2021 New York Mets Offseason Thread

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

6 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

To be fair a 4.3 ERA in the AL East might be 4 or 3.9 in most other divisions, but yeah at best it just comes off as not evaluating your own properly to do an about face a year later. They cashed in on him for Sean-Reid Foley and let Lucchesi and David Peterson be the #5 then had zero depth when Noah and Carrasco were out longer than expected.

What’s even more annoying is they arguably lost Noah and Loup over a couple million (and a second round pick in Noah’s case) then you turn around and overpay Matz?! Matz I’m fine with if money is no object and you bring in like five or six other pitchers with him but if that’s our key target this offseason, yikes. It’s like what they pulled with McCann last offseason, just throw a lot of money at a second tier option early.

It kinda feels like no matter what Sandy does, it's going to turn out badly for the Mets.  Just the reality.  

[NJDevs4978]

Matz to the Cardinals for 4 years, 44 million. If he signed with us I’d think that contract would blow up but the Cardinals know what they’re doing so he’ll probably look good there - especially in a bad division - and we’ll look like idiots as usual

[NJDevs4978]

Oh my

Now you have to start to wonder if we’re being blackballed, this is the second time this offseason the Mets didn’t get a chance to match a high bid 

Edited November 24, 2021 by NJDevs4978

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Yeah players don't want to come here right now.  I do feel like a bullet was dodged with Matz though...he's not that good (certainly wasn't all that good here), and there is serious blow-up potential with him.

But yeah, it's looking like the Mets are going to have build almost exclusively from within, and with what they already have.

And Cohen isn't helping matters with the tweets.  

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

And apparently Sandy is surprised how fast the market is moving...of course you are Sandy!  This is what happens when you're always the last one to roll out of bed, and forever the last to know.

All I gotta say is if there's a protracted lockout that eats into the upcoming season, it will become very easy for me to turn my back on MLB.  The game (for reasons well-documented) is no longer nearly as entertaining as it was.  And with Cohen finding out that money can buy you into the club but can't necessarily buy you anything else if no one's interested in being a part of your organization, it looks like the Mets are going to be screwed for many years...like I said, they'd better hit on a ton of picks going forward (and then hope that they're willing to stick around once their team-controlled years are up).  We're in a weird place...the Mets might be the richest "Have Not" franchise ever.

[NJDevs4978]

3 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

And apparently Sandy is surprised how fast the market is moving...of course you are Sandy!  This is what happens when you're always the last one to roll out of bed, and forever the last to know.

All I gotta say is if there's a protracted lockout that eats into the upcoming season, it will become very easy for me to turn my back on MLB.  The game (for reasons well-documented) is no longer nearly as entertaining as it was.  And with Cohen finding out that money can buy you into the club but can't necessarily buy you anything else if no one's interested in being a part of your organization, it looks like the Mets are going to be screwed for many years...like I said, they'd better hit on a ton of picks going forward (and then hope that they're willing to stick around once their team-controlled years are up).  We're in a weird place...the Mets might be the richest "Have Not" franchise ever.

Well since the Knicks anyway, but yeah fvcking figures we have paupers for owners in a decade where people were dying to take our money then when we get the richest man in sports suddenly money isn’t as big a plus as it used to be

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

10 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Well since the Knicks anyway, but yeah fvcking figures we have paupers for owners in a decade where people were dying to take our money then when we get the richest man in sports suddenly money isn’t as big a plus as it used to be

I think a good chunk of it stems from the fact that the Mets appear to be as bumbling and incompetent as ever.  I think the new owner thought money was going to fix everything (and I admit it, I thought Cohen's money would help tons in that regard).  And the Knicks are a good comparison, in that "Cohen" in the baseball world is what "Dolan" is in the basketball world.  Cohen's owner the team for a year and he's already considered to be so toxic in many circles that people don't care about New York (and the occasional glamour that can come with it)...they'd just rather steer completely clear.  We've been over it, but Misstep #1 was definitely bringing in Alderson.  It really does feel like the other dominoes don't fall the way that they did if Cohen had hired someone else.

Edited November 24, 2021 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[NJDevs4978]

Steve’s not keeping this one under his hat

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by NJDevs4978

[NJDevs4978]

2 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

And apparently Sandy is surprised how fast the market is moving...of course you are Sandy!  This is what happens when you're always the last one to roll out of bed, and forever the last to know.

All I gotta say is if there's a protracted lockout that eats into the upcoming season, it will become very easy for me to turn my back on MLB.  The game (for reasons well-documented) is no longer nearly as entertaining as it was.  And with Cohen finding out that money can buy you into the club but can't necessarily buy you anything else if no one's interested in being a part of your organization, it looks like the Mets are going to be screwed for many years...like I said, they'd better hit on a ton of picks going forward (and then hope that they're willing to stick around once their team-controlled years are up).  We're in a weird place...the Mets might be the richest "Have Not" franchise ever.

