2021-2022 Around the League thread

[DevsMan84]

13 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

the fact that Hammond is the BEST option Fitz could get. And that there wasn't much movement with other goalies moving, eventhough it was reported that many playoffs teams wanted to add a goalie. Plus just looking into who could have been available etc etc.. there just wasnt many options.

Especially when you want to get a goalie... without sending one the other way (since our goalies were injured). What team would send a goalie who can be either a starter or solid backup without getting another one in exchange?

Im glad we gave Daws a good look and experience at the NHL level instead of making a desperate move that'd cost us too much just to please the fans. in a season that was clearly lost anyway

And its worth noting that Fitz HAD a good setup. With Blackwood, Bernier and Wedgewood. The first 2 got injured and Wedge got picked up on waivers and had a pretty good season. But that happened when we had 2 healthy goalies ahead of him. So it's really not his fault

If an injured, rusty goalie was the best option then the trade shouldn't have been made; especially when you go in front of 3 in-house "reporters" and try to justify it by saying you are trying to get the team wins to make themselves feel good.

I also cannot for the life of me understand how Fitz not knowing Hammond was injured doesn't faze you in the slightest.  I bet if Lou traded for a player and immediately admitted he didn't know he was injured we would be hearing it for at least a decade from you.

[DevsMan84]

4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

The good ol' "he's not doing anything, sitting on his hands" when fans don't see results, is so so so so shortsighted

Clearly many have no idea what it is to be a GM and how much work and calls you make that simply doesn't pan out more often than not.

Again, going back to my analogy it's like the dad spending his entire days making calls and sending his resume to companies, going on interviews. He's just not landing any jobs, not his fault, it takes 2 to tango. And his family who's working all day or at school don't see that and simply assume he's playing videogames all day not even trying. Like come on. 

You mean that Fitz firing with a D-coach who has been around for 7 years and whose D-men under him seem to develop backwards during his time while also sticking with another coach who has lead to the worst PP 2 years in a row is out of reach?  Not only that but he ended up firing both at the end of the season anyways lol.

As with the trade deadline, again I am not going after Fitz for the deals that didn't happen, but the one that did.  I really am flabbergasted at the fact that Fitz being surprised to hear from his own in-house media telling him that Hammond was injured the day he acquired him does not seem to raise a major red flag for you as well as others.

[SterioDesign]

13 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

If an injured, rusty goalie was the best option then the trade shouldn't have been made; especially when you go in front of 3 in-house "reporters" and try to justify it by saying you are trying to get the team wins to make themselves feel good.

I also cannot for the life of me understand how Fitz not knowing Hammond was injured doesn't faze you in the slightest.  I bet if Lou traded for a player and immediately admitted he didn't know he was injured we would be hearing it for at least a decade from you.

Exactly. A move wasn't made for months because there wasn't good options, fans with little knowledge of what was available whined away their lives for months about it.

And i was not happy with Fitz many times this year too. I'm really not a Fitz fanboy. But i sure can defend him when there's unfair criticism. And i was really vocal about not being happy with him riding the recchi, Nas tandem for this long.

The big difference is that when I don't agree with something Fitz do or doesnt do. I try to understand why and try to imagine logical explaination why. While you just assume he's not doing anything and doesnt care / just bad at his job

Edited June 16 by SterioDesign

[DevsMan84]

15 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Exactly. A move wasn't made for months because there wasn't good options, fans with little knowledge of what was available whined away their lives for months about it.

And i was not happy with Fitz many times this year too. I'm really not a Fitz fanboy. But i sure can defend him when there's unfair criticism. And i was really vocal about not being happy with him riding the recchi, Nas tandem for this long.

The big difference is that when I don't agree with something Fitz do or doesnt do. I try to understand why and try to imagine logical explaination why. While you just assume he's not doing anything and doesnt care / just bad at his job

lol to this day you still nail Lou to the cross over what he should have done and what he shouldn't have done.  I wish you would extend the same standards to Fitz.

When Fitz doesn't know the health status of the guy he is trading for it doesn't exactly instill confidence in me.  Maybe I am just crazy at being flabbergasted that a GM of a professional major league team didn't know that.

[mfitz804]

13 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

He said at the time the purpose of the trade was to give the team a chance to win games down the stretch and that he owes it to them.  That's fine and all, but giving them a goalie who hasn't played in 4 years plus who was injured doesn't seem to fit the bill.  It probably would have been just as effective if he did nothing.

I am not going to fault him for the moves he could have made but he didn't; but the one he did make and how confounding it was.

No doubt, that was a sh!t move. 

1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said:

lol to this day you still nail Lou to the cross over what he should have done and what he shouldn't have done.  I wish you would extend the same standards to Fitz.

