Coaching issues and how to fix them

[hrasvalg]

7 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Whatever, that's like the same thing lol. All I know is his name is awesome if you say it in the Swedish Chef accent. 

He has said in interviews before that he want to coach an NHL team 

And he has a wife from salt lake city and he have double citizenship (Swedish and American) he looked for a coaching job in NHL before signing for the Switzs team, his wife want to move back to the states.

He won the world junior championship as an assistant coach. And he won the world championship two times as head coach and one time as an assistant.

[NJDfan1711]

On 12/3/2021 at 9:42 AM, Devil Dan 56 said:

I’ve always been of the belief that you hire the coach and then let him make the coaching decisions, including who he chooses for the coaching staff. If you don’t trust your head coach to make those decisions, why even hire him? 

 

100%. You'd have to think it's trust or control issue.  It's no different from any organization or company. I'm a director for a large organization across the country and I manage a small team of people - my boss doesn't tell me who to hire and how to run my department. If he did, he wouldn't need me and could do it himself. You have to trust people to make the right decisions and give them the opportunity and ability to succeed.  

[Nicomo]

44 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

Apparently John Tortorella is trending in the Devils fan twitterverse.  No thank you. 

I would know how Sterio felt the day we traded for PK if this happens lol. 

[MadDog2020]

1 hour ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

Apparently John Tortorella is trending in the Devils fan twitterverse.  No thank you. 

Torts has won and had success pretty much everywhere he’s been. Hate him all you want, the guy can coach. 

[RunninWithTheDevil]

15 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Torts has won and had success pretty much everywhere he’s been. Hate him all you want, the guy can coach. 

Not sure I want a volatile grump like Torts behind the bench when most of our team can't even grow a beard yet

[MadDog2020]

2 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

Not sure I want a volatile grump like Torts behind the bench when most of our team can't even grow a beard yet

Yeah he’s not the best choice for a young team. But I want accountability (because there seems to be not enough right now), and one thing with Torts is he will hold your ass accountable. Although I admit we probably need someone with a better bedside manner than Torts with such a young group. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by MadDog2020

[RunninWithTheDevil]

5 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Yeah he’s not the best choice for a young team. But I want accountability (because there seems to be not enough right now), and one thing with Torts is he will hold your ass accountable. Although I admit we probably need someone with a better bedside manner than Torts with such a young group. 

Exactly. If you're looking to hold together a group of established players/veterans and get them into a system with some discipline, Torts is your guy. Not so much if you have a team full of younger players needing to build confidence through development

[NJDfan1711]

Wrong thread.

Edited December 7, 2021 by NJDfan1711

[Devil Dan 56]

10 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Yeah he’s not the best choice for a young team. But I want accountability (because there seems to be not enough right now), and one thing with Torts is he will hold your ass accountable. Although I admit we probably need someone with a better bedside manner than Torts with such a young group. 

If you go Torts you’re probably gonna need a “player’s” coach as an assistant to smooth things over from time to time. Torts likes to fire guys up and not everyone responds to that. The other downside is that act only lasts so long.

But oh would the press interactions be fun

[MadDog2020]

2 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

But oh would the press interactions be fun

Torts would show the in-house media team (apparently the only people allowed to cover this team) no mercy. I’d love to see the look on Torts’ face when Amanda asks him what he thinks about the power play looking ‘great’ after scoring the first power play goal in three weeks, and giving up 8. 

[SterioDesign]

4 hours ago, Nicomo said:

I would know how Sterio felt the day we traded for PK if this happens lol. 

i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy

[RunninWithTheDevil]

I'd hire Patrick fvckin Warburton at this point

[jagknife]

2 hours ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

If you go Torts you’re probably gonna need a “player’s” coach as an assistant to smooth things over from time to time. Torts likes to fire guys up and not everyone responds to that. The other downside is that act only lasts so long.

But oh would the press interactions be fun

Oh good, we’re chalk full of those eunuchs currently, especially the ones who have castrated our special teams.

Fitz let them stay before, might as well keep the trend so his best buddy can build on his legacy as a sh!t player (nASS)

Dougie and Jack are the only two I care about their opinion on a head coach, the rest can duck off.

[Pepperkorn]

Oy. I’m kind of so relaxed and chill about hockey these days … do I even want to venture near the event horizon of this rabbit hole?   (Yeah, some major mixed metaphors here what of it?)

