jagknife Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: there's 2 way to look at this. While it's certainly going against the spirit of the CBA in my opinion. It still deserves some credits. We've seen guys come back from injury and it took awhile for them to regain their level of play. Kuch came back and was on fire out of the gate, very very hard to do when you havent seen NHL action for months. Then making the playoffs missing a guy like Kucherov is also not easy. Shows how insanely deep that team is. Winning a cup without Stamkos playing, making the playoffs easily without their best forward out all season, etc etc easier said than done What bothers me about the entire thing besides the typical if we tried it we’d get fined/banned/suspended, is that he was 100% a month before the playoffs. No one was hiding him skating hard and being pretty much healthy, just not skating with the team. The league loves “the spirit of the rule” taglines when it suits them, but man how quickly it vanishes when it wants to. Tampa pulled a fantasy hockey move where you grab a guy off free agency, stash him on IR all year, even when healthy, and then activate him when it suits you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Funny you mention him, but Stamkos has been invisible both this and last playoffs, and yes I know he missed many games last year. Clearly not close to the same player he was before that gruesome leg injury. Well then even more credits to them if they can have a 8+ millions dude invisible in the playoffs and about to go back to back cups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 1 hour ago, jagknife said: What bothers me about the entire thing besides the typical if we tried it we’d get fined/banned/suspended, is that he was 100% a month before the playoffs. No one was hiding him skating hard and being pretty much healthy, just not skating with the team. The league loves “the spirit of the rule” taglines when it suits them, but man how quickly it vanishes when it wants to. Tampa pulled a fantasy hockey move where you grab a guy off free agency, stash him on IR all year, even when healthy, and then activate him when it suits you. I don’t follow these things closely enough, but why does everyone assume Kucherov sitting out was cap circumvention? Didn’t he have hip surgery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 He absolutely did have a legit surgery, but as Jag said they kept him out far longer than necessary for cap reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said: He absolutely did have a legit surgery, but as Jag said they kept him out far longer than necessary for cap reasons. When was the surgery? How would anyone know how long was too long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I don’t follow these things closely enough, but why does everyone assume Kucherov sitting out was cap circumvention? Didn’t he have hip surgery? he did have hip surgery (or whatever it was), but again he was nearly a full participant in practices well before the season ended (like weeks). Its one thing if he was just non-contact or even skating with the scratches, but I definitely saw and heard about him being essentially full-up ready. The only reason I'm so upset about it. He was healthy but they had their post season ticket all but punched, so they didn't need him and sat on it. At this point it is what it is and I'm sure this loophole won't be closed anytime soon, just annoying that talking heads act like there wasn't some gamesmanship being played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I don’t think there is any way to prove he was “ready”. That’s the issue. Honestly, it makes more sense to hold him out until the playoffs and give him more recovery time, since they were already playoff bound. I don’t know, I’m just not offended by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I don’t think there is any way to prove he was “ready”. That’s the issue. Honestly, it makes more sense to hold him out until the playoffs and give him more recovery time, since they were already playoff bound. I don’t know, I’m just not offended by this. I'm not offended either but that's probably also cause we stunk and it didn't affect us anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said: I'm not offended either but that's probably also cause we stunk and it didn't affect us anyway. If the situation was reversed, I hope we would do the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 1 hour ago, mfitz804 said: If the situation was reversed, I hope we would do the same. Pretty sure Lou already did stuff like this, didn't he? I seem recall someone being sent to Russia or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 It’s kind of common sense. Usually we are talking about holding a guy out because it’s pointless if he comes back and we’re there he have the extra time to recuperate. Same thing applies if you are already playoff bound, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Pretty sure Lou already did stuff like this, didn't he? I seem recall someone being sent to Russia or something Yeah well at some point we couldn't dress a full lineup for a game or games cause Lou fvcked something up and would have been over the cap if we brought back a player from LTIR. (telling the media not to worry about his cap but then we had to play down a man lol) I believe it was Elias. So yeah it goes both way. You they COULD bring Kuch back but they couldn't dress a full lineup Edited July 3, 2021 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) The real issue here is cap avoidance. No one argues with sitting Kucherov until the playoffs, the issue is that his salary should have counted against the cap, and then Tbay would be over. For instance, Montreal sat Carey Price for about a month for an 'injury' before the Playoffs, but his salary still counted against the cap, to the point that they couldn't even play Caufield because they were too close to the cap. Edited July 3, 2021 by Rob_Ottawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 The Stanley Cup could be won tonight and it's literally the least excited I've been about it in memory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Habs throwing a Hail Mary: https://www.si.com/hockey/news/canadiens-sit-kotkaniemi-add-romanov-ahead-of-game-4-against-lightning?fbclid=IwAR2tCi6cucVXxBWeivonmUi80PVVLGP9ROQbv0987cxIN3jfK-bGKhWdFn0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Habs throwing a Hail Mary: https://www.si.com/hockey/news/canadiens-sit-kotkaniemi-add-romanov-ahead-of-game-4-against-lightning?fbclid=IwAR2tCi6cucVXxBWeivonmUi80PVVLGP9ROQbv0987cxIN3jfK-bGKhWdFn0 omg many fans will be sh!tting bricks about sitting KK who was like the second coming of jesus to them. Now if they lose it's going to be 100% because of that in their mind lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 42 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Habs throwing a Hail Mary: https://www.si.com/hockey/news/canadiens-sit-kotkaniemi-add-romanov-ahead-of-game-4-against-lightning?fbclid=IwAR2tCi6cucVXxBWeivonmUi80PVVLGP9ROQbv0987cxIN3jfK-bGKhWdFn0 I'm sure this will really move the needle for Montreal 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 37 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: omg many fans will be sh!tting bricks about sitting KK who was like the second coming of jesus to them. Now if they lose it's going to be 100% because of that in their mind lol That is definitely a surprising move. Evans is drawing in in Kotkaniemi’s place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 4 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: The Stanley Cup could be won tonight and it's literally the least excited I've been about it in memory Same here. I’ve actually been switching over to baseball during the first few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 That's a shame. He is awful and I was happy he was playing. He got two to three fluke goals this playoffs so they were keeping him. The ot winner against Toronto was especially bullsh!t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Habs take their first lead of the series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 It was only a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Game 4 headed to OT. Tampa starts OT on the power play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Kucherov is going to win them the cup on the PP in OT. It’s going to be the nice bow atop of the controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 i love Weber but he slashed, crosschecked and played dirty the whole playoffs so if they lose on that high stick penalty well, thats karma But with their luck they'll score a OT shorthanded winner. They didn't get one of those gift goal in this series yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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