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I'm not having fun, guys.  At the moment, I'm finding myself looking forward to training camp in September 2022.  These last 3 months have been worse than the summers of no hockey.  At least then there was hope.  Right now, there is no hope.

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14 minutes ago, Crisis said:

I'm not having fun, guys.  At the moment, I'm finding myself looking forward to training camp in September 2022.  These last 3 months have been worse than the summers of no hockey.  At least then there was hope.  Right now, there is no hope.

This season was supposed to be one where the team tried to compete. Fitz has a lot of explaining to do right now, if he ever decides to crawl out of his hole. Obviously BS excuses are allowing these coaches to continue to be employed. 

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1 hour ago, Crisis said:

I'm not having fun, guys.  At the moment, I'm finding myself looking forward to training camp in September 2022.  These last 3 months have been worse than the summers of no hockey.  At least then there was hope.  Right now, there is no hope.

Yeah to have this friggin' season be almost IDENTICAL to what happened last season...it's a wide-toed spiky boot to the balls, no question.  And my interest in the 2021-22 Devils is waning very quickly.  

I think Fitz has done some good things...he's a solid seller and gets back good pieces, and I can't really say he's made any moves that made me wondering "What the hell did he do THAT for?"  Tatar's been very meh, but as a stopgap signing, I understood it.  Liked Bernier...made perfect sense at the time, as another stopgap-type who figured to be at least average when healthy.  Not that he has to make daily statements on the state of the Devils, but man it would be nice to hear SOMETHING from the guy.  He had no problems talking about long-term plans, which have clearly gone beyond awry in the short-term.  

I think more and more that something major has to happen, and not just with the coaching staff...we keep thinking this young core (and some of these guys have been here a while now) is going to turn the corner, progress, build off good personal stretches...and then it doesn't happen, and before we know it, it's "next year...more experience, blah blah blah".  Sure, I think this staff is borderline useless and they really need to just be shown the door at this point and put out of their collective misery...they have no answers, and it's the same sh!t game after game.  But after having had a lot of patience for the last several years, and defending these players, I can't do it anymore.  Maybe they really are just aren't that good.

AFAIC, the only untouchables are Jack, Nico, Bratt, Mercer, and Hamilton.  Not saying that Jack and Nico are sure things, but young centers aren't easy to come by, and I want to see what a competent coaching staff can do with them...Hamilton's not going anywhere anyway, and as down as I was on Bratt earlier, he's done enough this year that I want to see if he can consistently put it all together and play close to 80 games.  The rest are candidates to be moved...not saying ALL them will be or should be, or that you just give them away, but I'm now open to hearing offers for anyone not on my short list...I believe that it's reached this point.  If some fans want to give some of the others a little more time to see how they fare with new coaches, I'm OK with that.  But this team is missing something valuable...and it feels like whatever it is that's needed (snarl, hating to lose, etc), it's not coming from within.      

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25 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Yeah to have this friggin' season be almost IDENTICAL to what happened last season...it's a wide-toed spiky boot to the balls, no question.  And my interest in the 2021-22 Devils is waning very quickly.  

I think Fitz has done some good things...he's a solid seller and gets back good pieces, and I can't really say he's made any moves that made me wondering "What the hell did he do THAT for?"  Tatar's been very meh, but as a stopgap signing, I understood it.  Liked Bernier...made perfect sense at the time, as another stopgap-type who figured to be at least average when healthy.  Not that he has to make daily statements on the state of the Devils, but man it would be nice to hear SOMETHING from the guy.  He had no problems talking about long-term plans, which have clearly gone beyond awry in the short-term.  

I think more and more that something major has to happen, and not just with the coaching staff...we keep thinking this young core (and some of these guys have been here a while now) is going to turn the corner, progress, build off good personal stretches...and then it doesn't happen, and before we know it, it's "next year...more experience, blah blah blah".  Sure, I think this staff is borderline useless and they really need to just be shown the door at this point and put out of their collective misery...they have no answers, and it's the same sh!t game after game.  But after having had a lot of patience for the last several years, and defending these players, I can't do it anymore.  Maybe they really are just aren't that good.

