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5 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Starting with the Dodgers stuff in Citi, the Mets have gobbled up pre-1957 NY NL history as theirs to represent, as they see fit.  And yeah, that’s going to open them up to some criticism for sure…even from their own fans.

Definitely. Although, I am sure to some older fans, it is more meaningful. My father was a big Brooklyn Dodgers fan and avid Yankees hater. When the Dodgers moved, it might have killed his love of baseball completely, as following anything other than your local team was pretty hard at that point in time. 

The Mets bringing NL baseball back to New York was exactly what he needed and he was a Mets fan from 1962. For him, going to Citi Field and seeing the Jackie Robinson/Brooklyn Dodgers stuff was probably much different than it was for me. 

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Tyce Thompson’s brother just got a 7 year, $7.14m per extension. 

That’s a lot of money off one season, good for him. 

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On 8/29/2022 at 10:05 AM, mfitz804 said:

Definitely. Although, I am sure to some older fans, it is more meaningful. My father was a big Brooklyn Dodgers fan and avid Yankees hater. When the Dodgers moved, it might have killed his love of baseball completely, as following anything other than your local team was pretty hard at that point in time. 

The Mets bringing NL baseball back to New York was exactly what he needed and he was a Mets fan from 1962. For him, going to Citi Field and seeing the Jackie Robinson/Brooklyn Dodgers stuff was probably much different than it was for me. 

Count me a Brooklyn Dodgers fans, although I was really young. At the time they had 3 MLB teams in triple-state area. My oldest brother had a B.D. penant on his wall. Loved Koufax/Drysdale, Camponella etc. 

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2 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said:

They better hope that wasn't a 1 year fluke, never scored more than 8 goals previously 

Exactly. That’s a big investment based off of one season. On the other hand he is a skating giraffe and that’s kind of cool. 

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2 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

Our ears also endured months of abuse.

I wouldn't bother her on social media with nasty comments but she's absolutely awful at her job which is calling games. She called a few Devils games and got players names wrong numerous times.

 

Does the article mention that she constantly messed up players names and couldn’t seem to tell what was going on? Her gender has nothing to do with why many fans can’t stand her , but I’m sure fans attacked her for being a woman because social media is a cesspool. 

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24 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Does the article mention that she constantly messed up players names and couldn’t seem to tell what was going on? Her gender has nothing to do with why many fans can’t stand her , but I’m sure fans attacked her for being a woman because social media is a cesspool. 

You summed it up.  She was lousy at her job...that was the issue...her gender wasn't.  But the fact that she was a woman gives some of those who didn't like her on-air work one extra (unnecessary) thing to pick at...or to attempt to correlate her not being good at this particular job to the fact that she was indeed a woman.  

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42 minutes ago, Crisis said:

It doesn't matter how bad she was at her job, you just don't talk to people like that and I'm sure that's what the article is addressing.

I’ve gotta be honest….. it’s the internet. It’s twitter, specifically. I saw a guy post “Kill yourself.” in response to one of the podcaster I follow posting his golf swing. It’s no-filter 16 year old “edge lord” neckbeards.

I didn’t read the article, but she wasn’t hated because she was a woman. She was hated because she gave zero effort, had zero ability, had zero desire to get better, showed literally no interest in pronouncing half of the league’s names correctly, and was still gifted a high-paying seat on a hockey network because of her last name and seemingly nothing else. 

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41 minutes ago, MB3 said:

I’ve gotta be honest….. it’s the internet. It’s twitter, specifically. I saw a guy post “Kill yourself.” in response to one of the podcaster I follow posting his golf swing. It’s no-filter 16 year old “edge lord” neckbeards.

Happens everywhere. Even NJDevs lol. 
 

42 minutes ago, MB3 said:

I didn’t read the article, but she wasn’t hated because she was a woman. She was hated because she gave zero effort, had zero ability, had zero desire to get better, showed literally no interest in pronouncing half of the league’s names correctly, and was still gifted a high-paying seat on a hockey network because of her last name and seemingly nothing else. 

Not entirely the truth. Some people hated her for that reason. Many also went after her because she is a woman and they don’t think a woman should have that job because they don’t know anything about hockey. 

I didn’t read the article either (paywall) but I am fairly sure she isn’t complaining because people don’t like her voice, style or ability. 

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Idk, it just shows how deep the problem is rooted when the replies started with "well she sucks at her job, but.." like that somehow gives even the most microscopic shred of permission or justification for the way she was treated or the things that were said to her.  Criticism of her work is one thing and I don't think she could have gotten to where she is if reading "kill yourself" got to her.

Here is a snippet from the article for those that did not read it.

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A game in late April became a flashpoint. Hextall was stationed between the benches for a postseason preview featuring the Tampa Bay Lightning and Toronto Maple Leafs. Two players with iron knuckles began an animated discussion, yelling across the area where Hextall was standing.

