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[Devil Dan 56]

38 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

No the little entitled bitches part is just towards the fans making claim like "it's been X amount of years and we're still not in the playoffs". As if being part of the playoffs is something fans automatically deserve after X amount of years. I didn't say that towards you, just towards whoever said that, which is mostly those other 2 guys, you i dont know. Again, my opinion, not telling people what to do. I literally just said people can do wtv they want.

Kovalchuk IMO left in a fvck you to the NHL as a whole i'm sure after the lockdown and them fvcking him over and being welcomed by his country at the time. I also think he clearly saw the team was a sinking ship and im sure played in his decision knowing he wouldn't win a cup in NJ. That's 100% my theory and not necessarily factual. So yeah, i shouldnt have make that claim i can fully admit it. Those other guys sure won't take their claims back though. 

But that little part was just added to the whole list of UFAs Lou let walk into free agency, Niedermayer, Elias, Gomez, Rafalski, Holik, Parise, etc etc. It doesn't change the point i was making in any way. He let all those guys mostly in their prime walk into free agency and lost all of them except Elias. Imagine all those guys staying with the club or getting assets for them how it would have kept the franchise going. You don't even have to put clarkson and parise in that list and its still absolutely unacceptable. 

 

I don’t think the playoffs are something necessarily owed or deserved. However i think it does say something that since 2012 in a league where half the teams make the playoffs, only one team in the entire NHL has less playoff appearances than the Devils. And that includes a team that only existed for 5 years and a year where 24 teams made it in. I think that’s a sign of true mediocrity.

As for the Lou thing, it’s been beaten to death. He’s been gone 7 years, worked for 2 other teams. Only one of those players you listed plays anymore. Only one of those players you listed had any success after leaving. The blame can’t go only to  Lou anymore. He was stubborn about his vision. He held held on to the 2012 run too long. He left nothing behind. All true. But Shero’s rebuild sputtered and Fitz doesn’t seem willing to adjust. 

Also to clarify. I understand Lou’s reasons for doing things and his team building mentality. That doesn’t mean I necessarily agree with them all. For example, if I were ever an NHL Gm outside of EA sports, I’d never refuse to talk contract during the season. Nor would I play chicken with Elias to the extent Lou did. But I get his logic. 

[devlman]

1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

I never told anyone how to feel. Stop with that non-sense.

Telling people they are acting like little entitled bitches is just a mere observation and personal opinion. It's not a warrant or an order to act differently. You can keep doing it if you want, you're 100% allowed to give your opinion on anything. I'll just keep giving my opinion about it cause i also have the right to do it. This is the internet, where criticism of criticism exist. What a concept.

At least I make my claims are based on what im actually seeing and not on what im not seeing and imagining while i have no idea what's going on behind closed doors.

 

 

 

 

You can’t see your own bias and hypocrisy you’re so far up your own ass. Your claims are based on what you’re seeing? Is that why you Kovalchuk went to Russia because Clarkson scored 30? Is that what you saw or just totally speculated?

I guess EVERYONE else is making this all up…orrrr you can’t see how wrong you are.

[SterioDesign]

5 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

I don’t think the playoffs are something necessarily owed or deserved. However i think it does say something that since 2012 in a league where half the teams make the playoffs, only one team in the entire NHL has less playoff appearances than the Devils. And that includes a team that only existed for 5 years and a year where 24 teams made it in. I think that’s a sign of true mediocrity.

As for the Lou thing, it’s been beaten to death. He’s been gone 7 years, worked for 2 other teams. Only one of those players you listed plays anymore. Only one of those players you listed had any success after leaving. The blame can’t go only to  Lou anymore. He was stubborn about his vision. He held held on to the 2012 run too long. He left nothing behind. All true. But Shero’s rebuild sputtered and Fitz doesn’t seem willing to adjust. 

Also to clarify. I understand Lou’s reasons for doing things and his team building mentality. That doesn’t mean I necessarily agree with them all. For example, if I were ever an NHL Gm outside of EA sports, I’d never refuse to talk contract during the season. Nor would I play chicken with Elias to the extent Lou did. But I get his logic. 

Well we have been mediocre of course. That's just a fact lol

But also no other NHL teams was ever left with so little in the last few decades, hell even expansion teams start with a better lineup from the get-go. We literally had the oldest lineup filled with guys with absolutely no value.

Also i never said the blame only go for Lou either for the 2015-2022 era. I just find it unfair when someone has a huge house party, trash the place completely, leave the house in an absolute mess and only leave a toothbrush for the next person having to clean. And that then people give sh!t to that person for not having the house all clean and repaired fast enough, like it's 100% their fault and not for the person who left them in that mess. (also the term "leaving" is of course pretty nice. Lou literally had to be removed from his position or he would have keep the mess going for god knows how long)

As for Fitz, i feel for him cause working with that lineup must have been such a task and most of his trades were actually good trades on paper and almost none panned out. His biggest failure was not firing Hynes sooner. I also don't think we should have traded for Grabner, i get why we did but i dont think we sould have.

