mfitz804 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, devlman said: How is that a minor penalty? Exactly the hit the league is trying to get out of the sport. Hope the league has the guts to give him a lengthy suspension He wasn’t suspended. https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/what-did-the-nhl-think-of-nathan-mackinnons-hit-on-nolan-patrick-2530903/amp/ Edited February 17, 2022 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: He wasn’t suspended. https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/what-did-the-nhl-think-of-nathan-mackinnons-hit-on-nolan-patrick-2530903/amp/ I honestly don’t know anymore then. That’s textbook Exhibit A hit to the head. Only thing I can think of is the League felt it was incidental. But, given the League’s history it’s more likely they are just bad at player safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, devlman said: I honestly don’t know anymore then. That’s textbook Exhibit A hit to the head. Only thing I can think of is the League felt it was incidental. But, given the League’s history it’s more likely they are just bad at player safety. The league has a terrible bias when it comes to star players. The same exact same hit from a 4th liner and from a top player are going to be treated differently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Not that it matters what i think. But the way i see it, i kind of don't really see it as a check to the head (eventhough contact is made to the head) so i understand why it was just a minor and no suspension, from that perspective They were skating along side each others in the same direction and Mac cut and leaned in front of him and its more like Nolan slammed his head in his shoulder. Doesn't look to me that the head was targeted necessarily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 There shouldn’t have been a hit at all, the puck was nowhere near them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, SterioDesign said: Not that it matters what i think. But the way i see it, i kind of don't really see it as a check to the head (eventhough contact is made to the head) so i understand why it was just a minor and no suspension, from that perspective They were skating along side each others in the same direction and Mac cut and leaned in front of him and its more like Nolan slammed his head in his shoulder. Doesn't look to me that the head was targeted necessarily Shouldn’t matter. You have to be in control of your actions out there. Careless and reckless is still grounds for suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, devlman said: Shouldn’t matter. You have to be in control of your actions out there. Careless and reckless is still grounds for suspension. Is that true? I can’t remember a guy getting suspended on those grounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Is that true? I can’t remember a guy getting suspended on those grounds Technically? I’m not sure lol. I would presume it’s like the high sticking penalty in that you have to be in control. Players have been suspended for accidentally boarding. But maybe intent has to be in play for suspensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 42 minutes ago, devlman said: Shouldn’t matter. You have to be in control of your actions out there. Careless and reckless is still grounds for suspension. 34 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Is that true? I can’t remember a guy getting suspended on those grounds 22 minutes ago, devlman said: Technically? I’m not sure lol. I would presume it’s like the high sticking penalty in that you have to be in control. Players have been suspended for accidentally boarding. But maybe intent has to be in play for suspensions. Yeah no that's not a thing at all lol It has to be clear that the head was targeted. Many times the head/face took a hit but it was deemed that it was not the primary point of contact / targeted and no suspension. Many time the shoulder get the chest first and eventually get the face, usually that's not a suspension. And that's primary why fans of the player taking the hit are losing their sh!t cause all they see is "IT WAS A HIT TO THE HEAD!!!!" and then they are convince the league is against them when there's no suspension. Truth is, they just don't get the rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I can’t recall a suspension ever being passed out for an accidental play. Not saying it’s never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I can’t recall a suspension ever being passed out for an accidental play. Not saying it’s never happened. yeah people are struggling with understanding the rules. Everytime there's a hit they either bring up "it was a hit to the head" ignoring that the head wasnt the primary point of contact. And they bring up "his skates left the ice", ignoring that the skate can leave the hit on impact and after. You just can't jump / launched into the player with a check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 MTL finally won a game with St-Louis behind the bench. I mean... what a weird move eh. The team / roster is insanely bad. They obviously need structure and experience in there. So they go and hire a guy who had a great career sure... but his only coaching experience was a few years coaching peewee. Going from Peewee to the NHL is a giant jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: yeah people are struggling with understanding the rules. Everytime there's a hit they either bring up "it was a hit to the head" ignoring that the head wasnt the primary point of contact. And they bring up "his skates left the ice", ignoring that the skate can leave the hit on impact and after. You just can't jump / launched into the player with a