually watch those interviews, most of the time I am on a DVR delay and I just skip them because they are so pointless. 

What have you learned about "hockey in general" from an opposing player being interviewed during our broadcast?

 

Learned a few things here and there. Fair to point out that i didn't learn much about my own team in them either. I still like when there's an effort to show the bigger picture and not a channel creating yet another echo chamber. There's a reason most habs fans are this clueless about anything else in the league. On their network it's Habs 24/7 and they don't know sh!t about anything else and just buy wtv narrative they are shoved down their throats.

I also like when our broadcasters talk about the other teams before the game and between periods. You obviously want more of your team cause that's why you're watching but i still appreciate a good balance

I'm sure you can make some parallel with MSG mostly pushing Rangers content vs the rest of the league

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27 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I have never learned anything about hockey from interviews during a game. They are basically all the same, either "we had a good period, we have to keep it going next period" or "we had some chances and we didn't connect, we have to play harder next period and hopefully get a couple and go from there".

That's the 10% of teh time that I actually watch those interviews, most of the time I am on a DVR delay and I just skip them because they are so pointless. 

What have you learned about "hockey in general" from an opposing player being interviewed during our broadcast?

Largely agree with this take.  Most players aren't exactly wordsmiths full of holy nuggets, especially during a rushed intermission interview...you are 100% correct, most of their quotes are pretty similar.  You really don't get THAT much from in-game interviews.  When you're a kid and the players are still larger than life, those interviews mean more to you for sure, but as I get older (and have the luxury of recording games and then skipping past commericals and intermissions) and have less luxury time, I find myself blowing past that stuff...not all of the time, but more often than not for sure.  I'd say most of the time, as far as postgame shows/interviews/snippets go, I'm tuning in to know if a rumored trade is soon to go down, and most importantly (in my eyes), if a player who appears to suffer injury during a game is going to miss a lot of time.  Sometimes if a guy like Blackwood has an insane game, I'll check out the postgame just to hear what he has to say about it.    

Most of what I've learned about other teams and their players has been through print media, the internet, occasional highlights, and simply by watching...not going to pretend that I spend loads of time watching other teams' games though.  Simply don't have that kind of free time.

49 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

i personally enjoy it. I mean there's "hockey fans" and there's people who just care about their team and their players. Which is both fine but i personally love to hear more from other teams, that's how you learn more about hockey in general and not just about your own team. Which is a pretty narrow view IMO

To each their own.  I don't think wanting to hear from only your own players during your team's home broadcast correlates to having a narrow view on the whole thing.  I'm sure some like hearing from other teams, some don't.  I know, you said "both fine", but then comes the comment about "a pretty narrow view".

Me personally, I'm kinda indifferent to other team's players being interviewed by the Devils, but I can't say hearing from another team's player who just beat up on MY team fills me up with excitement, re:  the potential to "learn something more".  If there's an exception, I guess it's hearing from a player who used to play for the Devils recently, and is now playing for an opponent.  

Not knocking your view or people who share it...just not my thing...I'd just rather hear from my players (and coaches) during the local broadcast.  I'd say I care about the Devils first and foremost (duh, that's true of everyone here of course).  Then the rivals...what are the Rangers up to?  The Flyers?  Other teams in the Metro?  Then it's kinda everyone else...with added interest in players and/or teams having a surprising good or bad year, possible trade targets, etc.    

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11 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Largely agree with this take.  Most players aren't exactly wordsmiths full of holy nuggets, especially during a rushed intermission interview...you are 100% correct, most of their quotes are pretty similar.  You really don't get THAT much from in-game interviews.  When you're a kid and the players are still larger than life, those interviews mean more to you for sure, but as I get older (and have the luxury of recording games and then skipping past commericals and intermissions) and have less luxury time, I find myself blowing past that stuff...not all of the time, but more often than not for sure.  I'd say most of the time, as far as postgame shows/interviews/snippets go, I'm tuning in to know if a rumored trade is soon to go down, and most importantly (in my eyes), if a player who appears to suffer injury during a game is going to miss a lot of time.  Sometimes if a guy like Blackwood has an insane game, I'll check out the postgame just to hear what he has to say about it.    

Most of what I've learned about other teams and their players has been through print media, the internet, occasional highlights, and simply by watching...not going to pretend that I spend loads of time watching other teams' games though.  Simply don't have that kind of free time.

To each their own.  I don't think wanting to hear from only your own players during your team's home broadcast correlates to having a narrow view on the whole thing.  I'm sure some like hearing from other teams, some don't.  I know, you said "both fine", but then comes the comment about "a pretty narrow view".

Me personally, I'm kinda indifferent to other team's players being interviewed by the Devils, but I can't say hearing from another team's player who just beat up on MY team fills me up with excitement, re:  the potential to "learn something more".  If there's an exception, I guess it's hearing from a player who used to play for the Devils recently, and is now playing for an opponent.  

Not knocking your view or people who share it...just not my thing...I'd just rather hear from my players (and coaches) during the local broadcast.  I'd say I care about the Devils first and foremost (duh, that's true of everyone here of course).  Then the rivals...what are the Rangers up to?  The Flyers?  Other teams in the Metro?  Then it's kinda everyone else...with added interest in players and/or teams having a surprising good or bad year, possible trade targets, etc.    

 
Mmmmm Not sure what's the problem you have with the term i used. What i described is technically and literally the definition of a narrower view. So not sure why anyone would have a problem with it if its they own choice to do so? I'm basically just watching hockey now. I dont watch and follow baseball, football, tennis, soccer, name it... i literally have a narrow view of the world of sports. And again, not sure how i could spin that in a way to be offended by that lol its just a fact
 
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Narrow means less wide or to make less wide. When you narrow down your choices, you decrease the number of choices. A road might be too narrow for a car. When used to describe something physical such as a street or hips, narrow simply means not wide.

 

 
 
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I don't give a fvck what the other teams are up to unless its losing to the Devils. But even still, those player interviews are not full of information, and in most instances, are repetitive from game to game. Stuff like the direction of the team, moves they may make/trade targets, etc., that NEVER comes from those interviews. Its more "Hey, you had a great period, how are you going to keep that going" or "you sucked, how are you going to turn that around", with the answer to either question generally being the same "we have to work hard, get opportunities" stuff. 

I'm not saying I don't throw the NHL Network on every once in a while to see what's going on around the league, but I check into our broadcasts for Devils content. That is the time I want 100% Devils, especially because you don't really get Devils content anywhere else, since the local media largely ignores that they (and, at times, hockey in general) exist. 

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2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:
 
Not sure what's the problem you have with the term i used. What i described is technically and literally the definition of a narrower view.
 

In fairness, he said both were fine and that its a narrow view in his opinion. Like they say, opinions are like a-holes, everyone has them and yours stinks lol. 

However, in this instance, I happen to agree its a narrow view, and that's exactly what I want out of a Devils broadcast...I want a narrow view about what's going on with the Devils. Its our broadcast, it should be about us. If I want "around teh league" news, there's places to get that. 

 

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9 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:
 
Not sure what's the problem you have with the term i used. What i described is technically and literally the definition of a narrower view.
 

I know what narrow means...but it does sound like you're slightly knocking those who don't want to hear from other team's players during their home team broadcast as somehow being close-minded or just not open enough.  Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but why even bring up narrow at all?  When it comes to mentioning people having a "narrow view", you know it's never really done in a positive light.

I saw you edited a post and I agree that I don't mind hearing ABOUT the other team at times...especially if it's a team I'm not all that familiar with.  I just don't necessarily want to hear FROM them.    

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