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3 minutes ago, slasher72 said:

These were my favorites lol. Pure gold. 

Zacha's upside > Barzal. Barzal's ceiling is lower...

The forward we'll get will likely be our best forward in 2-3 years no matter what....

There are not Zacha's in every draft. Find a 6'3 big mean bastard that can fly and has his shot in every draft....

 

 

Side note, I liked Merkley being Barzal 2.0 lol. 

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On 1/14/2022 at 1:02 PM, Devil Dan 56 said:

Eh win some lose some. It sucks but the draft is such a crap shoot (that we don’t win much). Both Barzal and Zacha pretty much went where they were expected in the draft and that’s what most people were saying, which is that Barzal was in the 10-20 range for a reason. Whatever that reason was, he clearly overcame it and made people look foolish for skipping him (including the Bruins 3 times). Zacha unfortunately is a lot like his agent Stefan. Loads of talent but major motivation issues. Such a waste

I remember people being ecstatic about Zacha because Crouse looked like a Conte wet dream and some of us were sure that was where we’d go

In a draft where there it ended up being 8 winners and 2 losers in the top 10 and we are one of the two, it hurts quite a bit.  Kinda feels like we lost that crap shoot while playing with loaded dice.

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52 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

In a draft where there it ended up being 8 winners and 2 losers in the top 10 and we are one of the two, it hurts quite a bit.  Kinda feels like we lost that crap shoot while playing with loaded dice.

Could be worse. Could be Boston, with 3 consecutive mid-round picks in the best draft in NHL history, and go off-board with "wtf picks" like Zboril-DeBrusk-Senyshyn (directly before Kyle Connor, Matthew Barzal, Thomas Chabot, Ilya Samsonov, Brock Boeser, Travis Konecny.......)

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21 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Could be worse. Could be Boston, with 3 consecutive mid-round picks in the best draft in NHL history, and go off-board with "wtf picks" like Zboril-DeBrusk-Senyshyn (directly before Kyle Connor, Matthew Barzal, Thomas Chabot, Ilya Samsonov, Brock Boeser, Travis Konecny.......)

The only reason Don Sweeney didn’t lose his job for that is because the Bruins were right in the middle of their window. 

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1 hour ago, DevsMan84 said:

In a draft where there it ended up being 8 winners and 2 losers in the top 10 and we are one of the two, it hurts quite a bit.  Kinda feels like we lost that crap shoot while playing with loaded dice.

The good news is that Zacha's done just enough over the last three seasons (and there's those 84 games of course) that some team who thinks they can get more out of him might be willing to give up something decent for him, if it comes to that.  Of course that means signing him to another deal (doubt his RFA rights alone would bring much back, especially if he doesn't ever pick it back up this year)...still very curious to see if the Devils let this get to arbitration, and if they don't, what they sign him to...more and more, I feel like it's going to be two years...a final "Show Us Already!" deal that should be movable.      

With the lack of games lately, it's really hard to try to decide what the hell Zacha is...is this 20 games just a brutal slump?  Is the 84-game sample of production that came before just the ultimate tease, in a career that's seen its fair share of teases?

At any rate, Zacha should have about 380 GP or so by the end of this season, heading into his Age 25 season...I'm sure some would like to continue to be patient with him, but if doesn't get back on track by the end of the season, I say it's time to move on.  I know it's not like the Devils have tons of Top-6 forwards in their system, but when do you say enough is enough?  When does a guy stop being an intriguing prospect with upside, and simply is who he is?  How long does a guy get to stick around and never consistently take steps?  Six seasons seems like it's enough to decide if this guy should be in the Devils' plans...if anything, I hope behind the scenes someone, anyone (Fitz, Ruff, etc) is telling this kid "We really need to start seeing more from you, now!"  

  

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8 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

The good news is that Zacha's done just enough over the last three seasons (and there's those 84 games of course) that some team who thinks they can get more out of him might be willing to give up something decent for him, if it comes to that.  Of course that means signing him to another deal (doubt his RFA rights alone would bring much back, especially if he doesn't ever pick it back up this year)...still very curious to see if the Devils let this get to arbitration, and if they don't, what they sign him to...more and more, I feel like it's going to be two years...a final "Show Us Already!" deal that should be movable.      

