GDT: COYOTES @ DEVILS 1/19/22 7pm MSG+

[DevsMan84]

2 minutes ago, MB3 said:

From the big club: Hischier, Hughes, Mercer, Bratt, Hamilton are guys you build a team around. I’m willing to say Ty Smith is just having a bad sophomore season and will be in that list again.

Everyone else should go. Losing is a cancer and it spreads. Clean house as best you can. Trades, cuts, etc. Sign some good locker room guys at the tail end of their career for smaller roles who’ve won before and who can tell this team how to win. How would Severson tell Luke Hughes how to play for a winning hockey team? He has no idea. 

I don’t know what else to say about the coaching staff. People are calling these coyotes one of the worst non-expansion teams in NHL history, and they blew you out on your own ice. It’s so easy to look at the players and say “you stink”, but those devils players top-to-bottom are significantly more talented than Arizona. How can you even make an argument that there aren’t major, major issues with the coaching staff. Lindy Ruff looks checked out, please tell him publicly to fvck off. 

Goaltending is again a major, major issue. I don’t know what the answer is. Anybody you draft won’t be ready when this team is supposed to hit their stride. Free agency goaltenders are risky as hell and often blow up in your face. But the Devils are way too bad to use significant capital to acquire one. What a messy situation. 

Bobrovski is still getting the bulk of the work in Florida and they still owe him a lot of money for a long time. If the Devils have a pick around ~5 overall, is it worth it to trade for Spencer Knight? Do the Panthers even say yes? 

Hard to feel good about this team in any aspect.

Given that his draft year appears to be one of the weaker one, if we don't win the lottery then we absolutely trade that pick for more immediate help.  For your specific example, at this point I would say yes 100 times out of 100.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

10 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said:

Given that his draft year appears to be one of the weaker one, if we don't win the lottery then we absolutely trade that pick for more immediate help.  For your specific example, at this point I would say yes 100 times out of 100.

Me too.  He’s very young, yet won’t be starting from scratch.  Kind of a homecoming for him too (went to high school with my nephew, in Darien CT).  Probably won’t happen though.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[mfitz804]

9 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Me too.  He’s very young, yet won’t be starting from scratch.  Kind of a homecoming for him too (went to high school with my nephew, in Darien CT).  Probably won’t happen though.

I can’t imagine Knight is available, but I’d make that trade. 

[jagknife]

2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I can’t imagine Knight is available, but I’d make that trade. 

They are going to have to make a decision at some point with Bob long term and him both there. While I agree I doubt he’s available, Moe needs to be on the phone and calling. But he trusts Great Value Larry in net, I’m sure.

[Devil Dan 56]

39 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Fitz really is starting to look like Shero Part Deux...like Shero, he's capable of making good moves.  Like Shero, once seasons go awry, he doesn't seem to have any ability to do anything to address it.  In Shero's case, I understand it to an extent, in that it's not like he had a lot of pieces to try to move for something worthwhile.  But Fitz just sticking with this coaching staff that has basically shown next to nothing (one week of practice and a god-awful team waltzed into your building and wins by THREE GOALS?!), and not even attempting any kind of shakeup...it's a horrible look.

Blackwood is now a sub-.900 goalie over his last 60 GP or so.  Sucks when a prospect doesn't work out...yes, the D and the moron who's in charge of them can make life difficult for a goalie, but was the D all that much better when Blackwood first got the callup?  He put up .918 and .915 save%s in his first two seasons with the big club...and looked a hell of a lot better in doing it.  And yeah, I try not to over-analyze player quotes (and he may simply not be able to articulate well), but everything about him just screams "Needs to go as part of the loser purge" right now.

Last night was the end of my "patience rope".  I'm out of it.  Outside of the obvious guys who I think will and should be part of the plan going forward, everyone else can GTFO.  

Blackwood’s brain is fried. He needs someone who can take the load off so he can be a spot starter for a bit and get his head right. The defense is garbage and he’s basically been thrown out there and told “you need to be perfect or we lose”

He has the physical talent, but goaltending is mostly mental. If they don’t get him on the right track he’s gonna be in the “oh well” pile with Ahonen, Damphousse, Frazee, etc. 

I really don’t like Balckwood’s refusal to take responsibility though. Marty was like that at times but he had the resume to back it up. 

[jagknife]

4 minutes ago, MB3 said:

What if the panthers offered you Spencer Knight straight up for Jesper Bratt and Damon Severson at the deadline? They get a really good bottom pairing defenseman, a young stud forward and still roll with Bob in the playoffs?

Severson and a lottery protected (first or second pick) first?