check. Well I’m pretty sure you aren’t allowed to shoulder a guy in the face away from the puck lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: MTL finally won a game with St-Louis behind the bench. I mean... what a weird move eh. The team / roster is insanely bad. They obviously need structure and experience in there. So they go and hire a guy who had a great career sure... but his only coaching experience was a few years coaching peewee. Going from Peewee to the NHL is a giant jump. Pretty much seems like “get the first guy who speaks French”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, SterioDesign said: Yeah no that's not a thing at all lol It has to be clear that the head was targeted. Many times the head/face took a hit but it was deemed that it was not the primary point of contact / targeted and no suspension. Many time the shoulder get the chest first and eventually get the face, usually that's not a suspension. And that's primary why fans of the player taking the hit are losing their sh!t cause all they see is "IT WAS A HIT TO THE HEAD!!!!" and then they are convince the league is against them when there's no suspension. Truth is, they just don't get the rules Well the rules are ridiculous if shouldering an opponent’s head, away from the puck, is not suspension worthy. Either way you slice it, the league’s Dept of Safety is a joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 6 hours ago, devlman said: Well the rules are ridiculous if shouldering an opponent’s head, away from the puck, is not suspension worthy. Either way you slice it, the league’s Dept of Safety is a joke. That is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Good, scumbag. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: Good, scumbag. Took them long enough. Official motion to change his name to Doucher as part of his punishment is renewed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 10 hours ago, devlman said: Well the rules are ridiculous if shouldering an opponent’s head, away from the puck, is not suspension worthy. Either way you slice it, the league’s Dept of Safety is a joke. well sure if you frame it "shouldering an opponent's head" it sounds bad. But that was more an accidental contact with the head on a hockey play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: well sure if you frame it "shouldering an opponent's head" it sounds bad. But that was more an accidental contact with the head on a hockey play. The contact wasn't accidental. And he stepped into it also. The contact was deliberate, do I think the head was targeted, probably not. I guess this is a good example of a reckless or careless play not being deemed suspension worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, mfitz804 said: The contact wasn't accidental. And he stepped into it also. The contact was deliberate, do I think the head was targeted, probably not. I guess this is a good example of a reckless or careless play not being deemed suspension worthy. Well to me it's interference with accidental contact to the head in the process. Which is precisely what was called i believe and why there's no suspension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: Well to me it's interference with accidental contact to the head in the process. Which is precisely what was called i believe and why there's no suspension I’ve watched it like 30 times now. I feel like MacKinnon held him back with his hand and then tried to step in front of him and cut him off. In the process of doing that, the shoulder made contact to the head. I think the hold back was one of those lame interference calls, and the step in front was REALLY interference. But neither was deliberate contact to Patrick’s rotted jack o lantern head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I’ve watched it like 30 times now. I feel like MacKinnon held him back with his hand and then tried to step in front of him and cut him off. In the process of doing that, the shoulder made contact to the head. I think the hold back was one of those lame interference calls, and the step in front was REALLY interference. But neither was deliberate contact to Patrick’s rotted jack o lantern head. Yeah you describe it pretty much like i see it or tried to explain it. Which comes to being an interference call / penalty (which he got). IF Mackinnon stepped in front of him and then stopped to push BACK towards him. Then MAYBE i'd say its intentional. Kind of like these examples provided by Pacioretty. OR if he cut in front of him really skating into a player targeting the head like Pacioretty did on Kris Letang here. Then i'd say thats a suspension But what i see is just an interference where Nolan ran his head into a shoulder that was passing by. Conclusion: No suspension for Nate, Max is a piece of sh!t and Nolan is fragile Edited February 18, 2022 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 58 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: But what i see is just an interference where Nolan ran his head into a shoulder that was passing by. Well its definitely not that. MacKinnon meant to apply the body to interfere with Patrick. Patrick didn't just randomly skate his head into a passing shoulder. What I don't believe he intended was head contact. But he intended contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Well its definitely not that. MacKinnon meant to apply the body to interfere with Patrick. Patrick didn't just randomly skate his head into a passing shoulder. What I don't believe he intended was head contact. But he intended contact. yeah well obviously since he grabbed him. But still not worthy of a suspension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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