[SterioDesign]

11 minutes ago, devlman said:

You can’t see your own bias and hypocrisy you’re so far up your own ass. Your claims are based on what you’re seeing? Is that why you Kovalchuk went to Russia because Clarkson scored 30? Is that what you saw or just totally speculated?

I guess EVERYONE else is making this all up…orrrr you can’t see how wrong you are.

you're welcome to read my post where i admitted i was wrong and shouldnt have said that.

Not my problem if you don't read and talk out of your ass

[devlman]

39 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

you're welcome to read my post where i admitted i was wrong and shouldnt have said that.

Not my problem if you don't read and talk out of your ass

Great now do all the other things you’ve been wrong on

Edited February 19, 2022 by devlman

[SterioDesign]

8 minutes ago, devlman said:

Great now do all the other things you’ve been wrong on

Whatever i say or do. Doesn't change the fact that anyone claiming that seeing no trades or changes made means that a GM is sitting on his hands not even trying to do anything, while not knowing what's going on behind closed door. That's 100% talking out of your ass. 

[devlman]

2 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

Whatever i say or do. Doesn't change the fact that anyone claiming that seeing no trades or changes made means that a GM is sitting on his hands not even trying to do anything, while not knowing what's going on behind closed door. That's 100% talking out of your ass. 

You’re missing the point being so bent on this angle that fans are dumb because they don’t see all this magnificent hard work Fitz is doing day in and day out. No one cares if he’s working 24/7. Results matter. And the lack of results over a lengthy period of time suggests he’s not even working or doing enough.

[mfitz804]

@jagknife, is it time?

 

[nessus]

1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

@jagknife, is it time?

 

This is kind of where I am with this discussion. I think Fitz deserves credit where it's due. He had a really good offseason, signing the best available UFA to a good contract, signing a strong backup goalie, and getting a staple for the Devils' future D in Graves. Signing Tatar seemed to be a good move as well at the time. And shortly after, he signed Hughes to what looks like a very good value contract. But since then, it's hard to argue that he has done much to help the team. Seems like he gave up too early on the season. Nothing was done to fix the atrocious powerplay, which featured capable PP contributors in Bratt, Hughes, Hischier, Zacha, and Hamilton. The goaltending situation is the most glaring issue from this season. Trading for Gillies was not the solution. Others have mentioned Khudobin passing through waivers. Chances are he doesn't move the needle all that much, but that sort of move would have certainly been worth a try, as he is not far removed from a strong season with the Stars. Having Daws and Schmid yo-yoing up and down from Utica not only virtually guarantees a loss when they start, it is likely detrimental to their development with how well they have played in Utica.

And of course there's the argument "well propose a trade then, if you think there's something Fitz could have done". Well, if being an NHL GM was easy enough that any of us could do it, I sure wouldn't be working the job I do now anymore.

[Nicomo]

JFC this place is truly unbearable at times. 

[SterioDesign]

1 hour ago, MB3 said:

This is just such a bizarre way of thinking. If a car salesman sells zero cars for a year, it’s possible that he worked his ass off and people just weren’t interested, but it’s much more likely that he’s just a sh!tty salesman. 

I’m not ready to fire Fitzgerald yet, but implying he’s immune to criticism (or calling fans whiny b!tches) because his abilities are being questioned is just so bizarrely misguided. 

Well his abilities are not questioned. People are claiming that he's sitting on his hands, not even trying to do something.

A GM job is not to just do trades or do things just for the sake of doing something, it's to do what's best for the team overall. It's managing. And it's possible that the best thing to do for the long term so far was to not do something and be patient rather than risk something that could very much not pay off or do something dumb, or maybe it was to realize that we needed a true #1 goalie and tried to get one but couldn't, who knows. Or maybe it was to wait til the trade deadline to do something.

I don't know what's going on behind closed door. But i'm able to come up with scenarios explaining why we're seeing what we're seeing, and unless i have a proof that he's simply not willing to do something or making a bad decision. I won't crucify him based on guesses.

I did criticism him many time about the coaching staff, but coming from the angle that i simply don't understand why he's not firing them. That's a different take than saying he's a sh!t GM for not firing them. I'm trying to understand the reason why he's doing what he's doing or not. And like you pointed out, i'd love to believe that he's not... because he has a plan.

To me my take on this season is that the goal was to go-in, not expecting to make the playoffs but show progress and hope to challenge for a wildcard spot and if there's a move to do to make the team better long term, let's go. On paper we had a team that could potentially do that if things went well.

But then that's obviously not the way the season went, we got bad goaltending and then both goalies went down and Wood out and many injuries. To me it just became obvious that it would be another year where we wouldn't accomplish much but its fine cause many players that are part of our plan are not even in the NHL yet, we're still rebuilding. So well, you keep doing the same thing you see what you have internally, if there's a move you can do to make the team better long term (like Boeser) you do it. But you don't make short term panic move to salvage a season that we didn't project to do much anyway or make panic move just to "show progress".

 

[MadDog2020]

5 hours ago, MB3 said:

bizarrely misguided. 

That sums up most of SD’s posts on GM’s and GM’ing.

[mfitz804]

It’s rare that I just punch out of a conversation.