I want to believe in Bratt’s renaissance, and people still believe in Severson’s “ability” 

[MadDog2020]

5 minutes ago, MB3 said:

What if the panthers offered you Spencer Knight straight up for Jesper Bratt and Damon Severson at the deadline? They get a really good bottom pairing defenseman, a young stud forward and still roll with Bob in the playoffs?

That is tempting, not gonna lie. But it would never happen.

[jagknife]

2 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Blackwood’s brain is fried. He needs someone who can take the load off so he can be a spot starter for a bit and get his head right. The defense is garbage and he’s basically been thrown out there and told “you need to be perfect or we lose”

He has the physical talent, but goaltending is mostly mental. If they don’t get him on the right track he’s gonna be in the “oh well” pile with Ahonen, Damphousse, Frazee, etc. 

I really don’t like Balckwood’s refusal to take responsibility though. Marty was like that at times but he had the resume to back it up. 

Hell even Jack Campbell is saying “I need to be better” when the team in front of him is being a bunch of choke artists. Yet Crapwood thinks he’s better than everyone and above such none sense 

[MadDog2020]

45 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Fitz really is starting to look like Shero Part Deux...like Shero, he's capable of making good moves.  Like Shero, once seasons go awry, he doesn't seem to have any ability to do anything to address it.  In Shero's case, I understand it to an extent, in that it's not like he had a lot of pieces to try to move for something worthwhile.  But Fitz just sticking with this coaching staff that has basically shown next to nothing (one week of practice and a god-awful team waltzed into your building and wins by THREE GOALS?!), and not even attempting any kind of shakeup...it's a horrible look.

And he CONTINUES to sit idle. I’m really beginning to lose faith.

[DevsMan84]

2 minutes ago, jagknife said:

Hell even Jack Campbell is saying “I need to be better” when the team in front of him is being a bunch of choke artists. Yet Crapwood thinks he’s better than everyone and above such none sense 

That's because he thinks he knows more than the others because he has done his "research."

[SterioDesign]

40 minutes ago, MB3 said:

What if the panthers offered you Spencer Knight straight up for Jesper Bratt and Damon Severson at the deadline? They get a really good bottom pairing defenseman, a young stud forward and still roll with Bob in the playoffs?

Are you aware that Spencer knight has a worse save % than Blackwood at the moment? And playing on a stacked team.... And you want to give Bratt for him?

 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

39 minutes ago, jagknife said:

They are going to have to make a decision at some point with Bob long term and him both there. While I agree I doubt he’s available, Moe needs to be on the phone and calling. But he trusts Great Value Larry in net, I’m sure.

Bob is 33 years old...there's no guarantee that he'll still be the #1 by the end of his deal, not to mention that he's been up and down in recent years.  The fact that he's been so solid this year means that the Panthers should be able to develop Knight at their own pace, which is a good thing, because it doesn't look like the kid (who's only 20 BTW) is truly ready for #1 or even #1B duty just yet.  He's a clear backup.

If all goes according to plan, Bob plays well enough to continue to be the #1 for at least two more years...at which point, a more experienced Knight gets more and more games...by the time Bob is entering his last season, Knight could very well be ready to play at least as many games as Bob, and once Bob's contract is up, Knight's ready to be the #1.

Panthers actually have this pretty well planned out...there's really no reason for them to trade Knight, if they firmly believe by the time he's 23 or 24, that he'll be ready to become a #1 for years to come.

 

7 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Are you aware that Spencer knight has a worse save % than Blackwood at the moment? And playing on a stacked team.... And you want to give Bratt for him?

Puny sample stuff...again, he's only 20 years old, with all of 19 NHL games under his belt.  But like I stated above, Florida has no reason to move him (unless it's for an insane return)...they can absolutely take their time with him and not ask him to do too much.  

[SterioDesign]

Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Puny sample stuff...again, he's only 20 years old, with all of 19 NHL games under his belt.  But like I stated above, Florida has no reason to move him (unless it's for an insane return)...they can absolutely take their time with him and not ask him to do too much.  

yeah but with those numbers we'd obviously be making a huge gamble. Trading for someone who SHOWED potential problems for a guy who's now pretty consistent. Not sure i make that move

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Just now, SterioDesign said:

yeah but with those numbers we'd obviously be making a huge gamble. Trading for someone who SHOWED potential problems for a guy who's now pretty consistent. Not sure i make that move

Yeah I don't think I would do it either.  Too risky.  I'd give up the pick though.

[mfitz804]

Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Yeah I don't think I would do it either.  Too risky.  I'd give up the pick though.

If I was 100% getting a stud goalie I would do it, but Knight is not 100%. 

[Devil Dan 56]

17 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Are you aware that Spencer knight has a worse save % than Blackwood at the moment? And playing on a stacked team.... And you want to give Bratt for him?