The Lightning’s Pat Maroon was bellowing at the Leafs’ Wayne Simmonds, alleging both he and his Toronto teammates were soft. Sensing a story, Hextall requested to speak with Simmonds during her intermission segment. She smirked as she asked him about the exchange: “He called you ‘soft’ — my question is: Are you?”

“You should ask him,” Simmonds said. “We’ve never dropped the gloves. He’s never obliged me before. So I don’t know. I don’t think I’m the one that’s soft.”

That final snippet of the interview went viral online. An unverified Twitter account bearing the name of former NHL referee Tim Peel was harshly critical of Hextall: “Asking Wayne Simmons’s [sic] if he is soft might be one of the most ridiculous questions I have ever heard. Do your homework.”

“I’m just going to say it,” said Hextall. “If I was a man, I don’t think that’s what he would have done.”

The tweet picked up steam, and her question rocketed around the internet without any context.

“I know Wayne Simmonds isn’t soft,” said Hextall. “Wayne Simmonds knows he isn’t soft. I’m building on the drama of what’s been going on in the game, and I can’t help it that you didn’t watch the game and only saw the clip — that’s on you, not on me.”

 

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I wasn’t condoning how some chose to treat her, to be clear.  On any level.  She’s not the first commentator to not be good at her job and won’t be the last.  No reason to go any further than that, as far as criticizing her goes.

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5 minutes ago, Crisis said:

And I just want to be clear saying that I do not think that you guys are misogynistic pieces of sh!t.

There are many reasons I a could be called a piece of sh!t, but that isn’t one of them. 

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21 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

There are many reasons I a could be called a piece of sh!t, but that isn’t one of them. 

I'm not liking this because you aren't a misogynistic piece of sh!t, but because you are an incendiary piece of sh!t ❤️

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2 hours ago, Crisis said:

Idk, it just shows how deep the problem is rooted when the replies started with "well she sucks at her job, but.." like that somehow gives even the most microscopic shred of permission or justification for the way she was treated or the things that were said to her.  Criticism of her work is one thing and I don't think she could have gotten to where she is if reading "kill yourself" got to her.

Here is a snippet from the article for those that did not read it.

 

I’m sorry but that’s the snippet you go with? 

She asked wayne simmonds if he was soft. She got CLOWNED on by spittin chiclets. Whitney and Biz both have jobs in announcing and both called it an idiotic question. She was mocked everywhere.

That had nothing to do with her being a woman. Pretending like it does is missing the forest for the trees. 

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"I'm building the drama." no, you were doing a similar tactic as Jack Edwards and be so off-base you'd generate a response intentionally. NO ONE knew of the "incident" prior between Simmonds and Maroon, no one commented on it, not even her, until that question.

Another page from her book to build drama is to whisper when a team is working the cycle, as if the defense isn't seeing and she might spill the beans that they're going to score. That's not bad because of gender, that's bad journalism and broadcasting.

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7 hours ago, MB3 said:

I’m sorry but that’s the snippet you go with? 

She asked wayne simmonds if he was soft. She got CLOWNED on by spittin chiclets. Whitney and Biz both have jobs in announcing and both called it an idiotic question. She was mocked everywhere.

That had nothing to do with her being a woman. Pretending like it does is missing the forest for the trees. 

It wasn’t a serious question, in my opinion. She was looking to get a reaction from him. 

People tried to frame it as if she had no idea who he was or what he was all about. It doesn’t surprise me that Spittin’ Chiclets would see it differently, those guys are borderline retarded. 

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3 hours ago, jagknife said:

"I'm building the drama." no, you were doing a similar tactic as Jack Edwards and be so off-base you'd generate a response intentionally. NO ONE knew of the "incident" prior between Simmonds and Maroon, no one commented on it, not even her, until that question.

Another page from her book to build drama is to whisper when a team is working the cycle, as if the defense isn't seeing and she might spill the beans that they're going to score. That's not bad because of gender, that's bad journalism and broadcasting.

Jack Edwards is in his own, totally isolated universe of tone deafness and stupidity. 

Here are the videos of her standing between them when they were going at it and then the interview later asking Wayne if he was soft.  With context, I don't see why this is such a big deal.  She's trying to bring the interaction to focus and give the viewer another angle on the fire and competitiveness of the game.  I thought it was a fair call back, especially when they were about to meet in the playoffs. 

This is another story line that is actually happening and that's what brings viewers in.  This is EXACTLY what ESPN wants in their first year.  But let me be clear, I don't think that this is some new or special approach, and I'm not trying to advocate to give her a gold star for her edgy reporting.  However, I do think it's infinitely more dramatic to pull that one question out of context and make a big deal out of it to crucify her as inadequate at her job.  If Salvador did that, no one would be talking about.  Did that piece of sh!t Tim Peel blow it up because she's a woman?  She seems to think that.  I wouldn't know because I've never had to deal with any of the adversity she has faced.

 

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