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  1. 1. Who do you want at #4?

    • Luke Hughes
    • Brandt Clarke
    • William Eklund
    • Matthew Beniers
    • Simon Edvinsson
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^ Great insight, I appreciate your perspective on all these players.

I'm warming up more to the idea of Edvinsson being a solid prospect, but I'm still thinking he isn't the right pick at 4. Let's say the Devils are in agreement with @Guadana, and Hughes isn't their guy at 4, with Beniers, Power, and Clarke all off the board. I have a tough time taking Edvinsson over William Eklund who had such an excellent year. I understand that Eklund doesn't fit the profile of the player that the Devils need right now, but we have seen several times that you cannot draft for need this high in the draft, especially when you have to reach a few spots to take someone. We needed a "center with size", so we took Zacha, and then McLeod over Chychrun (as much as I like Mikey, this one is still baffling for me). I don't want to look back on this draft to see Edvinsson top out as a second pairing, 30 point guy, while Eklund blossoms into a first line scoring winger.

I feel ambivalent about it because I think in a way, Edvinsson has a lot of untapped potential just like Luke Hughes. But if you draft William Eklund, he's probably the organization's top prospect immediately, whereas I don't think the same would be said about Edvinsson.

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51 minutes ago, nessus said:

^ Great insight, I appreciate your perspective on all these players.

I'm warming up more to the idea of Edvinsson being a solid prospect, but I'm still thinking he isn't the right pick at 4. Let's say the Devils are in agreement with @Guadana, and Hughes isn't their guy at 4, with Beniers, Power, and Clarke all off the board. I have a tough time taking Edvinsson over William Eklund who had such an excellent year. I understand that Eklund doesn't fit the profile of the player that the Devils need right now, but we have seen several times that you cannot draft for need this high in the draft, especially when you have to reach a few spots to take someone. We needed a "center with size", so we took Zacha, and then McLeod over Chychrun (as much as I like Mikey, this one is still baffling for me). I don't want to look back on this draft to see Edvinsson top out as a second pairing, 30 point guy, while Eklund blossoms into a first line scoring winger.

I feel ambivalent about it because I think in a way, Edvinsson has a lot of untapped potential just like Luke Hughes. But if you draft William Eklund, he's probably the organization's top prospect immediately, whereas I don't think the same would be said about Edvinsson.

I think i'd rather get Gunther over Eklund. We need D or scorers. We have enough "guys creating a lot and doing everything well but not showing on the scoreboard" we need guy who can find ways to score and he does that.

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We all know defense is what we need, but D men typically take a couple years to develop before seeing the NHL. So we pick a defenseman and any type of improvement is basically deferred. 

We can still go the UFA and trade route to make improvements, but there's the lack of any desirability to come here. sh!t, we weren't even a desirable spot to go to even when we were successful.

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14 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

I think i'd rather get Gunther over Eklund. We need D or scorers. We have enough "guys creating a lot and doing everything well but not showing on the scoreboard" we need guy who can find ways to score and he does that.

I would be hesitant on Eklund just because we haven't had a ton of luck with Swedish players

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2 minutes ago, CarpathianForest said:

I would be hesitant on Eklund just because we haven't had a ton of luck with Swedish players

i don't think nationality has anything to do with anything but he's just not the type of player we need at all.

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3 hours ago, nessus said:

^ Great insight, I appreciate your perspective on all these players.

I'm warming up more to the idea of Edvinsson being a solid prospect, but I'm still thinking he isn't the right pick at 4. Let's say the Devils are in agreement with @Guadana, and Hughes isn't their guy at 4, with Beniers, Power, and Clarke all off the board. I have a tough time taking Edvinsson over William Eklund who had such an excellent year. I understand that Eklund doesn't fit the profile of the player that the Devils need right now, but we have seen several times that you cannot draft for need this high in the draft, especially when you have to reach a few spots to take someone. We needed a "center with size", so we took Zacha, and then McLeod over Chychrun (as much as I like Mikey, this one is still baffling for me). I don't want to look back on this draft to see Edvinsson top out as a second pairing, 30 point guy, while Eklund blossoms into a first line scoring winger.

