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  1. 1. Who do you want at #4?

    • Luke Hughes
    • Brandt Clarke
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1 hour ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

 

 

 

I mean, their dad straight up said Luke is better than Quinn was at that age. Could be just a case of him talking up his son that’s yet to be drafted, but there could also be some truth to it…

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2 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

I mean, their dad straight up said Luke is better than Quinn was at that age. Could be just a case of him talking up his son that’s yet to be drafted, but there could also be some truth to it…

I get that their dad has some hockey qualifications, but that’s not really the most reliable source of information regarding their talent.

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

I get that their dad has some hockey qualifications, but that’s not really the most reliable source of information regarding their talent.

come on man,  the car salesman told me the newest model that was being marketed was the best one yet and I couldn't find a better car anywhere are you insinuating he wasn't an unbiased source?

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1 minute ago, titans04 said:

come on man,  the car salesman told me the newest model that was being marketed was the best one yet and I couldn't find a better car anywhere are you insinuating he wasn't an unbiased source?

Exactly this. 

Also, everyone knows that parents have “a favorite”. I can’t trust his opinion as being unbiased when speaking about his own children. 

If you don’t think your parents have a favorite, then it’s probably because you’re the favorite. 

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want a fair and unbiased assessment of his skills, change his last name, otherwise it's going to be biased because Jack is here.  Rather unfortunate that it could possibly impact who they choose in the draft, they should certainly go after the best player available to plug the many gaps they have.  Being the brother of Jack shouldn't even be taken into consideration, when the team has so many holes.  They need to get the best one out there that's available, a Hughes or not.

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13 minutes ago, titans04 said:

want a fair and unbiased assessment of his skills, change his last name, otherwise it's going to be biased because Jack is here.  Rather unfortunate that it could possibly impact who they choose in the draft, they should certainly go after the best player available to plug the many gaps they have.  Being the brother of Jack shouldn't even be taken into consideration, when the team has so many holes.  They need to get the best one out there that's available, a Hughes or not.

Agreed. The concept that we should pick Luke because we should be worried about what Jack will do in free agency years down the road is troubling. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

I get that their dad has some hockey qualifications, but that’s not really the most reliable source of information regarding their talent.

Which I stated in my post…

but anyway it’s not an unreasonable opinion. As the above tweet points out. 

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Eklund, Clarke, and Hughes all happen to have ties to NJ but they're all projected as consensus high picks. I don't have any doubt whoever is picked at #4 is going to be picked because they're seen as BPA, not because of their name. I haven't seen anyone outside the Facebook/Twitter realm seriously arguing to take Hughes because of Jack, but even if that was the case it isn't like NJ would be reaching 15 picks too early to do it.

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Well, I didn’t really expect that we might get Owen Power, but for a few months now I had secretly hoped he fell into our lap.  That is over.  In this Article is the following bit:

Power added to his response, stating why he’d like to return to Ann Arbor this upcoming fall.

“I think it would be pretty special. Just actually going to class and not do it online,” he said. “Just being able to do stuff other than go to the rink and home, I think would be something that I would like to do.”

Now I am sure many of you will say this is an over reaction, and maybe it is, but I want my early first round picks to breathe hockey, eat hockey, piss hockey, LIVE hockey.  What I don’t want is a major asset saying things like, “boy, it’d be cool to do more things NOT related to hockey.”  This is a guy on the cusp of being a number one pick and making millions of dollars and he is chirping about how he wants more freedom to do other things before his career has actually started.  Bye.    I will add one thing: I know something about dedicating yourself for years to something.  I did my PhD work in history.  I lived in $10k a year for years while I worked toward my degree and I knew that there weren’t millions of dollars at the end of the tunnel when it all ended and I entered the workforce.  But I love history and wouldn’t change a thing…. and I would never have completed any of it if I needed to get away from my studies as early on as he is.  
okay, my rant is over.  I feel bad for whomever drafts this kid…. But I really hope it isn’t the devils.

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2 hours ago, AEWHistory said:

Well, I didn’t really expect that we might get Owen Power, but for a few months now I had secretly hoped he fell into our lap.  That is over.  In this Article is the following bit:

Power added to his response, stating why he’d like to return to Ann Arbor this upcoming fall.

“I think it would be pretty special. Just actually going to class and not do it online,” he said. “Just being able to do stuff other than go to the rink and home, I think would be something that I would like to do.”