AFAIC, the only untouchables are Jack, Nico, Bratt, Mercer, and Hamilton.  Not saying that Jack and Nico are sure things, but young centers aren't easy to come by, and I want to see what a competent coaching staff can do with them...Hamilton's not going anywhere anyway, and as down as I was on Bratt earlier, he's done enough this year that I want to see if he can consistently put it all together and play close to 80 games.  The rest are candidates to be moved...not saying ALL them will be or should be, or that you just give them away, but I'm now open to hearing offers for anyone not on my short list...I believe that it's reached this point.  If some fans want to give some of the others a little more time to see how they fare with new coaches, I'm OK with that.  But this team is missing something valuable...and it feels like whatever it is that's needed (snarl, hating to lose, etc), it's not coming from within.      

That's likely how Devils management sees it, but I think Nico and Bratt shouldn't be untouchables.  Mercer pushes Nico down to 3C whose offensive upside is appearing to be smaller and smaller with each passing season.  If he can be used to acquire a goal-scoring winger then you have to do it.

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5 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

That's likely how Devils management sees it, but I think Nico and Bratt shouldn't be untouchables.  Mercer pushes Nico down to 3C whose offensive upside is appearing to be smaller and smaller with each passing season.  If he can be used to acquire a goal-scoring winger then you have to do it.

 I like Nico and I do want to see what a more legit coaching staff could do with him, but yeah, I can understand where you're coming from on this one.  

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9 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

That's likely how Devils management sees it, but I think Nico and Bratt shouldn't be untouchables.  Mercer pushes Nico down to 3C whose offensive upside is appearing to be smaller and smaller with each passing season.  If he can be used to acquire a goal-scoring winger then you have to do it.

I’d let people touch them all day for the right price. 

Wait, what are we talking about??

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14 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

What's the price in your mind for letting people touch them all day?

I prefer they set their own price, but apparently between $7.25 and $8m per year, so that’s like $19,863.01 per day for Nico and $21,917.81 for Jack. 

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11 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I prefer they set their own price, but apparently between $7.25 and $8m per year, so that’s like $19,863.01 per day for Nico and $21,917.81 for Jack. 

if you had a 22,000 budget for one day. Would you just pick one or try to deal to get half a day with both?

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2020-21, after 30 GP:  12-14-4, 75 GF, 93 GA (-18)

2021-22, after 30 GP:  10-15-5, 82 GF, 105 GA (-23)...this after landing a top UFA in Hamilton and bringing in Graves (both of whom were upgrades)

Under Lindy:  29-45-12

For the love of God Fitz...

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17 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

2020-21, after 30 GP:  12-14-4, 75 GF, 93 GA (-18)

2021-22, after 30 GP:  10-15-5, 82 GF, 105 GA (-23)...this after landing a top UFA in Hamilton and bringing in Graves (both of whom were upgrades)

Under Lindy:  29-45-12

For the love of God Fitz...

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I'm hoping Fitz is going to pull the trigger after the Pittsburgh game, giving a new coach six days before the next game. Unless, of course, he's going to do what Lou did to PDB and fire Ruff the day after Christmas.

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3 minutes ago, Aitchmack said:

I'm hoping Fitz is going to pull the trigger after the Pittsburgh game, giving a new coach six days before the next game. Unless, of course, he's going to do what Lou did to PDB and fire Ruff the day after Christmas.

SD has alluded to the fact that Fitz may be working behind the scenes to try to find new coaching personnel (which is why the timetable feels like it's nonexistent, as far as making a damned change goes), but what ticks me off is that, after last year, I think he should have been much more prepared in realizing that this staff (in part or whole) may not be the right guys to lead this team going forward.  They're now 3-12-3 in their last 18 games...I'm sorry, it should not have gotten to this fvcking point, where the season is just about toast, with so many "Rock Bottom" moments that screamed for a change to be made...and it's not like these three have done ANYTHING to earn the benefit of the doubt here.  And sorry Fitz, you don't get to make moves that support your assertion that it's time for the Devils to become more competitive, then just punt another year away.  TWO other teams acted and tried to save their seasons...like I said, still lots of time, maybe those changes won't ultimately pay off, but FFS, as least those teams TRIED while there was still time.  

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21 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:
Does this mean no games till after Christmas? If so perfect time to sh!t can the coaching staff. 

I'm with you, but I'm guessing Fitz will see it as more of "bonus time" for The Three Stooges to have extra time to work with their players and "correct" the issues...that's assuming they'll run legit practices.  With Covid blowing up yet again, wouldn't surprise me if they just took a full-on break until after the holidays.

