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19 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Don't hate. He is trying to keep his post count high so you can't catch him.

I don't hate, I thought it was hysterical. 

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2 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Is this over Bastian? I mean I get that he wasn't the best guy we could have lost to SEA but it isn't like he isn't like he would be hard to replace either.

I`m talk about losing three best... hm. three strongest prospects for bottom-6. I`m understand every trade in vacuum, i`m understand Bastian losing in draft - if Seattle wants him, may be Fitz cant do anything with it. But when your team soft, when you have problems on the right side and you trade Anderson - gritty player with good potential for bottom-six role, than you trade Maltsev - one on one hound, who is great in puck battles, and than losing Bastian - part of good bottom-six chemistry, player who is great forecheker. I dont like it. Its ruin our bottom building. Johnsson was a temporary player, Graves may be a temporary player(no matter how I like Maltsev, I think the trade was reasonable), and Bastian was lost. All this can be understood separately, but the whole picture is unpleasant for the team under construction. You can't waste assets on temporary players when your team is being built. Shero made reasonable steps, understandable trades, but in total it was the wrong tactic for a franchise being built from scratch.

I'm not saying that Fitz should be fired immediately. But if we are going to weigh decisions at some point, I am absolutely not happy with the negative trend of careless handling of assets. Last offseason, the Devils could have signed a forward from the market to a contract similar to Jonsson. And now we would have lost Bastian, but we would have had Anderson on the right wing.

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12 minutes ago, Guadana said:

I`m talk about losing three best... hm. three strongest prospects for bottom-6. I`m understand every trade in vacuum, i`m understand Bastian losing in draft - if Seattle wants him, may be Fitz cant do anything with it. But when your team soft, when you have problems on the right side and you trade Anderson - gritty player with good potential for bottom-six role, than you trade Maltsev - one on one hound, who is great in puck battles, and than losing Bastian - part of good bottom-six chemistry, player who is great forecheker. I dont like it. Its ruin our bottom building. Johnsson was a temporary player, Graves may be a temporary player(no matter how I like Maltsev, I think the trade was reasonable), and Bastian was lost. All this can be understood separately, but the whole picture is unpleasant for the team under construction. You can't waste assets on temporary players when your team is being built. Shero made reasonable steps, understandable trades, but in total it was the wrong tactic for a franchise being built from scratch.

I'm not saying that Fitz should be fired immediately. But if we are going to weigh decisions at some point, I am absolutely not happy with the negative trend of careless handling of assets. Last offseason, the Devils could have signed a forward from the market to a contract similar to Jonsson. And now we would have lost Bastian, but we would have had Anderson on the right wing.

Except most of those moves you didn't like are quite easily fixed cause replacacing these players through trades or free agency wouldn't cost much. There's a lot of those guys out there

When you're building a team from scratch basically you gotta build your core and main position first. Then you fill the rest of your roster with those players. Having too many of those but no core players is not much better, thats basically what we had not long ago

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39 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Except most of those moves you didn't like are quite easily fixed cause replacacing these players through trades or free agency wouldn't cost much. There's a lot of those guys out there

When you're building a team from scratch basically you gotta build your core and main position first. Then you fill the rest of your roster with those players. Having too many of those but no core players is not much better, thats basically what we had not long ago

Yeah bottom six guys are a dime a dozen. There are tons of Nate Bastian’s out there. I like the kid, and I’m disappointed he’s the one Seattle chose because I would’ve ideally liked to have kept him, but I’m not gonna pretend like we can’t find another Nate Bastian.

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5 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Yeah bottom six guys are a dime a dozen. There are tons of Nate Bastian’s out there. I like the kid, and I’m disappointed he’s the one Seattle chose because I would’ve ideally liked to have kept him, but I’m not gonna pretend like we can’t find another Nate Bastian.

Especially if we can sign Coleman. With Coleman it was making either Bastian or Johnson expandable on the right side to some extent already so. 

I'm just bummed cause McLeod and him were special together and were super buddies, to play together in the NHL was something.