Now I am sure many of you will say this is an over reaction, and maybe it is, but I want my early first round picks to breathe hockey, eat hockey, piss hockey, LIVE hockey.  What I don’t want is a major asset saying things like, “boy, it’d be cool to do more things NOT related to hockey.”  This is a guy on the cusp of being a number one pick and making millions of dollars and he is chirping about how he wants more freedom to do other things before his career has actually started.  Bye.    I will add one thing: I know something about dedicating yourself for years to something.  I did my PhD work in history.  I lived in $10k a year for years while I worked toward my degree and I knew that there weren’t millions of dollars at the end of the tunnel when it all ended and I entered the workforce.  But I love history and wouldn’t change a thing…. and I would never have completed any of it if I needed to get away from my studies as early on as he is.  
okay, my rant is over.  I feel bad for whomever drafts this kid…. But I really hope it isn’t the devils.

Doesn't really seem like a story to me. The world is going back to "normal" and he wants to experience some "normal". He's an 18 year old kid ffs-- so he wants to go to class, learn in a collaborative environment, and interact with other people outside of hockey...big deal

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3 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Doesn't really seem like a story to me. The world is going back to "normal" and he wants to experience some "normal". He's an 18 year old kid ffs-- so he wants to go to class, learn in a collaborative environment, and interact with other people outside of hockey...big deal

 

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5 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Doesn't really seem like a story to me. The world is going back to "normal" and he wants to experience some "normal". He's an 18 year old kid ffs-- so he wants to go to class, learn in a collaborative environment, and interact with other people outside of hockey...big deal

 

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I mean i understand what's said here. Crosby is a good example and why he's been the best player in the world for awhile. The guy is obsessed and do EVERYTHING in his power to a ridiculous extent to get better.

Guy Boucher was saying that when he coached him in juniors. Crosby would ask him to find him new dekes. So Guy would actually go through tapes and records NHL games and cut together new dekes ideas for him and Crosby kept asking for more and more. 10 wasn't enough, he wanted 100. And kept pushing all the time. And that was in the VHS days, it was a crazy thing to do for Guy and to this day said he never ever saw a player more dedicated than Crosby.

Then when he was younger he'd spend literally days shooting in his dryer in the basement to practice his accuracy. All the things he does that makes no sense, he got to that point by putting all that effort on top of his natural abilities.

And you never see Crosby out living the superstar life and doing a thousand things for attention. He's just committed in studying and putting the time and effort to get better than he is. No distractions at all. 

And as for Power. I mean, if he was some enforcer or projected to be a bottom pairing guy that might not even play a full career in the NHL, yeah i'd put some stock into studying or planning something. But if you're first overall, you gotta deliver and project that you'll be breathing hockey for the next 15-20 years

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15 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Doesn't really seem like a story to me. The world is going back to "normal" and he wants to experience some "normal". He's an 18 year old kid ffs-- so he wants to go to class, learn in a collaborative environment, and interact with other people outside of hockey...big deal

But that is exactly my point: he wants to have the life of a normal kid his age.  That’s fine, but that won’t work for someone in his position and people who want to be number one in their profession. It sucks, but it is true.  Is there anything wrong with wanting “normal”?  No.  Does it make him a FAR less desirable prospect?  Oh yes.  After all, how many Olympic gold medalists, HoF players in pretty much any sport, or any top achiever started their career by saying, “I’d like to do more things NOT associated with my career”?  You’ll probably find a few, but not many.  So if he wants “normal” then he isn’t going to work for “exceptional” and being the number one pick in the NHL draft is for someone exceptional.

I will put my money where my mouth is and document this: Power will be a disappointment.  He is very talented, but he will underachieve to some level.  I can’t say to what level yet, but he will.

 

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4 minutes ago, AEWHistory said:

I will put my money where my mouth is and document this: Power will be a disappointment.  He is very talented, but he will underachieve to some level.  I can’t say to what level yet, but he will.

Can we refer to it as a blackout when he does?

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That was actually a big character arc for Buffy in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv show where she just wanted to have a normal life, have a BF, do her thing, have fun but being the chosen one she had responsibilities she couldn't escape and had to train, kill monsters and save the world constantly

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2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

That was actually a big character arc for Buffy in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv show where she just wanted to have a normal life, have a BF, do her thing, have fun but being the chosen one she had responsibilities she couldn't escape and had to train, kill monsters and save the world constantly

I mean I think that is dispositive on this issue. If a fictional character who kills fictional monsters wants that, Power can too. 