 

Anyway, sadly this is a bit of an early gift...I can spend at least the next week not watching Devils hockey.  Any day without a game is a day they won't lose.

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2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I'm with you, but I'm guessing Fitz will see it as more of "bonus time" for The Three Stooges to have extra time to work with their players and "correct" the issues...that's assuming they'll run legit practices.  With Covid blowing up yet again, wouldn't surprise me if they just took a full-on break until after the holidays.

 

Anyway, sadly this is a bit of an early gift...I can spend at least the next week not watching Devils hockey.  Any day without a game is a day they won't lose.

They should do us all a favor and cancel the All Star game while they are at it.

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19 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I'm with you, but I'm guessing Fitz will see it as more of "bonus time" for The Three Stooges to have extra time to work with their players and "correct" the issues...that's assuming they'll run legit practices.  With Covid blowing up yet again, wouldn't surprise me if they just took a full-on break until after the holidays.

 

Anyway, sadly this is a bit of an early gift...I can spend at least the next week not watching Devils hockey.  Any day without a game is a day they won't lose.

If any team could find a way I guarantee you it's this one. 

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28 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I'm with you, but I'm guessing Fitz will see it as more of "bonus time" for The Three Stooges to have extra time to work with their players and "correct" the issues...that's assuming they'll run legit practices.  With Covid blowing up yet again, wouldn't surprise me if they just took a full-on break until after the holidays.

 

Anyway, sadly this is a bit of an early gift...I can spend at least the next week not watching Devils hockey.  Any day without a game is a day they won't lose.

 

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1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

2020-21, after 30 GP:  12-14-4, 75 GF, 93 GA (-18)

2021-22, after 30 GP:  10-15-5, 82 GF, 105 GA (-23)...this after landing a top UFA in Hamilton and bringing in Graves (both of whom were upgrades)

Under Lindy:  29-45-12

For the love of God Fitz...

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I'm glad you found or compiled those stats because I was wondering what they were myself - the fact that we're actually worse this year should be eye-opening to Fitz and the Owners.  Like you said, they brought in the top/best available defenseman, and another guy who has upside and potential - whatever they are doing with these players and the talent, it isn't working. 

10 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

 

That's amazing.  I'm sorry, I liked Fitz and I generally don't like canning guys after a short period of time because I think they should be given time to build and enact their vision and system, but he should be fired for saying such.  To what I quoted above, whatever the coaching staff is telling or instructing the players how to play, it's not working.  You can blame the players all you want and say "coaches coach and players player, and it's on them to execute" all you want, but at the end of the day we've seen a carrousel of players over the last few years, be from trades, draft picks, free agents, etc - the common denominator is, without fvcking question, the special teams coaches and assistants, and, to a lesser degree (but not by much), the head coach himself.  

Fitz isn't even accepting mediocrity, he's accepting abysmal performances.  fvck him.  I hope he gets a pink slip for Christmas.  

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3 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

if you had a 22,000 budget for one day. Would you just pick one or try to deal to get half a day with both?

I’d probably have to pay the bill but let one of our board members do the touching. I mean they’ve lined up in advance, it’s only fair they go first. 

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21 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

 

Didn’t Ruff literally say it was on him? 

6 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

Fitz isn't even accepting mediocrity, he's accepting abysmal performances.  fvck him.  I hope he gets a pink slip for Christmas.  

Honestly, I agree, fvck it. I never got my free Fitz family season tickets anyway. Replace him too. 

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2 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said:

I'm glad you found or compiled those stats because I was wondering what they were myself - the fact that we're actually worse this year should be eye-opening to Fitz and the Owners.  Like you said, they brought in the top/best available defenseman, and another guy who has upside and potential - whatever they are doing with these players and the talent, it isn't working. 

That's amazing.  I'm sorry, I liked Fitz and I generally don't like canning guys after a short period of time because I think they should be given time to build and enact their vision and system, but he should be fired for saying such.  To what I quoted above, whatever the coaching staff is telling or instructing the players how to play, it's not working.  You can blame the players all you want and say "coaches coach and players player, and it's on them to execute" all you want, but at the end of the day we've seen a carrousel of players over the last few years, be from trades, draft picks, free agents, etc - the common denominator is, without fvcking question, the special teams coaches and assistants, and, to a lesser degree (but not by much), the head coach himself.  