I feel ambivalent about it because I think in a way, Edvinsson has a lot of untapped potential just like Luke Hughes. But if you draft William Eklund, he's probably the organization's top prospect immediately, whereas I don't think the same would be said about Edvinsson.

Ok. I will repeat a part om my message from hfboards.

First of all we needs defenseman. Right defenseman at best, but if not - we need left defenseman. Why? Because we have Smith, Severson and Subban in roster. And Subban may left us in a year or less. Severson may left us in two years and taste the market. Our prospects have some potential, but Mukha is still young and raw, Okhotyuk and Vukoevich looks solid in AHL, but they didnt produce much and we dont know how they will translate their game into the NHL. Bahl wasnt bad in NHL and AHL, but he is raw, he lost himself when our team play with the puck, he has some troubles in turnovers etc. All of our prospects arent garantee.
Left wingers? We have Zacha, Yegor and Wood. They aren`t solid best top-6 players over the league level, but they are exist and play on the asking level. Bratt and Kuokka can play on the left side if we will ask. We have prospect Foote. He isnt garantee, but he was good forward for 19-20 yo in AHL. Better than our defensemen. 
Right wingers? We have Bratt and he is good enough to play top-6 role, we have Kuokka and he looks like a middle six guy at least. We have Mercer who was excited in QMJHL, Clarke was good in AHL last year, we have talanted player Holtz. Anyway two players can play in top-9 NOW. Three players have some real potential.

Defense? We are in trouble. Hope we will pick Clarke, but we still need in left defenseman, if Clarke will not be available.

And whats about Edvinsson?
I will not take games from alssvenskan to disassemble, where edvinsson team was good and he was good, where he makes good moves at both ends and his team win it. I`m takin a game where Edvinsson team fvcked up. 

canada 8-1 sweden
6-49 This is how he work with his body and close gaps. against Clarke btw
20-03 Stick work
22-34 easy thing to protect the partner. how often Hughes did make it.
26-00 Edvinsson against Guenther. He did it ok, sweden partners? nope
26-18 tell me how a guy like Clarke and especially Hughes are better defensemen
27-45 yeah. some hightlights, thanks
for this moment of the game edvinsson didnt make any mistake, make two or three entrance and lost the puck because because was covered by 2 canada players, no help from partners, full sweden squad cant build offensive game. covid? coach? I dont know. Best two attacks begin from his pass and one of his zone entrance
29-40 physic dominance
32-40 takeaway
33-33 save the puck in offensive zone in pp. interesting pp. does edvinsson was lookin bad? nope/
36-15 forechecking. body work and stick work in the short moment
37-09 Edvinsson against Guenther
37-22 first mistake. his partner was goin to defense and he should stay on the slot in this moment. and then good body work
38-53. This is how he can work with the puck
47-59 stick work
52-00 create offense
56-55 another pp where edvinsson did everything right
59-20 stick work to trying to save the puck in offensive zone. another time when his partners didnt help him against two opponents.
1-00-38 board battle
1-06-10 pass right into the slot
1-08-37 is it his mistake or team missclick? and what was goin after. no goal, but this team wasnt clickin. and as we will see after - there are no problem in Edvinsson
1-11-29 same move, different result
1-11-58 board battle
1-14-55 makin mistake and neutralize it right after
1-15-10 board play in the corner of blue line
1-15-37 zone entrance
1-19-30 skating, passing and body work to neutralize player when he has partner from the back
1-28-40 gap control
1-29-05 offensive move and than his comeback. If bedard did make a pass - he have to cover it. Anyway Olsson and goalie did fvcked up.
1-32-20 I think he must create pressure here but their full line didnt make it and if he will make a pressure it would have ended with a pass into the opened zone and the Canadians would have scored.
1-37-15 skating that helps to make a safe play
1-38-12 puck racing, puck protection and neutralization. awesome moment against two canadian players.
1-41-20 makin play to safe the puck in offensive zone
1-41-35 - create offense.
1-41-59 - he is still on the ice, he broke the stick and solve the problem by his tools he have
1-42-20 - legs is an option too
1-42-25 - he returned with the stick and neutralize canadian offense. sweden didnt work without him. he is the батя here.
1-43-54 - body work and celan the slot
1-46-53 - Edvinsson against THREE canadian player
1-47-52 - clean the slot. and right after swdish goalie lose the puck after viewable shot.
1-55-52 7th goal of canada. What he actually could do here? And what did olsson do? He was been baaad all game long.
1-59-18 - board battle
1-59-54 - pokechecking, neutralize canadian offense
2-00-12 - 2-00-23 gap control, body work