It is odd that the pitching market is moving fast while the hitting market is standing still, but yeah it would have been easier to keep up if it didn’t take us forever to get a GM

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 hour ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Steve’s not keeping this one under his hat

 

I get that he's pissed/frustrated/feeling some betrayal whatever, but he has to take a look at how his franchise is being perceived...partly because he tweets and/or speaks so freely.  Sure, in a way that can absolutely be refreshing, letting the fanbase and everyone else know how you really feel, but in this case, it feels like a desperation move:  "See it's not us we're really not so bad, please somebody come take our money!"  It's this kind of stuff that's probably a turn-off to anyone considering coming aboard.

And sure, it sucks when it happens, but guess what Steve...sh!t like this can and will happen, in pro sports.  Teams sometimes get jilted at the altar.  All you can do is move on and find someone else.

Speaking of, wonder if Alderson/Eppler/whoever the fvck actually calls the shots around here says screw it, and makes Stroman an offer he can't refuse (read:  massive overpayment not to lose the one guy who actually stayed healthy last year).  Kind of a scary thought...Stroman's not really that great (usually gives up his fair share of hits), and he's now in his 30s.  But if you're a team where supposedly money's not much of an object, guess you can afford to overpay for Stroman-types.  

Edited November 24, 2021 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[NJDevs4978]

All of Stroman's yapping on Twitter seems to indicate that he doesn't really think the Mets will be the highest offer.  But yeah I do think we'll overpay someone (besides Baez who's seemingly a bad contract in the making).  God knows the Mets could use half a dozen pitchers to replace Stroman, Noah and Loup as well as the holes they already had.

I do think Cohen's outbursts over the Matz thing is a collective frustration over being shut down at every turn - the POBO/GM search, the Bauer and Kumar Rocker nonsense last year, everyone jumping ship this offseason - and being treated like some kind of leper over it.  

Edited November 24, 2021 by NJDevs4978

['7']

The Loup loss sucks. Kind of shows too that it may be an abandon ship mindset in Major League Baseball with the Mets. That the organization even post Wilpons is poison. He was a nice find with an established enough track record that I don't feel he's one of those good year/bad year wild card type relievers. Loup is good

Steve Cohen apparently is frustrated and ranted a bit on twitter. I can understand him feeling that way...we all do. But as an owner you have to be above the fray. Not whining on twitter

I wasn't keen on bringing Matz back, but would've accepted it. If we did I can almost guarantee he wouldn't have even made 20 starts next season.

[NJDevs4978]

Mets sign Eduardo Escobar in an actual deal that doesn’t suck - 2 years, $20 million for a presumed stopgap 3B until Baty matures

Now Mark Canha too. At least they’re getting a couple things done before the labor freeze I suppose

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by NJDevs4978

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Sandy hitter for sure.  Doesn’t get on base much and strikes out a lot, but has power.  It’s ok.

[NJDevs4978]

I’m still waiting for some pitching but HOT DAMN they did a lot with the offense in one night 

 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

The Mets just signed Marte up for his Age 33 - 37 seasons.  This has some blowup potential, but he has been a fine hitter, and of course can play his position quite well.  Just hope that he can avoid a decline for at least the first couple of years.

 

['7']

Marte is coming off his best pro season...but you wonder is it last gasp to earn that deal and put it on cruise control or will he actually play up to potential? Kind of reminds me a bit of when we brought Granderson in. Granderson looked outright finished his first few months as a Met but then turned into a solid player and ended up having a good stint with us. With Marte...he's fast, gets on base, some power, not alot. But a good solid player. I just hope the decline is swift. Just give us two solid seasons here and we'll take it from there.

['7']

This is something else. Wow

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

This is what ya gotta do to an extent…flex your financial muscle.  Won’t always work, but no one can say that they didn’t try.

[NJDevs4978]

Well we'll see...we heard this same stuff with (ick) Bauer last year.  But it does seem like at the very least the Mets are throwing their money on the table.

FWIW Gausman to the Blue Jays for 5 years $110 million, Gray to Texas...the secondary options other than Stroman (who's been blowtorching bridges on Twitter) are going by the boards so it's all in I guess.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

The Mets really have nothing but money to offer Scherzer…if I’m him, no way do I believe that the Mets represent my best chance to win.  

[NJDevs4978]

21 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

The Mets really have nothing but money to offer Scherzer…if I’m him, no way do I believe that the Mets represent my best chance to win.  

And years...apparently the whispers are it's gonna be at least 3 years and possibly 4...for a 37-year old Scherzer.  But hey in terms of worrying about the payroll we're not in Kansas anymore, toto.

Edited November 29, 2021 by NJDevs4978

[MadDog2020]

 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

We’ll see.  These things do sometimes fall apart at the last second.  

[NJDevs4978]

I mean we gotta know at this point he's basically begging the Dodgers and/or Giants to up their offer, hopefully this is more Beltran 2.0 than Bauer 2.0 (and bear in mind Scherzer's position with the union makes it doubly hard to turn down the most money) but it just seems to be our forever lot that we can never count on something until it's actually done