The 2021 Offseason Thread

[Lateralous]

2 hours ago, Rob_Ottawa said:

No to Landeskog at ten million. He's a great player but we aren't at a point in team building when we need that 

Agreed.   I don’t think now is the time to spend on a big money winger.   Go all in for a 1d but not a winger.   That can be added later if needed.

Also, Landeskog has a career high of 75 points playing on the best line in hockey.  I’m not spending 10 million per season on the Peter Sykora of the A line.  For that money I want Elias.

IMO he would inevitably be a mid 60 point player once he’s moved away from Mac and  Rantanen.  How do negotiations go with Hughes and Zacha next summer if we see something like Hughes with 75 points, Zacha with 66 and Landy with 63 this season?   
 

 

[mfitz804]

15 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

Agreed.   I don’t think now is the time to spend on a big money winger.   Go all in for a 1d but not a winger.   That can be added later if needed.

Also, Landeskog has a career high of 75 points playing on the best line in hockey.  I’m not spending 10 million per season on the Peter Sykora of the A line.  For that money I want Elias.

IMO he would inevitably be a mid 60 point player once he’s moved away from Mac and  Rantanen.  How do negotiations go with Hughes and Zacha next summer if we see something like Hughes with 75 points, Zacha with 66 and Landy with 63 this season?   

Hughes at 75 sounds nice…that sounds like a good number to base a bet around…

[Lateralous]

16 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Points aren’t everything. Hockey isn’t baseball and players aren’t only evaluated on their point production. He’s an elite defensive forward who allows MacKinnon to be much more creative and take many more risks offensively, something we’d love to see out of Jack. He can play the PK, something we need desperately. He brings leadership, toughness and grit to a team that lacks leadership, toughness, and grit. The only asset he costs is money, and that is an asset we have in abundance. 

If Pavel Zacha outproduces Gabriel fvcking Landeskog next season I think a whole hell of a lot went right (or very wrong.) But playing this game with silly hypotheticals isn’t even worth discussing.

Okay, let’s simplify.   I don’t want to pay a dude whose own team started negotiations at a number that begins with a 5 and go and pay him 10.  

Edited July 17, 2021 by Lateralous

[Lateralous]

5 minutes ago, MB3 said:

ten was always a ridiculous offer, but worth 7/56 on an open market and I hope the Devils are the ones to give it to him.

 

I was listening to the Dangle podcast on my way to the shore tonight and they mentioned that Landeskog was genuinely offended by Sakic’s initial offer, so you may get your wish.  
 

Personally, I think he would be crazy to leave that situation if he can get 6.5 or better.   

[NJDevils1214]

1 hour ago, Lateralous said:

I was listening to the Dangle podcast on my way to the shore tonight and they mentioned that Landeskog was genuinely offended by Sakic’s initial offer, so you may get your wish.  
 

Personally, I think he would be crazy to leave that situation if he can get 6.5 or better.   

I don't see how a team in a better position to contend next year doesn't make it happen over NJ, but you never know. Money is king.

[mfitz804]

35 minutes ago, MB3 said:

this is his last big paycheck, and if it’s a total value difference i’d like $10 million dollars I don’t think “who has a chance to compete right now” is necessarily the number one thing on his list. 

Unless he signed a short term deal to try for a cup and then went for his big payday a year or two from now. 

Would be ill advised, IMO. 

Edited July 17, 2021 by mfitz804

[Devilsfan118]

So after listening to a few podcasts yesterday, I feel like Subban is the obvious take for Seattle if and when we leave him exposed.

A lot of this information was discussed on the Steve dangle podcast that they published yesterday, but essentially:

1) 6 of his 9 million owed this year has already been paid via signing bonus. Cheap way to get to the cap floor.

2) He's obviously very marketable.

3) He and the owner of the kraken have a personal relationship. The owner was actually a guest on PK's podcast.

 

I definitely think he's the guy they take, seems to make too much sense. And while I'm not as down on him as other devils fans seem to be, I don't think this would be the biggest loss in the world.

Edited July 17, 2021 by Devilsfan118

[pumpkin cutter]

hopefully the list gets leaked today.

[mfitz804]

11 minutes ago, Devilsfan118 said:

So after listening to a few podcasts yesterday, I feel like Subban is the obvious take for Seattle if and when we leave him exposed.

A lot of this information was discussed on the Steve dangle podcast that they published yesterday, but essentially:

1) 6 of his 9 million owed this year has already been paid via signing bonus. Cheap way to get to the cap floor.

2) He's obviously very marketable.

3) He and the owner of the kraken have a personal relationship. The owner was actually a guest on PK's podcast.

 

I definitely think he's the guy they take, seems to make too much sense. And while I'm not as down on him as other devil's fans seem to be, I don't think this would be the biggest loss in the world.

I think they would definitely take him, but I also feel like I would rather protect him and expose Siegenthaler, in hopes that they wouldn’t want him and they might take Johnsson. 

I think it’s reasonable to assume that last season was the aberration and that Johnsson comes back better this year. They may be willing to gamble on him, but not if PK is available. 

[MadDog2020]

The more I think about it, the more I’d rather keep PK- if for no other reason than to get a nice return for him at the deadline rather than giving him away for nothing.

Edited July 17, 2021 by MadDog2020

[mfitz804]

7 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

The more I think about it, the more I’d rather keep PK- if for no other reason than to get a nice return for him at the deadline rather than giving him away for nothing.