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7 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Especially if we can sign Coleman. With Coleman it was making either Bastian or Johnson expandable on the right side to some extent already so. 

I'm just bummed cause McLeod and him were special together and were super buddies, to play together in the NHL was something.

That’s the only reason to be upset, which is more for them personally than for us. Guys like that are a dime a dozen and I’m not going to pretend we can’t find another guy like Bastian. 

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There's plenty of Kurtis Gabriel's and Bobby Farnham's available, those guys we have no issues finding and signing. We'll be just fine there. True plugs.

Better days ahead I'm sure.

 

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13 minutes ago, titans04 said:

There's plenty of Kurtis Gabriel's and Bobby Farnham's available, those guys we have no issues finding and signing. We'll be just fine there. True plugs.

Better days ahead I'm sure.

 

Yeah our real difficulty is finding the Gabriel Landeskogs and Dougie Hamiltons. However, we are the kings of finding the guys on the downhill

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1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

Except most of those moves you didn't like are quite easily fixed cause replacacing these players through trades or free agency wouldn't cost much. There's a lot of those guys out there

When you're building a team from scratch basically you gotta build your core and main position first. Then you fill the rest of your roster with those players. Having too many of those but no core players is not much better, thats basically what we had not long ago

I've heard a lot about it, but I haven't seen it. Good role players build money. It is cheaper to grow them yourself. And not to give it away for free. In exchange for temporary players, and not for future parts of the regular squad. Time after time all your really potential good role players for temporary players.

Easily replaceable parts are a false narrative that they tell you on Twitter, only for some reason some big teams lack these very good role players. Year after year. And those who have some are on the top. Good roleplayers are just as infrequent as good producers.

A. What I'm trying to do.

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3 minutes ago, Guadana said:

I've heard a lot about it, but I haven't seen it. Good role players build money. It is cheaper to grow them yourself. And not to give it away for free. In exchange for temporary players, and not for future parts of the regular squad. Time after time all your really potential good role players for temporary players.

Easily replaceable parts are a false narrative that they tell you on Twitter, only for some reason some big teams lack these very good role players.

A. What I'm trying to do.

Well i'm just not sure what you were expecting? We exposed Subban, johnsson and other guys. If we didn't expose Bastian it would have been McLeod, is that better?

Then we traded maltsev for Graves which is something we really needed to do.

IMO we covered our biggest need and kept our core players while trying to fix holes in our lineup with expandable parts. You gotta give to get. Not fun to see them go but again, i'm not really sure how to do it differently. 

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5 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Well i'm just not sure what you were expecting? We exposed Subban, johnsson and other guys. If we didn't expose Bastian it would have been McLeod, is that better?

Then we traded maltsev for Graves which is something we really needed to do.

IMO we covered our biggest need and kept our core players while trying to fix holes in our lineup with expandable parts. You gotta give to get. Not fun to see them go but again, i'm not really sure how to do it differently. 

You don`t understand a message. You're trying to take parts out of context. Reread it and understand the general meaning.

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4 minutes ago, Guadana said:

You don`t understand a message. You're trying to take parts out of context. Reread it and understand the general meaning.

I'm not sure what you think i don't understand. 

I understand you're upset losing a few RW, cause we're lacking players at that position. You're upset we lost some grit. You say it's cheaper to grow these type of role players from within through the draft.

This is all true. But understanding why we lost them is kind of important

You project that we lost those guys for temporary players. Graves an Johnsson are young guys. They both came here to fix a big problem we had, defense and scoring was a bigger need than grit at the moment. I don't think they came here just to patch a hole, both have potential and could be here for awhile. 

And again, it's harder to find a scorer than a player playing with grit. So we traded Anderson for Johnsson, that made sense technically. We can easily replace Anderson. Then we traded Maltsev for Graves, we're not even sure Maltsev was going to crack the lineup anytime soon. Graves WILL be in the lineup opening night and should be there for awhile if everything works.