With the lack of games lately, it's really hard to try to decide what the hell Zacha is...is this 20 games just a brutal slump?  Is the 84-game sample of production that came before just the ultimate tease, in a career that's seen its fair share of teases?

At any rate, Zacha should have about 380 GP or so by the end of this season, heading into his Age 25 season...I'm sure some would like to continue to be patient with him, but if doesn't get back on track by the end of the season, I say it's time to move on.  I know it's not like the Devils have tons of Top-6 forwards in their system, but when do you say enough is enough?  When does a guy stop being an intriguing prospect with upside, and simply is who he is?  How long does a guy get to stick around and never consistently take steps?  Six seasons seems like it's enough to decide if this guy should be in the Devils' plans...if anything, I hope behind the scenes someone, anyone (Fitz, Ruff, etc) is telling this kid "We really need to start seeing more from you, now!"  

  

I agree with all of this, except insinuating he is a top 6 forward. 

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Zacha is top six forward when he is on. When he is off he isn’t an NHL forward. He will never be physically involved and this is what devils needs in top six(and bottom six too). 
Time to capitalize Pavel, give him time in pp1 brigade and trade him after another hot streak. Hischier looks more open for play and more independent when he did play with fourth liners Bastian and Vesey because they can do some board work.

I was PZ protector all the time before, but even if he will hit 50+ he will never be a player, that will really help Nico or Jack on the ice. He doesn’t play on boards, he doesn’t drive the play, he is close to be ghost in own zone. Sorry, but we are trying to go on the another level. 

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7 minutes ago, Guadana said:

Zacha is top six forward when he is on. When he is off he isn’t an NHL forward.

So, like for an 80 game period and not for the rest of his career. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

I agree with all of this, except insinuating he is a top 6 forward. 

He did produce like one for an extended period...doesn't mean that I think he's a lock to become a consistent one (or one who won't frustrate the hell out of his team's fanbase when he disappears) but he did just enough that I'm guessing even if the Devils gave up on him, there's a handful of teams that think he might still have it in him to be a second-liner.      

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6 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

So, like for an 80 game period and not for the rest of his career. 

I`m not tellin about periods, I`m tellin about his skill set.  Period of top-6 Zacha, period of lazy-shmazy-loosy Zacha. Well, I wait for period of traded Zacha.

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My Zacha-Signal was flashing, and I'm here and ready to argue. Why are people so eager to isolate his best stretch and then say "well aside from (this stretch) he stinks!". Isn't it more rational to compare stats from the early part of his career, where he clearly struggled with the physicality of the game and the pace of the game, to now?

He's at 350 games played. Here's how those splits work out:

Games 0-175: 21 goals, 39 assists, 60 points (.34 PPG, 28 pts/82)
Games 176-350: 42 goals, 57 assists, 99 points (.57 PPG, 46 pts/82)

But that might not even be enough convincing, how about the quality of his line?

His most consistent linemates for games 0-175:

  1. 2016-2017: Stefan Noesen, Jacob Josefson
  2. 2017-2018: Stefan Noesen, Miles Wood
  3. 2018-2019 (first half): Brett Seney, Drew Stafford (I mean Jesus fvcking Christ, guys)

His most consistent linemates for games 175-350

  1. 2018-2019 (second half): Jesper Bratt, Marcus Johansson
  2. 2019-2020: Jesper Bratt, Nikita Gusev
  3. 2020-2021: Nico Hischier, Jesper Bratt
  4. 2021-2022: Nico Hischier, Jesper Bratt/Tomas Tatar

Even if you think Zacha totally stagnates and has already reached his peak (you're dumb, but even if you're dumb), that's still a .57 PPG player. And if you don't think the Devils have room for a guy who will put up 19.7g and 27.6a over 82 games, you're way more optimistic about this dogsh!t franchise than I am. 

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