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1 hour ago, jagknife said:

Dell on waivers, anyone else think this time tomorrow he’ll be a Devil again? Not saying we should, just have a feeling

If they grab him he has a smaller chance of hurting any of our players. Might be a good way to protect Nico.

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3 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

* I'm flabbergasted to see you out of all people having to rely on personal attack because you didn't agree with someone's opinion on here.

Man... hopefully this doesn't become a habit for you.

 

 

 

 

* says no one ever. 

 

 

Calling you insufferable isn’t a personal attack, it’s just a personality trait. You somehow boil every conversation down to “Lou sucks”. Lou hasn’t been here in… 7 years? I understand he left the cupboard bare but we’re 2 GMs later my dude.

Every GM says “give me 3 years to make the team mine.” 3 years! Lou doesn’t have his fingerprint on these new jersey devils, he simply doesn’t. The Devils are where they are because of asset mismanagement, trading 2nd-round picks for nearly-useless players like theyre fvcking tic-tacs. (Johansson, Subban, Gusev). They’re here because of major whiffs in the draft: Zacha instead of Werenski, McLeod instead of Chychrun. They’re no longer here because of Lou. And every time you mention Lou you get more insufferable. 

You mentioned Panarin, Trouba and Fox as a one-off, almost like it was inconsequential. The Devils don’t have a single player more valuable in their entire organization than Panarin and Fox, and only one player in their entire organization that’s on Trouba’s level. Those are 3 incredible, rebuild-stopping, team-changing bluechip players that wear a Rangers jersey because they play in New York City. Remove those 3 players and the Rangers are right the fvck next to the Devils (or looking up at us). Remove those 3 players and you’d be looking at the Miller draft pick like a proverbial knife in their throat. 

Aside from those players, I don’t see where the Rangers rebuild succeeded in any iota better than the Devils. The Devils also did a good job trading expiring players in their prime recently; Hall is a good example of a guy who wasn’t going to stick around netting Dawson Mercer who should be a Devil for a long time.

But you insist on bringing Lou into everything and it’s getting way past “old man shouts at cloud” and nearly approaching “old man needs to be hit by a bus.” Lou sold out for one last Cup run and it damn near worked. He signed a HoF type player who quit a year later. His home grown captain told him and everyone else he was staying in NJ, only to make plans to leave for minnesota while his team was in the middle of the Finals. Elias and Brodeur got old and useless. What else was he supposed to do? 

How is it possible that 7 years and 2 GMs later you’re trying to force him into the debate about the Rangers outpacing the Devils rebuild? It must be a fvcking nightmare being inside of your brain. 

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18 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

I'm with you on a lot of this and sure they are looking good right now but they missed the playoffs for 4 years straight(no I'm not counting that bs 2020 system where Carolina swept them in 3 games anyway) and they finished dead last in the division 17-18 and second to last in 18-19 and 19-20. 

They also had 7 straight misses from 97-98 to 03-04 while the Devils were winning some cups and making the playoffs every year. I know this team blows now and our situation sucks and I'm not making any excuses for it but the Rangers and Henrik had their window for a cup win, one we even stopped. I don't envy anything about the Rangers. Their color blue is putrid. 

The moral of my story is fvck the Rangers. 

All good, to me it's more about the 3 cups being such a distant memory it doesn't provide any comfort for me at this point. Not enough to overcome the stink of the last decade. Of course I'm glad they haven't won anything but I guess the bottom line is every year we say let's hope we play some meaningful second half games and we continue to swirl the drain for one reason or another.

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3 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Please stop. That's such a dishonest statement based on context. Panarin, Fox and Trouba were NOT on the roster when the Rangers made the decision to re-tool and sent that message to the fans. 

This was the roster they had when they decided to start re-tooling. 

They literally traded 10 players from their top 12 players in points from that season within a year, 10 out of their 12 top players. Let that sink in for a moment. They also traded their backup goalie from that year. Don't try to dismiss the balls it took to do that because of players they acquired literally 2-3 years later

 

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It’s not a dishonest statement. The Rangers have a long history of players wanting to go there. You think that didn’t factor in to their plans? That they wouldn’t have another Martin St Louis situation? And that they wouldn’t throw money at a free agent and let someone else take a garbage contract off their hands? They do it constantly. Throw money at a free agent, the contract becomes an albatross, they buy it out (or someone takes the bad contract) and they do it again. The Devils and Rangers operate in 2 different realities. The Rangers can trade away players and fill the spots back in, in a way the Devils can’t. 