Yup, as I have also mentioned, stupid to give him away for free unless we needed to get out from under the contract, which we don’t. 

[Lateralous]

2 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

So after listening to a few podcasts yesterday, I feel like Subban is the obvious take for Seattle if and when we leave him exposed.

A lot of this information was discussed on the Steve dangle podcast that they published yesterday, but essentially:

1) 6 of his 9 million owed this year has already been paid via signing bonus. Cheap way to get to the cap floor.

2) He's obviously very marketable.

3) He and the owner of the kraken have a personal relationship. The owner was actually a guest on PK's podcast.

 

I definitely think he's the guy they take, seems to make too much sense. And while I'm not as down on him as other devils fans seem to be, I don't think this would be the biggest loss in the world.

I heard this too but I think they’re wrong. I mean I agree that Seattle might like him but If we already paid 2/3rds of his salary, What difference does it make if he’s on the team?   We don’t need the cap space.  

[NJDevils1214]

2 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

So after listening to a few podcasts yesterday, I feel like Subban is the obvious take for Seattle if and when we leave him exposed.

A lot of this information was discussed on the Steve dangle podcast that they published yesterday, but essentially:

1) 6 of his 9 million owed this year has already been paid via signing bonus. Cheap way to get to the cap floor.

2) He's obviously very marketable.

3) He and the owner of the kraken have a personal relationship. The owner was actually a guest on PK's podcast.

 

I definitely think he's the guy they take, seems to make too much sense. And while I'm not as down on him as other devils fans seem to be, I don't think this would be the biggest loss in the world.

If this happens NJ's total cap hit is somewhere near 40MM. How do they plan to reach the cap floor of 60.2MM?

[Devil Dan 56]

2 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

If this happens NJ's total cap hit is somewhere near 40MM. How do they plan to reach the cap floor of 60.2MM?

Yeah this is another good point. As much as people complain about Subban's 9 million hit, his actual pay is much lower and that hit is probably the only way the Devils hit the floor unless they actually land a few major free agents or make some big trades

Edited July 17, 2021 by Devil Dan 56

[NJDevils1214]

5 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Yeah this is another good point. As much as people complain about Subban's 9 million hit, his actual pay is much lower and that hit is probably the only way the Devils hit the floor is if they actually land a few major free agents or make some big trades

My guess is that they already have a handshake agreement with Murray to re-sign for some reasonable amount to help mitigate losing that 9MM but that is still a lot of money they have to throw at someone. I can't imagine Murray takes more than 4-5MM.

[Devilsfan118]

1 hour ago, NJDevils1214 said:

If this happens NJ's total cap hit is somewhere near 40MM. How do they plan to reach the cap floor of 60.2MM?

A great question, I guess the Devils could pick up one of the goalies from Vegas. That might help.

Besides that - back up the dump truck full of cash to Hamilton's house? Likewise with Landeskog if he gets there?

Even that might not be enough though.

Edited July 17, 2021 by Devilsfan118

[jagknife]

13 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Unless he signed a short term deal to try for a cup and then went for his big payday a year or two from now. 

Would be ill advised, IMO. 

See: Hall, Taylor

8 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

A great question, I guess the Devils could pick up one of the goalies from Vegas. That might help.

Besides that - back up the dump truck full of cash to Hamilton's house? Likewise with Landeskog if he gets there?

Even that might not be enough though.

Give me Fleury, not Lehner.

[mfitz804]

5 minutes ago, jagknife said:

See: Hall, Taylor

Ehhh he signed with Buffalo. He wasn’t exactly chasing a Cup. 

[jagknife]

Just now, mfitz804 said:

Ehhh he signed with Buffalo. He wasn’t exactly chasing a Cup. 

I meant more of the big payday. I also now think he went to Buffalo with the NMC to force his way to a contender, as he did with the Boston trade.

[mfitz804]

1 minute ago, jagknife said:

I meant more of the big payday. I also now think he went to Buffalo with the NMC to force his way to a contender, as he did with the Boston trade.

It was a smart move on his part. Take the money, prove you have something left, go to a contender. 

He skipped the middle step a bit but it seemed to still work out. Somewhat. 

[Devil Dan 56]

I guess Fitz has plans to spend some cash this off season

[mfitz804]

If we work from the assumption that we retain half, can’t imagine someone wouldn’t be interested at a $4.5m cap hit and only having to pay him like $1m. 

I guess it also clarifies why he was left unprotected, we’re ready to move on from him regardless of the return.

[Devil Dan 56]

7 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

If we work from the assumption that we retain half, can’t imagine someone wouldn’t be interested at a $4.5m cap hit and only having to pay him like $1m. 

I guess it also clarifies why he was left unprotected, we’re ready to move on from him regardless of the return.

It tells me Fitz is throwing cash at something this off season. Even half of that cap hit puts the Devils about 15 million below the floor with only a few RFAs to pay. 

[DevsMan84]

I have to say it is encouraging to see Fitz may actually be big game hunting rather than going after scraps.

[NJDevils1214]

1 hour ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

It tells me Fitz is throwing cash at something this off season. Even half of that cap hit puts the Devils about 15 million below the floor with only a few RFAs to pay. 

Idk what the draft is going to look like tomorrow as far as the format and all that, but I would imagine that either during or right after the event a ton of trades are going to go through/be made public. It should be exciting.