This was a freakin 1-8 against Canada. And Edvinsson was lookin like a best swedish player even in disaster game for defense. Everywhere he could make something to save - he saved. Only one of his moves was ended with dangerous chance. In the game where canada create 56 shots! And he create some offense.
Even in the two games with Canada Edvinsson made mistakes, but the whole team did not work. And they, like the U-20 team, looked weak. Both sweden team didnt play well against travel and covid. Like U-20 russia team. But when Edvinsson played against Guenther personally, Edvinsson worked well against Guenther and looked head and shoulders better than him, both physically and in the game against him. Canada managed 20 goals in those two games and Guenther didnt score. Edvinsson worked well against everyone and didnt lose in battles.

Even after this disaster game for sweden you can easily see why you are takin Edvinsson in top-5 over Guenther, over Lysell, over Hughes, who couldn't even come close to being able to endure such pressure.

The story about his lack of offense is a lie. He was pretty productive year before. Yes, he wasnt this year when he play against men. j-20 problems? ok, he is ppg allsvenskan best u-18 defenseman in the past 5 years. second best in ten years. Allsvenskan is adult league. It isnt school competition.

Right in this game we can see great flashes of his offensive potential. We couldnt see how Hughes can play in this swedish roster against canada. He didnt play with usa against canada or russia. It would be hallerious to see how he could play against wright, bedard, mitchkov. Hughes and Edvinsson are nowhere close.

Like Sakic said - if you want true top-4 defenseman in his prime years - you must draft him.
 Edvinsson is what he actully is. He is sweden defenseman with good skating. But with great defensive ability, bodywork and understanding the gap. He isn`t Broberg. He is "why we didnt draft him? Because he didnt produce in adult leagues in covid year when he was 17 yo guy?" guy. Like Power, he is close to have a floor to be top-4 guy, and ceiling to be best defenseman of the team. Hughes has a floor to be 3rd pairing pp specialist and ceiling to be 1st pair pp specialist, who will not play in hard minutes against top-players. If you want to draft #4 you must draft the player with better ceiling and better floor.

If you will not draft defense, you will never have good defense. You can say Vegas has good defense, but they were started... from draft). It`s great to have 60-70 points player or even more, but you will never know will he fits here or no, and you will never build contender. Ask toronto fans.  You can ask Dallas fans btw. When they were 2nd best scoring team, they didnt even make playoff. Year ago they were 3 worst scoring team and made SC final. Look at Islanders. Two conference final in a raw. Look at Nashville 5 years ago. Their defensive line were absolutely better than offensive line. Blues - defensive game. Washington - they were won their stanley cup only with competent defensemen and Trotz. Pens - two center(we have a couple too) and solid defensive line, good role players. Even Tampa. Coleman, Goodroow, Maroon and solid defense, where Hedman, Mcdonaugh and Sergachyov are not only puckmovers, they are hard and heavy to play against. This guys made them champions. Devils did make a lot of good draft and have pretty strong potential in offensive lines, they have some real forwards with potential right in the roster. But our defense are svck.

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8 minutes ago, CarpathianForest said:

No. It was a part of his "massage"

You need to re-read the post

nice joke. I will fix it.