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47 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

That was actually a big character arc for Buffy in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv show where she just wanted to have a normal life, have a BF, do her thing, have fun but being the chosen one she had responsibilities she couldn't escape and had to train, kill monsters and save the world constantly

I love her and spikes relationship arc. This tv show transformed surprisingly

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19 minutes ago, Guadana said:

I love her and spikes relationship arc. This tv show transformed surprisingly

It's my fav tv show of all time haha

Joss Whedon truly understood how to address all those social issues back then using all those monsters as metaphors without having to shove it down your throats literally like most tv are doing now. Now It's just a constant woke fest trying to shame people constantly like "SEE HOW MUCH OF AN a$$holE YOU ARE FOR DOING THIS AND LOOK HOW MISERABLE THE LIFE OF SOMEONE DEALING WITH THIS IS!!!"

Still holds us really well to this day

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Yeah, in Buffy characters were much more grey. I can’t watch tv shows this year. Only a couple. Dialogues and screaming moral make it unwatchable. Everybody talk how vanda vision is a great tv show this year. About First three episodes I can agree. But after shows goin into disaster.

the most funny thing - it is a communism/socialism propaganda in every tv American product. collectivism, theory of classes, morals.It was said that you, guys, would destroy the evil, not join them! Bring balance to the life, not leave it in darkness!

 

 

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I`m not the man who is absolutely agree with Scouching in everything. We have  a lot of different in views.
Anyway i preceate his work and he has his own view and argumantaion logic.

Edvinsson was pretty good(may be +\- excellent) on junior level. He did play this year on adult level and he is only one who play adult out of top-4 defensemen this year. He is one from only two u-18 defenseman who play more than one game in SHL. He is one of only three u-18 defenseman who did play 4+ games in Alssvenskan - second adult sweden league(where he was point leader defenseman in his age ppg is second best in the last 10 years). This is absolutely another level of competition. And Edvinsson is look like a better well around defenseman. I think he is a safeiest pick out of this three. May be not, but he is pretty good for it. And on the other hand he has great potential to be NHL defenseman. He will not produce on quinn hughes level, but he will not failing on his level in defensive and central zones. He is great to close gaps, he has good starting speed and use his body to create space and win puck battles. He is defenseman you want to play in your team. He is on pretty the same level of production Lindholm has in his years. And he was drafted after Reilly, who is better as producer, be he isnt even close to the level of defensive game Lindholm play. Not only Linholm. Ekman Larson was on his level of production on his age. Why we are talk about this guys? They both were elite skaters and have great defensive abuility for their age.

Clarke has great potential to be great playmaker, and im in his camp still, because we are lack of RD, and I think his iq is best or one of the best on this draft. He has bad start and lack of phisicality. He shows great signs he can compensate it by his stick playing, but what can work on junior level - can not on adult level.

And Hughes. Luke-Luke-Luke... He is little overrated at this moment. If you will watch his games on youtube you will see he has great skating and, he is great puckhandler and zone driver. But he doesnt show sign of great iq. He didnt try to make cross passes, he didnt use potential open spots to create dangerous chances, he didnt manage the puck on the blue line to create good chances like Drysdale, Q Hughes did in their draft years. And he is failing in zone protection, he cant push and close gaps, what is remarkaby bad for his size and level of competiotion. He isnt geat in puck battles and isnt well in board plays. I think he can push his offensive game and will use his strength to create dynamic offinsive. But I dont think he will be good in defense. And this part of the game is really... really important in modern game. 

Every streingths and weaknesses I mentioned are in prospect games you can see on youtube. There are full games of  prospect. 


Devils has 5 top-6 guys are in regular roster, and the six member will be selevted between Holtz, Mercer and CLarke. Or may be Kuokkanen will win this spot. Anyway devils has options and some fight for their right to be a Devils forward. What we have in defensive line for today? Smith and Severson, who can leave this place after two years. And bunch of players, who can or can not be NHL player, we still dont know.

I`m still in Clarke camp. He is too smart. He made so many creative things and try to manage the game of his team. And our massive black hole on the right side of defense dictate rules for our draft choice. But if he will picked earlier. Edvinsson MUST be our guy. 

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