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  1. 1. Who do you want at #4?

    • Luke Hughes
    • Brandt Clarke
    • William Eklund
    • Matthew Beniers
    • Simon Edvinsson
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5 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

it's like running on a treadmill... you're not moving forward at all but you're still running

Right, but you’re still moving your legs fast lol. 

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2 hours ago, Devs3cups said:

Altering heavily between Clarke and Hughes at the moment. Good thing is we're pretty much guaranteed to get one of those two imo. Should be interesting.

My whole being REALLY hope we can get one of the 2.

A part of me hope our scouts can get the one they really want.

Another part of me really want Clarke.

Another part of me really want Luke.

Another part of me would be thrilled if both would be available at 4 so we can choose.

Another part of me would hate that they are both available so that we have to choose.

Another part of me hope one is taken in the top 3 and that we can just get the other one.

At the end of the day i'm glad im not in charge

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8 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

We can all agree with that lol. 

I don't know.  Parise might not have just walked out at free agency.  Just think about the assets we could have gotten back

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https://theathletic.com/2620093/2021/06/15/nhl-draft-prospects-ranking-2021-corey-pronmans-final-top-151/

Pronman came out with his final rankings and they really took me by surprise.  Not because I don't agree with him (I've watched close to 0 scouting reports), but because they are different from what I've been seeing and hearing from others.  Here's an abridged version down to the last person I've heard about.  Mostly because I thought Edvinsson was a top 3 or 5 pick.

Tier 1: Projected NHL All-Star
1. Owen Power - D
Tier 2: Projected bubble all-star/top of lineup player
2. Dylan Guenther - RW
Tier 3: Projected top of the lineup player
3. William Eklund - LW
4. Luke Hughes - LHD
5. Matthew Beniers - C
6. Kent Johnson - C
Tier 4: Projected bubble top/middle of lineup or quality starting goaltender
7. Chaz Lucius - C
8. Brandt Clarke - RHD
9. Mason McTavish - C
10. Sebastian Cossa - G
11. Jesper Wallstedt - G
Tier 5: Projected middle of lineup player
12. Simon Edvinsson - LHD

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He does a breakdown of each player so let me know if you want me to post it.  I'll throw Luke and Clarke up here for argument's sake.

Disclaimer: The Athletic is worth the subscription.  Especially if you split it with someone.

  1. Luke Hughes, LHD, U.S. NTDP-USHL

Sept. 9, 2003 | 6-foot-2 | 184 pounds

Skating: High-end
Puck Skills: Average
Hockey Sense: Average
Compete: Average

Hughes had a strong season, as a leading player for the U.S. NTDP, but a late-season injury kept him from playing at the U18 worlds. Hughes is a 6-foot-2 elite-skating defenseman with offensive ability, which is a highly appealing toolkit for an NHL projection. Like his brothers Jack and Quinn, Luke’s edgework is fantastic, showing great ability to elude checks. His skating and skill combination allow him to generate a lot of controlled exits and entries. His playmaking isn’t at the same level as his brothers, but he has enough skill and vision to be on an NHL power play and be a driver at the top level. The size and skating combination should allow him to make stops as a pro, but currently his D-zone coverage isn’t completely refined, as he needs to work on his gaps. He can be a bit risky and turnover prone with the puck, and managing that is a main area of concern with scouts. In a sentence, Hughes projects as a top-pair defenseman who can be on a power play and be elite in transition, but will have issues matching up versus top players.

 

  1. Brandt Clarke, RHD, Barrie-OHL

Feb. 9, 2003 | 6-foot-2 | 185 pounds

Skating: Below-average
Puck Skills: Above-average
Hockey Sense: Average
Compete: Average

Clarke went to Slovakia because there was no OHL season and was quite good. He is a dynamic player with the puck because of his puck skills and playmaking ability. He has the poise and vision to make tough plays from both ends of the rink. He can beat opponents with his skill consistently and looks unique with the puck on his stick, with true first power-play unit potential in the NHL. The concern on Clarke is his skating as he’s a somewhat knock-kneed skater without great quickness. He defends well in junior due to his sense and having decent reach, but the pace will be a concern in that regard as he advances levels. In a sentence, Clarke projects as a second or third defenseman who can be on a top NHL power-play unit but may not be able to face top opponents defensively.

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29 minutes ago, Crisis said:

I don't know.  Parise might not have just walked out at free agency.  Just think about the assets we could have gotten back

True, we also would have drafted the exact right guys every year also. 

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1 minute ago, SterioDesign said:

The list is way way way longer than just Parise

I think I changed my mind on this, let’s give SD the keys to the kingdom. 

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1 minute ago, SterioDesign said:

Not sure what that jab is about. I keep telling posters here that you can't look at draft with hindsight 20/20

It’s about your theories about how we should have Matthews and McDavid on our team right now. 

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I think I changed my mind on this, let’s give SD the keys to the kingdom. 

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It’s about your theories about how we should have Matthews and McDavid on our team right now. 

What are you even talking about? lol

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4 hours ago, Crisis said:

https://theathletic.com/2620093/2021/06/15/nhl-draft-prospects-ranking-2021-corey-pronmans-final-top-151/

Pronman came out with his final rankings and they really took me by surprise.  Not because I don't agree with him (I've watched close to 0 scouting reports), but because they are different from what I've been seeing and hearing from others.  Here's an abridged version down to the last person I've heard about.  Mostly because I thought Edvinsson was a top 3 or 5 pick.