Sure the Devils cupboard was bare, but they made a lot of moves that didn’t pan out in the last 7 years and they don’t have the margin for error to make it up in free agency or with a player demanding to be a Devil.

That is absolutely an advantage for the Rangers. Plus they can afford to risk being terrible for a couple of years. It doesn’t matter for them, the arena will still sell out. So yeah it took balls, in the same way taking your hands off the handlebars takes balls when you have training wheels. 

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1 hour ago, MB3 said:

Calling you insufferable isn’t a personal attack, it’s just a personality trait. You somehow boil every conversation down to “Lou sucks”. Lou hasn’t been here in… 7 years? I understand he left the cupboard bare but we’re 2 GMs later my dude.

Every GM says “give me 3 years to make the team mine.” 3 years! Lou doesn’t have his fingerprint on these new jersey devils, he simply doesn’t. The Devils are where they are because of asset mismanagement, trading 2nd-round picks for nearly-useless players like theyre fvcking tic-tacs. (Johansson, Subban, Gusev). They’re here because of major whiffs in the draft: Zacha instead of Werenski, McLeod instead of Chychrun. They’re no longer here because of Lou. And every time you mention Lou you get more insufferable. 

You mentioned Panarin, Trouba and Fox as a one-off, almost like it was inconsequential. The Devils don’t have a single player more valuable in their entire organization than Panarin and Fox, and only one player in their entire organization that’s on Trouba’s level. Those are 3 incredible, rebuild-stopping, team-changing bluechip players that wear a Rangers jersey because they play in New York City. Remove those 3 players and the Rangers are right the fvck next to the Devils (or looking up at us). Remove those 3 players and you’d be looking at the Miller draft pick like a proverbial knife in their throat. 

Aside from those players, I don’t see where the Rangers rebuild succeeded in any iota better than the Devils. The Devils also did a good job trading expiring players in their prime recently; Hall is a good example of a guy who wasn’t going to stick around netting Dawson Mercer who should be a Devil for a long time.

But you insist on bringing Lou into everything and it’s getting way past “old man shouts at cloud” and nearly approaching “old man needs to be hit by a bus.” Lou sold out for one last Cup run and it damn near worked. He signed a HoF type player who quit a year later. His home grown captain told him and everyone else he was staying in NJ, only to make plans to leave for minnesota while his team was in the middle of the Finals. Elias and Brodeur got old and useless. What else was he supposed to do? 

How is it possible that 7 years and 2 GMs later you’re trying to force him into the debate about the Rangers outpacing the Devils rebuild? It must be a fvcking nightmare being inside of your brain. 

I don't even know how to respond to this cause you wrote full paragraphs based on things i either didn't even say or things I agreed with. 

That's a sign of someone who's not trying to understand what i'm saying and just reading to respond and argue. 

Truth is, you guys are just too stubborn and biased to see nuances in this conversation. I acknowledge like... 5-6 times by now that the Rangers were advantaged big time by being a destination. I made that point in my original post.

As for Lou, how can you compare 2 rebuilds and not address what the team was when it started and what initiated the rebuild. And what our team was is 100% due to Lou and his bad decisions. I KNOW you koolaid drinkers would rather jump off a bridge rather than admit that Lou fvcked up, but you can't talk about the reason we had to rebuild, what the other GMs had to work with and not bring up why. Come on now. Bringing up the whole "you always bring up Lou sucks bla bla bla" is just a lame way to discredit my argument, which you can't argue against. Also hilarious how to frame how the end of his time in NJ went. Talk about being delusional and re-writing history. Even asking what else he was supposed to do when i said it a thousand times.

And no, no GM takes the 2015 Devils and make that team theirs. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

It’s not a dishonest statement. The Rangers have a long history of players wanting to go there. You think that didn’t factor in to their plans? That they wouldn’t have another Martin St Louis situation? And that they wouldn’t throw money at a free agent and let someone else take a garbage contract off their hands? They do it constantly. Throw money at a free agent, the contract becomes an albatross, they buy it out (or someone takes the bad contract) and they do it again. The Devils and Rangers operate in 2 different realities. The Rangers can trade away players and fill the spots back in, in a way the Devils can’t. 

