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Yeah the theme of the first half was more or less “find a way”.  The only team that they really weren’t able to do that against was Houston.  They don’t usually overwhelm anyone…but they just kinda keep finding ways to compile wins regardless.  They still haven’t really had a major slump yet…they did lose 7 out of 11 at one point (late June into early July), but that’s really been it.

And check out Diaz’s July:  7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 16 K, .133 OPS against (?!).  Scary how dominant he’s been lately.  

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Because of course

 

https://nypost.com/2022/07/20/jacob-degrom-injury-setback-mets-fears-arent-going-away/

 

I don't want to get too out of control with this one...but it always starts with a little something, and then snowballs into something out of control. Hopefully the Mets are just being exceedingly cautious here but things have been rolling along well with deGrom, and now we have this little bump in the road. Let's hope it stays little

"mild soreness around the shoulder"...just don't like where this could be leading to

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Because of course

 

https://nypost.com/2022/07/20/jacob-degrom-injury-setback-mets-fears-arent-going-away/

 

I don't want to get too out of control with this one...but it always starts with a little something, and then snowballs into something out of control. Hopefully the Mets are just being exceedingly cautious here but things have been rolling along well with deGrom, and now we have this little bump in the road. Let's hope it stays little

"mild soreness around the shoulder"...just don't like where this could be leading to

This is why if he opts out, I say "Best of luck Jake."  A shame, in that he was damned good, but like we've noted, doesn't look like his body is going to hold up.  

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Yesterday went swimmingly for deGrom, threw 60 pitches in a simulated game and felt good. He's close

You're hearing the Mets come up a lot in trade discussions. It's no secret they seem to be done with Dom Smith and are trying to move him...they're in on Josh Bell and Daniel Vogelbach. I'd love Bell, just a smart quality hitter with power who's not a total K machine (relative to guys this era)

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I do NOT want Vogelbach...he's the prototypical Sandy Alderson hitter:

low BA?  check

decent OB%?  check

a lot of Ks?  check, but not too too crazy for this era

some HR power?  check

deGrom from here on out will be a "hold your breath" guy.  Sucks but it's the reality.  

And yeah Dom's used up whatever currency he built up from the 2019 short season.  He now has a career OPS+ of 99, and over the last two seasons it's just 77.  He's now 27 years old.  There's really no room for him at this point anyway...sucks that his trade value's down, but that is what it is.  Mets might be able to get a solid part-timer for him.  

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I think we found out with the Paddack trade that fell through or whatever that Dom's value wasn't even much THEN...I'd be shocked if they got anything for him after another half-season of being awful.  I don't even think they'd get Pavel Zacha-type value back (a role player for one year).

Funny how the Mets went from the team who 'would benefit most from a DH' when we didn't have the DH to the NL team that most needs a DH now that there is one full-time.

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3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I do NOT want Vogelbach...he's the prototypical Sandy Alderson hitter:

low BA?  check

decent OB%?  check

a lot of Ks?  check, but not too too crazy for this era

some HR power?  check

deGrom from here on out will be a "hold your breath" guy.  Sucks but it's the reality.  

And yeah Dom's used up whatever currency he built up from the 2019 short season.  He now has a career OPS+ of 99, and over the last two seasons it's just 77.  He's now 27 years old.  There's really no room for him at this point anyway...sucks that his trade value's down, but that is what it is.  Mets might be able to get a solid part-timer for him.  

Oh boy

I actually kinda liked Holderman and hoped they would give him more of a shot before the trade deadline.  This is another one of those weird Mets-like deals where they try to reinvent the wheel by trading roster player for roster player.

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well, it's Vogelbach. And yes I can't fight you on that one...a very Sandy acquisition. I see a lot of Lucas Duda in him.

Not thrilled with giving up Holderman. Only 17 innings and 26 years old. Watch he turn into the next Paul Sewald. 

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54 minutes ago, '7' said:

well, it's Vogelbach. And yes I can't fight you on that one...a very Sandy acquisition. I see a lot of Lucas Duda in him.

Not thrilled with giving up Holderman. Only 17 innings and 26 years old. Watch he turn into the next Paul Sewald. 

I'd take Lucas Duda 2.0 over Vogelbach

Duda as a Met: .246/.343/.457
Vogelbach career: .228/.338/.430

To be fair though, Vogelbach is a platoon monster against RHP...seems like the Mets are gonna get him and an equivalent platoon guy against LHP for DH.

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The problem with this kind of hitter (as was often the case with Doofus) is that higher-end pitching rarely has any trouble getting them out.  Those guys turn into playoff Nick Swisher far too often.  

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Shoulda held back Scherzer a day instead of wasting him against Darvish, who we never frigging hit

And on top of it Buck waves the white flag with Joely Rodriguez in a two run game...bam gives it up right away.

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The Mets acquire Michael Perez (career .175 BA and .244 OBP) to 'strengthen' their catching position.

It's honestly at the point where I'd petition to the league to let us have our pitchers hit and use the DH for our catching position.

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54 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

The Mets acquire Michael Perez (career .175 BA and .244 OBP) to 'strengthen' their catching position.

It's honestly at the point where I'd petition to the league to let us have our pitchers hit and use the DH for our catching position.

That’s a joke.  That’s Wilpon-era crap, honestly.  How does that guy help at all?!

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This is starting to look like pre-2015 trade deadline all over again, complete with another flat home series against the Padres.  Hopefully there's another Cespedes to bail us out (not to mention a Conforto-type that actually gets called up).

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Did these guys all forget how to hit?!  Can’t even get one damned run home with second and third and no outs?  

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Damn maybe that moonshot by Pete gets everyone going.  Surprised they pitched to him there.

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10 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Damn maybe that moonshot by Pete gets everyone going.  Surprised they pitched to him there.

Yeah Pete's literally the only guy in the lineup that can hurt you at the moment with any consistency.  Marte, McNeil, Canha and Nimmo are nice players but they don't scare anyone.  Lindor, for all the RBI's he piles up is wildly inconsistent at best.  

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Yeah the Mets can smallball with the best of ‘em when they’re on, but you’re right Has, it’s not a scary group.  And yeah, Lindor’s year has been so weird…I keep wondering how he has many RBI as he does.

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