You are not the man who can charge me with this. We're both talkative.

10 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

so that was just "a part" of your message? 

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2 minutes ago, CarpathianForest said:

No. It was a part of his "massage"

You need to re-read the post

English isnt his main language, he wrote like 78,000 words in that post, he's been a great contributor to the board and had one typo in that entire post that you needed to mock. That's kind of weak. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Guadana said:

You are not the man who can charge me with this.

I literally just defended you bro lol

I was not mocking you or anything. Just pointing out that it must have been a very very very long post if this was just a part of it. 

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3 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

English isnt his main language, he wrote like 78,000 words in that post, he's been a great contributor to the board and had one typo in that entire post that you needed to mock. That's kind of weak. 

 

Agreed. Maybe like 5% of the time, it takes a minute to realize what he means, which is not bad considering English is not his language. This was not one of those times, incidentally.

Keep doing what you do, you make more sense than some of our English-speaking members anyway.

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Just now, SterioDesign said:

I literally just defended you bro lol

I was not mocking you or anything. Just pointing out that it must have been a very very very long post if this was just a part of it. 

That was about our similar nature. Sometimes we just want to chat.

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12 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

English isnt his main language, he wrote like 78,000 words in that post, he's been a great contributor to the board and had one typo in that entire post that you needed to mock. That's kind of weak. 

 

I'm more apt to take Guadana's thoughts to heart since his analysis is rather thorough.

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1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

i don't think nationality has anything to do with anything but he's just not the type of player we need at all.

I don't get opinion at all. He is a year younger than Holtz who is billed as our future goal scored and Ecklund just outscored him in the same season whilst being a year younger. 

When he is on the ice he is constantly doing things that make you go "holy sh!t" and making plays. Every game I watched last year to see Holtz I ended up thinking how good is Ecklund.

I get the same feeling seeing him that I got watching Barzal in his draft year. Wouldn't be disappointed if we picked him at all. 

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37 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

I don't get opinion at all. He is a year younger than Holtz who is billed as our future goal scored and Ecklund just outscored him in the same season whilst being a year younger. 

When he is on the ice he is constantly doing things that make you go "holy sh!t" and making plays. Every game I watched last year to see Holtz I ended up thinking how good is Ecklund.

I get the same feeling seeing him that I got watching Barzal in his draft year. Wouldn't be disappointed if we picked him at all. 

Yeah well i agree that he's better than Holtz and feel the same way but i'm also super not high on Holtz. So that's not saying that much.

Also well my opinion is based on all the research i did on all the prospects, the type of player he's projected to be is not what i think we need and this may all be wrong at the end of the day but if our scouts think that he's worth picking above other needs that we have well wtv

to be precise. Id totally want Eklund over Holtz BUT draft either a Dman or an elite goal scorer like Guenther if we're not going to pick a dman and don't have a shot at Beniers

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20 minutes ago, Chuck the Duck said:

It's amazing how opinions are all over the place with the top prospects this year.  Should be a fun 1st round.  Hopefully we select a D and that player turns into a solid top pairing guy down the road.

This is my pick

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18 minutes ago, Crisis said:

This is my pick

Yeah, I agree we should pick a 1D that pans out, is with the franchise forever, and wins us 5 Stanley Cups. 

Go get that guy, please. 

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On 7/14/2021 at 12:57 PM, CarpathianForest said:

Was watching highlights of Edvinsson. That boy is large and mobile. Only drawback is he probably wouldn't jump to the Devils for a few years.

Luke wouldn't either he'll play college for the next 2 years. Power wants to go back to school too. Not sure about Clarke, but considering he went oversea this year just to keep playing i assume he'd go just about anywhere

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On 7/14/2021 at 11:57 AM, CarpathianForest said:

Was watching highlights of Edvinsson. That boy is large and mobile. Only drawback is he probably wouldn't jump to the Devils for a few years.

it is unlikely there are any players in this draft that play next season.

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