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What if the panthers offered you Spencer Knight straight up for Jesper Bratt and Damon Severson at the deadline? They get a really good bottom pairing defenseman, a young stud forward and still roll with Bob in the playoffs?

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2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I can’t imagine Knight is available, but I’d make that trade. 

They are going to have to make a decision at some point with Bob long term and him both there. While I agree I doubt he’s available, Moe needs to be on the phone and calling. But he trusts Great Value Larry in net, I’m sure.

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39 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Fitz really is starting to look like Shero Part Deux...like Shero, he's capable of making good moves.  Like Shero, once seasons go awry, he doesn't seem to have any ability to do anything to address it.  In Shero's case, I understand it to an extent, in that it's not like he had a lot of pieces to try to move for something worthwhile.  But Fitz just sticking with this coaching staff that has basically shown next to nothing (one week of practice and a god-awful team waltzed into your building and wins by THREE GOALS?!), and not even attempting any kind of shakeup...it's a horrible look.

Blackwood is now a sub-.900 goalie over his last 60 GP or so.  Sucks when a prospect doesn't work out...yes, the D and the moron who's in charge of them can make life difficult for a goalie, but was the D all that much better when Blackwood first got the callup?  He put up .918 and .915 save%s in his first two seasons with the big club...and looked a hell of a lot better in doing it.  And yeah, I try not to over-analyze player quotes (and he may simply not be able to articulate well), but everything about him just screams "Needs to go as part of the loser purge" right now.

Last night was the end of my "patience rope".  I'm out of it.  Outside of the obvious guys who I think will and should be part of the plan going forward, everyone else can GTFO.  

Blackwood’s brain is fried. He needs someone who can take the load off so he can be a spot starter for a bit and get his head right. The defense is garbage and he’s basically been thrown out there and told “you need to be perfect or we lose”

He has the physical talent, but goaltending is mostly mental. If they don’t get him on the right track he’s gonna be in the “oh well” pile with Ahonen, Damphousse, Frazee, etc. 

I really don’t like Balckwood’s refusal to take responsibility though. Marty was like that at times but he had the resume to back it up. 

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4 minutes ago, MB3 said:

What if the panthers offered you Spencer Knight straight up for Jesper Bratt and Damon Severson at the deadline? They get a really good bottom pairing defenseman, a young stud forward and still roll with Bob in the playoffs?

Severson and a lottery protected (first or second pick) first?

I want to believe in Bratt’s renaissance, and people still believe in Severson’s “ability” 

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5 minutes ago, MB3 said:

What if the panthers offered you Spencer Knight straight up for Jesper Bratt and Damon Severson at the deadline? They get a really good bottom pairing defenseman, a young stud forward and still roll with Bob in the playoffs?

That is tempting, not gonna lie. But it would never happen.

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2 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Blackwood’s brain is fried. He needs someone who can take the load off so he can be a spot starter for a bit and get his head right. The defense is garbage and he’s basically been thrown out there and told “you need to be perfect or we lose”

He has the physical talent, but goaltending is mostly mental. If they don’t get him on the right track he’s gonna be in the “oh well” pile with Ahonen, Damphousse, Frazee, etc. 

I really don’t like Balckwood’s refusal to take responsibility though. Marty was like that at times but he had the resume to back it up. 

Hell even Jack Campbell is saying “I need to be better” when the team in front of him is being a bunch of choke artists. Yet Crapwood thinks he’s better than everyone and above such none sense 

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45 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Fitz really is starting to look like Shero Part Deux...like Shero, he's capable of making good moves.  Like Shero, once seasons go awry, he doesn't seem to have any ability to do anything to address it.  In Shero's case, I understand it to an extent, in that it's not like he had a lot of pieces to try to move for something worthwhile.  But Fitz just sticking with this coaching staff that has basically shown next to nothing (one week of practice and a god-awful team waltzed into your building and wins by THREE GOALS?!), and not even attempting any kind of shakeup...it's a horrible look.

And he CONTINUES to sit idle. I’m really beginning to lose faith.

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2 minutes ago, jagknife said:

Hell even Jack Campbell is saying “I need to be better” when the team in front of him is being a bunch of choke artists. Yet Crapwood thinks he’s better than everyone and above such none sense 

That's because he thinks he knows more than the others because he has done his "research."