When Fitz doesn't know the health status of the guy he is trading for it doesn't exactly instill confidence in me.  Maybe I am just crazy at being flabbergasted that a GM of a professional major league team didn't know that.

Flabbergasted is a really underrated word. 

[DevsMan84]

5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

No doubt, that was a sh!t move. 

Flabbergasted is a really underrated word. 

It's the only word I can use to describe it.  A GM trading for a player he doesn't know is injured is what you would expect out of a sports comedy movie.  He looked like Mr. Magoo when he was informed that the player he just acquired was injured.

[CarpathianForest]

2 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Exactly. A move wasn't made for months because there wasn't good options, fans with little knowledge of what was available whined away their lives for months about it.

And i was not happy with Fitz many times this year too. I'm really not a Fitz fanboy. But i sure can defend him when there's unfair criticism. And i was really vocal about not being happy with him riding the recchi, Nas tandem for this long.

The big difference is that when I don't agree with something Fitz do or doesnt do. I try to understand why and try to imagine logical explaination why. While you just assume he's not doing anything and doesnt care / just bad at his job

Dude, Anton Khudobin was languishing away on the Iowa Stars. I doubt Fitz even thought for a second to inquire about him

[John Wensink]

3 minutes ago, CarpathianForest said:

Dude, Anton Khudobin was languishing away on the Iowa Stars. I doubt Fitz even thought for a second to inquire about him

2021-22	Dallas Stars	NHL	9	0	0	462	28	0	0	3.63	3	4	1	203	0.879
2021-22	Texas Stars	AHL	6	0	4	353	15	3	0	2.55	2	4	0	140	0.903

 

Not a strong argument. Those are crap #s. (also 36 years old) c'mon, there was no goalie move. 

Edited June 16 by John Wensink

[MB3]

8 minutes ago, CarpathianForest said:

Dude, Anton Khudobin was languishing away on the Iowa Stars. I doubt Fitz even thought for a second to inquire about him

Lmao WHAT?!? 

Are you upset he didn’t trade for Ben Bishop too??

[CarpathianForest]

5 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Lmao WHAT?!? 

Are you upset he didn’t trade for Ben Bishop too??

Not upset. Khudobin was healthy was my point.

[Devil Dan 56]

2 hours ago, MB3 said:

Lmao WHAT?!? 

Are you upset he didn’t trade for Ben Bishop too??

We coulda had Ben Bishop too?!? Damn it!! 

[Devil Dan 56]

5 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

the fact that Hammond is the BEST option Fitz could get. And that there wasn't much movement with other goalies moving, eventhough it was reported that many playoffs teams wanted to add a goalie. Plus just looking into who could have been available etc etc.. there just wasnt many options.

Especially when you want to get a goalie... without sending one the other way (since our goalies were injured). What team would send a goalie who can be either a starter or solid backup without getting another one in exchange?

Im glad we gave Daws a good look and experience at the NHL level instead of making a desperate move that'd cost us too much just to please the fans. in a season that was clearly lost anyway

And its worth noting that Fitz HAD a good setup. With Blackwood, Bernier and Wedgewood. The first 2 got injured and Wedge got picked up on waivers and had a pretty good season. But that happened when we had 2 healthy goalies ahead of him. So it's really not his fault

To be fair, we dont know Hammond was the best option. Hammond was also traded one time before we got him, so he was available twice which, in addition to the not knowing about the injury thing, is why I question just just how thorough he was being. It very well could be that Minny decided to trade him to Montreal instead of Jersey the first time, and you’re right, we’ll never know the truth there.

As for the Wedgewood thing though, I’m sorry. That’s 100% mismanagement of assets by Fitz. Blackwood was still recovering from surgery and Bernier was “day to day” playing hurt (he was injured in the preseason) when Wedge went on waivers. We had 2 wonky goalies and sending Wedge through waivers while Mason “Second Rate Facepuncher” Geertson is on the roster was a terrible decision. Especially since Geertson wasn’t even dressing for games at the time! 

And I need to clarify… we aren’t “whining because nothing is happening”. We are watching everyone around us figuring out how to build a team while we are seemingly stuck in first gear for a decade. We have some great pieces, especially at forward, but filling out this roster seems like an endless game of wack-a-mole at times. 

[mfitz804]

5 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

As for the Wedgewood thing though, I’m sorry. That’s 100% mismanagement of assets by Fitz.

Add to that the fact that he was very unlikely to clear. He had bounced around a lot but there’s always a taker. Everyone knows post-COVID you need a third goalie option, and Wedgewood was perfect for that, semi-reliable at a very low cost. 