[Pepperkorn]

OK. I will say - when you go bonkers picking winning coaches willynilly - well. You kind of get a Rangers kind of thing going. You’re not building a foundation for ongoing consistency.   I’m torn. I can’t focus because all that runs through my mind is "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds“. 
 

maybe what I’m trying to say is “fvck Tortarella”. And notice everyone started calling him the Fonz for a while. That was my husbands thing. No one said it before that. I swear someone stole so much of my material back in the day …

[MadDog2020]

He looks like he’s enjoying life right now…. But this guy should be behind our bench right now in some capacity.

[Fansinz88]

I love that guy 

[Fansinz88]

I will take tortorella in a second of the garbage we have at the moment. Try to get something out of this group before it has to be blown up again. 

[DevsMan84]

So right now I am in the mindset where the only way to fix the coaching issues is to fire all 3 of them.  After last night, I want Ruff gone.

In 5v5, guys like McLeod and Bastian had more minutes than Hughes and Bratt.  That's Brent Sutter level of inexcusable ineptitude.  Why does Ruff feel necessary to have McLeod take literally EVERY SINGLE D-ZONE FACEOFF regardless of which line is one?  It's penny-wise, pound-foolish thinking that is killing this team in addition to the absolute dog-sh!t special teams from the assistant coaches.

I really wonder how long it will take to get these clowns fired.  Fitz can throw any sort of good-will he banked with the fans in the next few days if the Three Stooges preside over a series of continuing losses.

[Chimaira_Devil_#9]

https://www.nhl.com/devils/news/meeting-of-the-minds--blog/c-328746160

Quote from the article:

The back-and-forth element of the time spent between coach and player(s) is vital. These meetings are focused on understanding, on learning by both parties.

"It's not, you should do this. It's you really want to understand what they're seeing from their perspective as well. Inside our system, there are things that you must do this. But sometimes, you know, you'll understand the read they had because of you know, either the touch we were getting, or maybe it was a 50/50 touch on a puck and you'll understand why they went to certain place. And sometimes it's vocalized on the ice where we don't hear it."

I read this and was like what the fvck is he talking about. It's a statement that sums this team up. A bit all over the place and not overly commited. 

[MadDog2020]

12 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

https://www.nhl.com/devils/news/meeting-of-the-minds--blog/c-328746160

Quote from the article:

The back-and-forth element of the time spent between coach and player(s) is vital. These meetings are focused on understanding, on learning by both parties.

"It's not, you should do this. It's you really want to understand what they're seeing from their perspective as well. Inside our system, there are things that you must do this. But sometimes, you know, you'll understand the read they had because of you know, either the touch we were getting, or maybe it was a 50/50 touch on a puck and you'll understand why they went to certain place. And sometimes it's vocalized on the ice where we don't hear it."

I read this and was like what the fvck is he talking about. It's a statement that sums this team up. A bit all over the place and not overly commited. 

This is not helping anyone’s cause for keeping their job.

[Fansinz88]

But yet they still will. Fitzgerald is really disappointing me and turning into the say nothing do nothing gm we have come to be too accustomed to. Just another disaster year by early December. 

[Devil Dan 56]

1 hour ago, MadDog2020 said:

He looks like he’s enjoying life right now…. But this guy should be behind our bench right now in some capacity.

He looks so happy and relaxed. I would never wish him to be involved in this current disaster, only if it’s part of a total replacement of the three-headed derp. 

[Chimaira_Devil_#9]

25 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

This is not helping anyone’s cause for keeping their job.

There are just too many young guys on this team that need to be told what to do and when. 

[Devil Dan 56]

49 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

https://www.nhl.com/devils/news/meeting-of-the-minds--blog/c-328746160

Quote from the article:

The back-and-forth element of the time spent between coach and player(s) is vital. These meetings are focused on understanding, on learning by both parties.

"It's not, you should do this. It's you really want to understand what they're seeing from their perspective as well. Inside our system, there are things that you must do this. But sometimes, you know, you'll understand the read they had because of you know, either the touch we were getting, or maybe it was a 50/50 touch on a puck and you'll understand why they went to certain place. And sometimes it's vocalized on the ice where we don't hear it."

I read this and was like what the fvck is he talking about. It's a statement that sums this team up. A bit all over the place and not overly commited. 

I feel like it SHOULD be “you should do this”. This mess seems to involve no accountability. So if someone reads a play wrong, or is totally out of position, the staff basically just listens to their excuse? 

What was Siegenthalers excuse for leaving the front of the net wide open when Severson and Bernier fumbled the puck against Winnipeg??