Sure the Devils cupboard was bare, but they made a lot of moves that didn’t pan out in the last 7 years and they don’t have the margin for error to make it up in free agency or with a player demanding to be a Devil.

That is absolutely an advantage for the Rangers. Plus they can afford to risk being terrible for a couple of years. It doesn’t matter for them, the arena will still sell out. So yeah it took balls, in the same way taking your hands off the handlebars takes balls when you have training wheels. 

Did i ever say they didn't have an advantage? I said it about 10 times by now probably. What's wrong with you guys? I know damn well the Rangers always do this. It's frustrating and you just wonder how the players keep falling into that trap seeing how they ALWAYS get traded or bought out eventually. I acknowledged that countless times and i agree.

I'm just saying they made good decisions to start a rebuild at the right time in order to potentially get the best result. And that deserves some credits. And a good GM plays with his advantages and disadvantages. That's part of it. So you know... if you know players want to go to your team, you can have some flexibility there. But then, if players dont want to go to your team... then dont systematically let your top players walk directly into free agency so that you can lose them for nothing. 

You're not willing to give them credit for understanding it was time to re-tool, sending a message to the fans and blowing things up by trading 10 players out of their top 12 in scoring, plus their backup. All within a year. To you that's not a good thing? They should have just... keep on trying with a group that wasn't getting it done?

All because historically they knew players wanted to go there.... probably?

Ive been more than fair here. The only people pushing back are people refusing to give any credits to the Rangers. Which i know sucks. But there's a blind bias at play there, its that obvious.

 

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4 hours ago, devlman said:

The Rangers would not have suffered in their rebuild having Henrik be the backup (not #3 but the actual backup) for one more season. At that time, the Rags were not competing and Georgiev was not much better anyway and could have played a year in the AHL. 

Would it have served the club slighltly better to have Georgiev up with the big club to get experience? Maybe but that’s the only price the Rangers would have paid to let Henrik go out on respectable terms. Having the backup Georgiev wait one more season would have been worth it in order to treat one of your greatest and loyal players properly and with respect. And besides, having Henrik around could have had benefits around the team in mentoring the younger players coming up. Not so off base at all. It’s all about how you want to treat your players.

Georgiev had just played his third NHL season, starting 30+ games in each of his second and third seasons.  The Rangers were not sending Georgiev to the AHL for a season so that a friggin’ 38-year-old who might not have much left could play ahead of him.  They were not giving Lundqvist starts at Shesterkin’s expense.  Yes, it was probably a tough decision for that franchise, but it was the right one.

The Rangers were also able to get some cap space back, for a guy who was never going to live up to the value of that final season.  It’s not the travesty that want to make it.  It was a move made by a team that, in this particular situation, realized that it was time to move on.

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12 minutes ago, point said:

Sorry, but this conversation has hit a dead end. Let's just move on, before the level of discourse devolves, OK?

It’s a civilized debate…neither one of us has personally attacked the other, and you’re not a mod.

That being said, yeah, I’ll agree to disagree with devlman on this particular debate.  

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32 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

absolute joke the game and weekend is still even on, while canadian teams are playing in empty buildings (yes I know that call is not the leagues). Can't fix stupid to how this league is run. 

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50 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

"tested positive" aka doesn't want to go to the stupid bullcrap all star game 😂

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1 hour ago, NJDevils1214 said:

"tested positive" aka doesn't want to go to the stupid bullcrap all star game 😂

Was going to say, doesn’t he like always get out of the All-Star game?

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31 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Totally braindead.

All he had to do was give the corporate bullsh!t answer I'm sure his PR team had him rehearse a dozen times. Instead, old fart felt compelled to speak his mind.

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3 hours ago, Devilsfan118 said:

Totally braindead.

All he had to do was give the corporate bullsh!t answer I'm sure his PR team had him rehearse a dozen times. Instead, old fart felt compelled to speak his mind.

AKA, his real feelings. Dude couldn’t care less about Kyle Beach or preventing that sh!t from happening again.

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