Fitz isn't even accepting mediocrity, he's accepting abysmal performances.  fvck him.  I hope he gets a pink slip for Christmas.  

Well then Fitz can't continue to do nothing; if he's identified the players as being the problem, then start making some changes there.  They haven't played well as a group, but it's not an overly expensive bunch...outside of Hischier, Hughes, and Hamilton (none of whom are going anywhere anyway), no one's signed to expensive, prohibitive contracts...gotta think there's ways to shake up the roster.

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Didn’t Ruff literally say it was on him? 

Starting to feel like no one's on the same page...would make sense, given the results.  I was all-aboard the Fitz train initially, but definitely starting to wonder about him...the players aren't blameless, but I'm not sure blindly backing a retread and a couple of assistant nothings is the way to go here.  At least Fitz is alive...technically, anyway.

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1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

SD has alluded to the fact that Fitz may be working behind the scenes to try to find new coaching personnel (which is why the timetable feels like it's nonexistent, as far as making a damned change goes), but what ticks me off is that, after last year, I think he should have been much more prepared in realizing that this staff (in part or whole) may not be the right guys to lead this team going forward.  They're now 3-12-3 in their last 18 games...I'm sorry, it should not have gotten to this fvcking point, where the season is just about toast, with so many "Rock Bottom" moments that screamed for a change to be made...and it's not like these three have done ANYTHING to earn the benefit of the doubt here.  And sorry Fitz, you don't get to make moves that support your assertion that it's time for the Devils to become more competitive, then just punt another year away.  TWO other teams acted and tried to save their seasons...like I said, still lots of time, maybe those changes won't ultimately pay off, but FFS, as least those teams TRIED while there was still time.  

 

23 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

 

Yeah this is worrisome if he "truly" feels that way and that he's not just buying time. Especially after Ruff straight up admitted that it's on him to get the players to play the right way.

Like we all said, Nas and Recchi simply does NOT deserve this sort of protection.

I sure hope to God fitz is working on something in the background and that this is why cause if he's not (and i 100% support a GM willing to be patient cause we were going to need this a lot through this rebuilt) but this is a case where the coaches are obviously not doing anything good. Even when players are actually executing what they should be doing on the PP, it's stagnant, slow and ineffective, it's so clear.

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4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

 

Yeah this is worrisome if he "truly" feels that way and that he's not just buying time. Especially after Ruff straight up admitted that it's on him to get the players to play the right way.

Like we all said, Nas and Recchi simply does NOT deserve this sort of protection.

I sure hope to God fitz is working on something in the background and that this is why cause if he's not (and i 100% support a GM willing to be patient cause we were going to need this a lot through this rebuilt) but this is a case where the coaches are obviously not doing anything good. Even when players are actually executing what they should be doing on the PP, it's stagnant, slow and ineffective, it's so clear.

My only issue with the bolded is that you don't pony up for Hamilton's prime years (which don't figure to last the full length of his deal) if you still believe you're a long way away from being able to contend.  It's time to start asking more of these guys, for this thing to start moving along...instead of wondering about how high the Devils are going to pick and wondering how much Fitz will make out with this year's deadline sells.  Fitz can't be so quick to just pivot to "Another learning year."  Either you've got some slow learners, or teachers who can't fvcking teach.  Time to raise the damned bar.

But yeah, like you said, the funny thing is even if the players DID properly execute whatever the hell it is The Three Stooges are trying to teach them...I'm not sure that would be a good thing.  Like you just said on the power play...it looks to me like Recchi just has no idea how to come up with a power play that isn't a disaster.  I don't think it's a case of great ideas not being realized...which makes me wonder what the hell Fitz sees in these guys.

Of course, as DM84 and some others have alluded to...man I really hope this is NOT a case of ownership telling Fitz behind the scenes "Maybe we can talk new coaches after the season, but we're not paying them before then, so find a way to make it work with what you've got until then."  So far even though this ownership has misread the fanbase and what "Jersey" means multiple times, and even though they've been oddly negligent about addressing some arena issues, I've never thought of them as truly being "cheap".  But if money was ever an issue when it came to letting a bad coaching staff continue to stay on the job...man, that just fvcking blows.  

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