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40 minutes ago, MB3 said:

What if the panthers offered you Spencer Knight straight up for Jesper Bratt and Damon Severson at the deadline? They get a really good bottom pairing defenseman, a young stud forward and still roll with Bob in the playoffs?

Are you aware that Spencer knight has a worse save % than Blackwood at the moment? And playing on a stacked team.... And you want to give Bratt for him?

 

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39 minutes ago, jagknife said:

They are going to have to make a decision at some point with Bob long term and him both there. While I agree I doubt he’s available, Moe needs to be on the phone and calling. But he trusts Great Value Larry in net, I’m sure.

Bob is 33 years old...there's no guarantee that he'll still be the #1 by the end of his deal, not to mention that he's been up and down in recent years.  The fact that he's been so solid this year means that the Panthers should be able to develop Knight at their own pace, which is a good thing, because it doesn't look like the kid (who's only 20 BTW) is truly ready for #1 or even #1B duty just yet.  He's a clear backup.

If all goes according to plan, Bob plays well enough to continue to be the #1 for at least two more years...at which point, a more experienced Knight gets more and more games...by the time Bob is entering his last season, Knight could very well be ready to play at least as many games as Bob, and once Bob's contract is up, Knight's ready to be the #1.

Panthers actually have this pretty well planned out...there's really no reason for them to trade Knight, if they firmly believe by the time he's 23 or 24, that he'll be ready to become a #1 for years to come.

 

7 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Are you aware that Spencer knight has a worse save % than Blackwood at the moment? And playing on a stacked team.... And you want to give Bratt for him?

Puny sample stuff...again, he's only 20 years old, with all of 19 NHL games under his belt.  But like I stated above, Florida has no reason to move him (unless it's for an insane return)...they can absolutely take their time with him and not ask him to do too much.  

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Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Puny sample stuff...again, he's only 20 years old, with all of 19 NHL games under his belt.  But like I stated above, Florida has no reason to move him (unless it's for an insane return)...they can absolutely take their time with him and not ask him to do too much.  

yeah but with those numbers we'd obviously be making a huge gamble. Trading for someone who SHOWED potential problems for a guy who's now pretty consistent. Not sure i make that move

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Just now, SterioDesign said:

yeah but with those numbers we'd obviously be making a huge gamble. Trading for someone who SHOWED potential problems for a guy who's now pretty consistent. Not sure i make that move

Yeah I don't think I would do it either.  Too risky.  I'd give up the pick though.

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Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Yeah I don't think I would do it either.  Too risky.  I'd give up the pick though.

If I was 100% getting a stud goalie I would do it, but Knight is not 100%. 

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17 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Are you aware that Spencer knight has a worse save % than Blackwood at the moment? And playing on a stacked team.... And you want to give Bratt for him?

 

I agree. Trading for Knight right now puts us in the exact same position… with a young struggling goalie who needs veteran help. I like Knight but I wouldn’t send Bratt for him at the moment. 

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1 minute ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

I agree. Trading for Knight right now puts us in the exact same position… with a young struggling goalie who needs veteran help. I like Knight but I wouldn’t send Bratt for him at the moment. 

yeah and if Knight is currently struggling... throwing him behind our D corps in the Nas system is certainly not what's going to turn him around

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5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

If I was 100% getting a stud goalie I would do it, but Knight is not 100%. 

I'd give up Bratt and other pieces for an established star netminder, sure.  Knight could become that (he was picked where he was for a reason), but definitely not enough assurances for that yet.  But I think the goalie situation within the organization is questionable enough that I'd give up a high first-rounder for him...at least he's already playing in the NHL, and the Devils would be getting him before his Age 21 season.  You could do worse with a high first-rounder.  

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2 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah and if Knight is currently struggling... throwing him behind our D corps in the Nas system is certainly not what's going to turn him around

If the Devils were ever to do something as bold as trading for Knight, they'd better clean out the Retread and the Loser Twins.  They've all outlived whatever miminal usefulness they ever had.

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1 minute ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah and if Knight is currently struggling... throwing him behind our D corps in the Nas system is certainly not what's going to turn him around

I agree. I’m not sold on any young, unproven goalie being the answer for us. Even if Knight were obtained, we’d still need a veteran-ish goalie as a 1A-1b. 