[Crisis]

How many more games do we think the Devils would have won with Wedgewood?  Or Khudobin?  Maybe 5?  So that would have put us in 7th place in the Metro instead of.. let me check my notes here.. ah yes, 7th.

[devlman]

I don’t understand the Flyers hiring Torts. They should be tanking for Bedard. Torts will have them fighting for a playoff spot come March all the while making their young players slowly hate hockey.

[RunninWithTheDevil]

[mfitz804]

20 minutes ago, Crisis said:

How many more games do we think the Devils would have won with Wedgewood?  Or Khudobin?  Maybe 5?  So that would have put us in 7th place in the Metro instead of.. let me check my notes here.. ah yes, 7th.

Oh, it definitely would not have helped. But you wouldn’t have had to trade for Gillies and Hammond, and we’re just talking about it from an asset management perspective. 

[mfitz804]

Would you take 4 years of Weber’s $7m+ contract for Evgeni Dadonov?

https://thehockeynews.com/news/canadiens-trade-shea-webers-contract-to-golden-knights-for-evgeni-dadonov?fbclid=IwAR0OcIu6E-LWk09H0ocubG60ExUVvrIZkt3IbBN2MwaWWUt1NBSX5InUpVo&fs=e&s=cl

[MadDog2020]

Torts to Philly. Done deal.

[Satans Hockey]

On 6/15/2022 at 4:06 PM, MadDog2020 said:

Some of you guys really need to back away from the ledge on some of these takes. You’d think there was no talent on this roster whatsoever or nothing at all to build around. The ‘sky is falling through the ground’ takes get old after a while. You’d think we’re the fvcking Coyotes with the way some of you go on. 

Coyotes only made the playoffs 1 time since 2012 as well. Our dog sh!t team ain't that much different than them at this point.

I don't even feel like it's the sky is falling but until this team goes out and proves it's not dog sh!t I won't be holding my breath. The team sent out an email asking what we think of the team going forward, "extremely pessimistic" was an option and that's what I picked.

I'm sick of watching losing hockey for a decade. If there is no progress next season we need to really clean house again. I definitely admit I'm getting more and more like @DevsMan84in thinking that our owners really don't give a sh!t. 

Edited June 17 by Satans Hockey

[Nicomo]

[Devil Dan 56]

2 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Add to that the fact that he was very unlikely to clear. He had bounced around a lot but there’s always a taker. Everyone knows post-COVID you need a third goalie option, and Wedgewood was perfect for that, semi-reliable at a very low cost. 

I think the NHL needs to revise the waiver rules for a third goalie in the future. Teams should be able to have a designated 3rd goalie that can be called up without risking waivers for sending them back down, especially considering how many Ebugs have been dressing the last few years. 

[mfitz804]

20 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

I think the NHL needs to revise the waiver rules for a third goalie in the future. Teams should be able to have a designated 3rd goalie that can be called up without risking waivers for sending them back down, especially considering how many Ebugs have been dressing the last few years. 

Agreed. 

[MB3]

1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

Would you take 4 years of Weber’s $7m+ contract for Evgeni Dadonov?

https://thehockeynews.com/news/canadiens-trade-shea-webers-contract-to-golden-knights-for-evgeni-dadonov?fbclid=IwAR0OcIu6E-LWk09H0ocubG60ExUVvrIZkt3IbBN2MwaWWUt1NBSX5InUpVo&fs=e&s=cl

weber will be LTIR’ed, so this move was essentially just getting Dadanov’s $5m off the books. And nah, in 2023 I don’t think i want Dadanov on my team at all. 33 years old, scored 20 goals but it was on a loaded Vegas line and he literally does not play defense. 

vegas tried to trade him at the deadline. he’s just not a quality player any more. 

[MB3]

1 hour ago, Satans Hockey said:

Coyotes only made the playoffs 1 time since 2012 as well. Our dog sh!t team ain't that much different than them at this point.

I don't even feel like it's the sky is falling but until this team goes out and proves it's not dog sh!t I won't be holding my breath. The team sent out an email asking what we think of the team going forward, "extremely pessimistic" was an option and that's what I picked.

I'm sick of watching losing hockey for a decade. If there is no progress next season we need to really clean house again. I definitely admit I'm getting more and more like @DevsMan84in thinking that our owners really don't give a sh!t. 

the devils and the coyotes “ain’t that much different” if you choose to literally only look at season results. the coyotes are entirely devoid of talent on their NHL and AHL roster. their prospect pool is one of the worst in the nhl. they finally have several draft picks this year, but haven’t been drafting at all the past few years because of horrible trades and idiotic mistakes. 

the coyotes are in the position NJ was in in like 2014. the devils are building something great. even the cynic in me can’t see a similarity between the franchises.