 

I agree. Trading for Knight right now puts us in the exact same position… with a young struggling goalie who needs veteran help. I like Knight but I wouldn’t send Bratt for him at the moment. 

[SterioDesign]

1 minute ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

I agree. Trading for Knight right now puts us in the exact same position… with a young struggling goalie who needs veteran help. I like Knight but I wouldn’t send Bratt for him at the moment. 

yeah and if Knight is currently struggling... throwing him behind our D corps in the Nas system is certainly not what's going to turn him around

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

If I was 100% getting a stud goalie I would do it, but Knight is not 100%. 

I'd give up Bratt and other pieces for an established star netminder, sure.  Knight could become that (he was picked where he was for a reason), but definitely not enough assurances for that yet.  But I think the goalie situation within the organization is questionable enough that I'd give up a high first-rounder for him...at least he's already playing in the NHL, and the Devils would be getting him before his Age 21 season.  You could do worse with a high first-rounder.  

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah and if Knight is currently struggling... throwing him behind our D corps in the Nas system is certainly not what's going to turn him around

If the Devils were ever to do something as bold as trading for Knight, they'd better clean out the Retread and the Loser Twins.  They've all outlived whatever miminal usefulness they ever had.

[mfitz804]

1 minute ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah and if Knight is currently struggling... throwing him behind our D corps in the Nas system is certainly not what's going to turn him around

I agree. I’m not sold on any young, unproven goalie being the answer for us. Even if Knight were obtained, we’d still need a veteran-ish goalie as a 1A-1b. 

I’m not sold on Blackwood suddenly being an awful goalie either. Something else is afoot, be it illness, injury, our Swiss cheese defense, or inadequate coaching. 

Last time I said this was about Cory Schneider, and it proved to be correct, he had a major injury. 

[mfitz804]

1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I'd give up Bratt and other pieces for an established star netminder, sure.  Knight could become that (he was picked where he was for a reason), but definitely not enough assurances for that yet.  But I think the goalie situation within the organization is questionable enough that I'd give up a high first-rounder for him...at least he's already playing in the NHL, and the Devils would be getting him before his Age 21 season.  You could do worse with a high first-rounder.  

Oh I would definitely trade for him, I mentioned that above. Just not Bratt. We need Bratt. As much as we like to think defense or goalies or coaching are “our problem”, our offense is also sh!t and clearly we need Jesper badly. 

I’d give them the other Jesper and a high first. 

[SterioDesign]

I'd totally trade our first round pick this year which should be pretty high and valuable for something this summer. The draft is not great this year. Hell Shane Wright who's projected first overall is projected to be a Nico Hischier at best basically. Which means we might get lucky and get "the best player of the draft" when its all said and done like a Makar or wtv. But still, we'Re at the poiint where we need to get young established talent if we can. We have assets to make that happen now.

Now if were in a position to land a lottery pick next year's draft though. You keep that pick cause Bedard and Mitchkov are the real deal

[Jerrydevil]

42 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

If I was 100% getting a stud goalie I would do it, but Knight is not 100%. 

You almost have to make these kinds of trades in a risky position. You have to make it worth Florida's while to deal Knight, and trading them two players that can help propel the Panthers to a championship is the kind of thing that might work. If I were Florida, I wouldn't do it for Severson and our first-round pick. Not a good enough return.

Edited January 20, 2022 by Jerrydevil

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

26 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

I'd totally trade our first round pick this year which should be pretty high and valuable for something this summer. The draft is not great this year. Hell Shane Wright who's projected first overall is projected to be a Nico Hischier at best basically. Which means we might get lucky and get "the best player of the draft" when its all said and done like a Makar or wtv. But still, we'Re at the poiint where we need to get young established talent if we can. We have assets to make that happen now.

Now if were in a position to land a lottery pick next year's draft though. You keep that pick cause Bedard and Mitchkov are the real deal

Then the pick isn't as valuable, unfortunately.

That being said, if Fitz was super-bullish on Knight being a possible long-term solution in net, I could see this year's first, next year's second, and a couple of Utes (maybe one of their goalies) to Florida for Knight.

I know this is just for kicks...I still don't see Florida making him available.  

[Jerrydevil]

4 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Then the pick isn't as valuable, unfortunately.

That being said, if Fitz was super-bullish on Knight being a possible long-term solution in net, I could see this year's first, next year's second, and a couple of Utes (maybe one of their goalies) to Florida for Knight.

I know this is just for kicks...I still don't see Florida making him available.  

Knight is an expensive option. There are cheaper ways to fix our goaltending problem. Hopefully our GM is turning over stones.