I’m not sold on Blackwood suddenly being an awful goalie either. Something else is afoot, be it illness, injury, our Swiss cheese defense, or inadequate coaching. 

Last time I said this was about Cory Schneider, and it proved to be correct, he had a major injury. 

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1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I'd give up Bratt and other pieces for an established star netminder, sure.  Knight could become that (he was picked where he was for a reason), but definitely not enough assurances for that yet.  But I think the goalie situation within the organization is questionable enough that I'd give up a high first-rounder for him...at least he's already playing in the NHL, and the Devils would be getting him before his Age 21 season.  You could do worse with a high first-rounder.  

Oh I would definitely trade for him, I mentioned that above. Just not Bratt. We need Bratt. As much as we like to think defense or goalies or coaching are “our problem”, our offense is also sh!t and clearly we need Jesper badly. 

I’d give them the other Jesper and a high first. 

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I'd totally trade our first round pick this year which should be pretty high and valuable for something this summer. The draft is not great this year. Hell Shane Wright who's projected first overall is projected to be a Nico Hischier at best basically. Which means we might get lucky and get "the best player of the draft" when its all said and done like a Makar or wtv. But still, we'Re at the poiint where we need to get young established talent if we can. We have assets to make that happen now.

Now if were in a position to land a lottery pick next year's draft though. You keep that pick cause Bedard and Mitchkov are the real deal

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42 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

If I was 100% getting a stud goalie I would do it, but Knight is not 100%. 

You almost have to make these kinds of trades in a risky position. You have to make it worth Florida's while to deal Knight, and trading them two players that can help propel the Panthers to a championship is the kind of thing that might work. If I were Florida, I wouldn't do it for Severson and our first-round pick. Not a good enough return.

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26 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

I'd totally trade our first round pick this year which should be pretty high and valuable for something this summer. The draft is not great this year. Hell Shane Wright who's projected first overall is projected to be a Nico Hischier at best basically. Which means we might get lucky and get "the best player of the draft" when its all said and done like a Makar or wtv. But still, we'Re at the poiint where we need to get young established talent if we can. We have assets to make that happen now.

Now if were in a position to land a lottery pick next year's draft though. You keep that pick cause Bedard and Mitchkov are the real deal

Then the pick isn't as valuable, unfortunately.

That being said, if Fitz was super-bullish on Knight being a possible long-term solution in net, I could see this year's first, next year's second, and a couple of Utes (maybe one of their goalies) to Florida for Knight.

I know this is just for kicks...I still don't see Florida making him available.  

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4 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Then the pick isn't as valuable, unfortunately.

That being said, if Fitz was super-bullish on Knight being a possible long-term solution in net, I could see this year's first, next year's second, and a couple of Utes (maybe one of their goalies) to Florida for Knight.

I know this is just for kicks...I still don't see Florida making him available.  

Knight is an expensive option. There are cheaper ways to fix our goaltending problem. Hopefully our GM is turning over stones.

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4 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

Knight is an expensive option. There are cheaper ways to fix our goaltending problem. Hopefully our GM is turning over stones.

Getting a good defensive coach who can get the D to help our goalies would be an inexpensive option

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5 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

You almost have to make these kinds of trades in a risky position. You have to make it worth Florida's while to deal Knight, and trading them two players that can help propel the Panthers to a championship is the kind of thing that might work. If I were Florida, I wouldn't do it for Severson and our first-round pick. Not a good enough return.

Yeah what the Devils really need but don't have is a healthy and productive 1B early-mid 30s vet to include in a trade...a guy who may never be as good as Knight will be in a few years, but is clearly better than him right now. 

1 minute ago, Jerrydevil said:

Knight is an expensive option. There are cheaper ways to fix our goaltending problem. Hopefully our GM is turning over stones.

Yeah, you're giving up a lot, and even though I would give up this year's first (as long as it's not too too high of a pick) and other pieces to bring him in, sure there's cheaper ways to fix this.  Admittedly I have no idea who's available (as has been noted, I doubt Knight is).  And who knows, maybe Deadwood bounces back next year (if he's still here)...I just don't have any confidence in that happening. 

SD just raised a fair point...how about a coach that actually has the slightest clue how to coach defense?   

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