Also what i for sure didn't understand is what you meant by "one on one hound" 

 

 

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I will not repeat myself, Sterio. If you don`t understand, you just dont understand. 
I just hope that we will be lucky, and many of the players will be able to reach the NHL level. In this situation, we must rely on luck.

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Easy replacable 4th liner on a cheap contract and  first season of young homegrown role player

Ofcourse, блять, very easy to find.

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3 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Guadana- I get it bud. I didn’t want to lose Bastian either. But what was the alternative? Lose McLeod? There were no good options lol

Yeah that's my point. Not sure why he's so stiff about this. If we expose McLeod it's not any better, we had to expose one of the 2.

Then we traded Anderson for Johnsson. Anderson may never really make an impact in the NHL while Johnsson was already doing pretty good, plus we needed scoring more than energy guys. So that one may not work out in the end, but we can easily understand the move.

Maltsev had good hands and all and played the right side but again, we don't know if he was going to be an NHL or just one of those fringe player we had so many of already through the years. And we got Graves for him. It's a no brainer.

 

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1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

Guadana- I get it bud. I didn’t want to lose Bastian either. But what was the alternative? Lose McLeod? There were no good options lol

That wasn`t about lose Mcleod or Janne. I`m not excited about losing Bastian but i`m ok with it, because this is what is goin on on expenasion draft. It`s about trade Anderson for temporary, than trade Maltsev for temporary. than losing Bastian for nothing. All together. Fitz knows that he will lose Bastian for nothing. He must try to make a deal with Faaken-Kraken or trade Boqvist instead of Maltsev. If Fitz can`t find a deal with Faaken-Kraken - don`t trade Maltsev. If Avs wants only Maltsev - spend money on Murray or on the market. 
For me it is the same as losing UFA every year like Lou did. A negative trend that will negatively affect the development of the franchise. 

I don't see a critical difference between losing all the potential good roleplayers at once who are able to play in the NHL, all the potential homestand defensemen at once who are able to play in the NHL, or all the snipers at once who are able to play in the NHL. A good role player is also a rarity. And there are not many of them on the market, and they also have to pay more.

Once again, I understand that we had no other option under the circumstances and lose Bastian, but the trend\sequence of steps is negative.

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39 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Throwback to when people were saying Blake Coleman was just a role guy, was easily replicable, and we should trade him to the Flames for TJ Brodie.

Yap. I dont think Bastian will play exactly like Coleman, but I think Devils  should have been more careful about good young role-players.

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34 minutes ago, Guadana said:

Yap. I dont think Bastian will play exactly like Coleman, but I think Devils  should have been more careful about good young role-players.

Cmon.  I don't like Johnsson based on what I've seen of him to date, but he was an NHLer who was available for a guy who played all of one game last season...and there was just enough there with Johnsson that I can understand why the Devils took a shot there.  And we have no idea WHAT kind of player Anderson is going to be.

Maltsev was dealt for a need.  Devils need defensemen...we all know it.

Re:  Bastian, I would've liked to have seen him stay, but it is what it is.  Who were you willing to expose in his place?

We also don't know if Anderson, Maltsev, and Bastian are "good young role-players" yet.  Coleman was far more accomplished than any of them when he was dealt...a reason why the Lightning were essentially willing to deal two first-round picks for him.  

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2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Cmon.  I don't like Johnsson based on what I've seen of him to date, but he was an NHLer who was available for a guy who played all of one game last season...and there was just enough there with Johnsson that I can understand why the Devils took a shot there.  And we have no idea WHAT kind of player Anderson is going to be.

Maltsev was dealt for a need.  Devils need defensemen...we all know it.

Re:  Bastian, I would've liked to have seen him stay, but it is what it is.  Who were you willing to expose in his place?

We also don't know if Anderson, Maltsev, and Bastian are "good young role-players" yet.  Coleman was far more accomplished than any of them when he was dealt...a reason why the Lightning were essentially willing to deal two first-round picks for him.  

Seriously? Is this a language problem or something? Separately - normal trades\moves. Together - a mistake of management and planning.

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