Tier 1: Projected NHL All-Star
1. Owen Power - D
Tier 2: Projected bubble all-star/top of lineup player
2. Dylan Guenther - RW
Tier 3: Projected top of the lineup player
3. William Eklund - LW
4. Luke Hughes - LHD
5. Matthew Beniers - C
6. Kent Johnson - C
Tier 4: Projected bubble top/middle of lineup or quality starting goaltender
7. Chaz Lucius - C
8. Brandt Clarke - RHD
9. Mason McTavish - C
10. Sebastian Cossa - G
11. Jesper Wallstedt - G
Tier 5: Projected middle of lineup player
12. Simon Edvinsson - LHD

I saw this too (Athletic) He was kinda "harsh" on everyone. Even Owen Power was average at everything.  Very few players got above average anything.  I liked his grading system, but I'm wondering if he thinks this is just a sh>tty draf?. I asked him, but haven't heard back.  Everybody was average overall. Yes, his rankings were way different than everyone else. 

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25 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

I saw this too (Athletic) He was kinda "harsh" on everyone. Even Owen Power was average at everything.  Very few players got above average anything.  I liked his grading system, but I'm wondering if he thinks this is just a sh>tty draf?. I asked him, but haven't heard back.  Everybody was average overall. Yes, his rankings were way different than everyone else. 

I think it’s a combination of not a great draft, and lack of information/scouting because of Covid. So many leagues only played partial seasons, or were shut down completely.

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34 minutes ago, vadvlfan said:

I saw this too (Athletic) He was kinda "harsh" on everyone. Even Owen Power was average at everything.  Very few players got above average anything.  I liked his grading system, but I'm wondering if he thinks this is just a sh>tty draf?. I asked him, but haven't heard back.  Everybody was average overall. Yes, his rankings were way different than everyone else. 

I think it depends on how you interpret what he means by average.  If he means that the player is currently NHL average in that skill then that’s actually not a knock.  (IOW, maybe “average” means he is saying that that prospect is already as good as a typical NHL player at that skill.) How many 18 year olds, even exceptional ones, are going to be much more than middling their first year in the NHL?  So if this is merely their current level of development and their ceiling is higher then the grades make a ton of sense.

OTOH, if those grades are what he thinks the ceiling is for all those players then yes, that’s harsh.  I hadn’t heard this was a particularly weak class, but given that I don’t usually follow drafts as much as I am following this one I am hardly one to judge.

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1 hour ago, vadvlfan said:

I saw this too (Athletic) He was kinda "harsh" on everyone. Even Owen Power was average at everything.  Very few players got above average anything.  I liked his grading system, but I'm wondering if he thinks this is just a sh>tty draf?. I asked him, but haven't heard back.  Everybody was average overall. Yes, his rankings were way different than everyone else. 

Well its true through there's no super elite players in this draft compared to other years. It's pretty well documented

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1 hour ago, vadvlfan said:

I saw this too (Athletic) He was kinda "harsh" on everyone. Even Owen Power was average at everything.  Very few players got above average anything.  I liked his grading system, but I'm wondering if he thinks this is just a sh>tty draf?. I asked him, but haven't heard back.  Everybody was average overall. Yes, his rankings were way different than everyone else. 

AEW is exactly right on this.  Here is Pronman's explanation of the grading.

"Attributes are graded on a scale using the terms poor (lowest), below average, average, above average, high end, and elite (highest). Average is meant as a compliment, not as a criticism. Saying an attribute is average means it projects as NHL average. Shots are only graded if they are notably good or poor."

Breakdown of Power

  1. Owen Power, LHD, Michigan-Big Ten

Nov. 22, 2002 | 6-foot-6 | 213 pounds

Skating: Average
Puck Skills: Below-average
Hockey Sense: Above-average
Compete: Average

Power had a great freshman season as one of the best defensemen in his conference while also one of its youngest, and played a key role for Canada in its gold medal run at the world championships. Power’s offensive toolkit won’t jump out immediately to you, but a 6-foot-6 defenseman who can skate at the NHL level and move the puck well is a major asset. His skating isn’t explosive, but his stride and edgework are excellent, and he can evade pressure very well. Power’s offense comes from a great first pass and an ability to find seams in the offensive zone well. I question if he will be a go-to power play type, but I can for sure see him on PP2 and can be PP1 in a pinch. Defensively he’s not that physical, but he closes on checks well with his range and reach, and breaks up a lot of plays. In a sentence, Power projects as a star all-situations NHL defenseman who won’t land on highlight reels but will play tough minutes and drive play.

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6’6”, he’s a big boy. I guess with a name like Owen Power it would be disappointing if he was 5’9” and 160 lbs. 

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3 hours ago, vadvlfan said:

I saw this too (Athletic) He was kinda "harsh" on everyone. Even Owen Power was average at everything.  Very few players got above average anything.  I liked his grading system, but I'm wondering if he thinks this is just a sh>tty draf?. I asked him, but haven't heard back.  Everybody was average overall. Yes, his rankings were way different than everyone else. 

I think his grading system is a little confusing. Power is listed as an ‘average’ skater but it’s in the context that he’s 6’6. A defenseman that height would be well off being an average skater. But yeah I didn’t get the vibe that he was a huge fan of this class.

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

6’6”, he’s a big boy. I guess with a name like Owen Power it would be disappointing if he was 5’9” and 160 lbs

Wilbur Powerless

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20 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Wilbur Powerless

I would quite obviously have a meme field day with that guy, whether he was good or bad. 

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2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I would quite obviously have a meme field day with that guy, whether he was good or bad. 

Of course you would, as Zacha is already well aware.

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