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  1. 1. What should we do with the pick?

    • Draft Slafkovsky
    • Draft Nemec
    • Draft Jiricek
    • Trade down
    • Trade for immediate help
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On 5/21/2022 at 12:01 PM, nessus said:

This Wright/Slafkovsky situation is kind of funny. Wright has been the unanimous #1 pick for years, so we assume we'll get the next best thing in Slafkovsky. So we get attached to that idea, and watch him a bit closer. We see highlights of him dominating at the WC, and now we hope that Montreal doesn't get any ideas about taking our guy instead. When in reality, that just means we would take the unanimous #1, which we should be very happy about.  It wasn't long ago that the world (me included) felt that Wright was head and shoulders above everyone else, and that there were many players who could conceivably go second.

I certainly am not above that mindset. I think that Slafkovsky may be ranked second overall,  but his upside is probably higher than anyone's in this entire draft. I think Wright will be a great NHL player, and I think he is ready to come into the NHL and be productive right from the start. Slafkovsky needs some time to smooth out the edges, and a few things need to go right for him to reach his potential. I see it as high risk/high reward for Slaf, but low risk/high reward for Wright.

To me, this is similar to the position the Devils were in back in 2019. They had a top center in Hischier (Suzuki), and had an opportunity to surround him with a big, strong, goal scoring winger in Kakko (Slafkovsky), but it made so much more sense to draft the highly skilled future franchise center in Hughes (Wright) to solidify the top 2 centers for the foreseeable future. Obviously not a perfect comparison because each pair of Hischier/Suzuki, Kakko/Slaf, and Hughes/Wright is not made up of super similar players - but definitely makes for a comparable setup when leading up to the draft. Now if you're Montreal, picking first overall in front of your fans (draft is in Montreal this summer), who do you take? There is a lot of pressure to not mess up your first overall pick. As much as I like Slaf, I think you have to take the player who has been the consensus top player from this draft for years. Shane Wright's numbers have been slightly lower than what you'd normally expect from a unanimous #1 overall, but scouts know that he had a slow start (after not playing much the previous season), and subsequently went on a tear. They also know that he ended up with that kind of production while spending the year focusing on developing the defensive side of his game. 

I'm confident that Montreal will make the...Wright choice. But if there's one team to go against the grain (e.g. pick Logan Mailloux in the first round after he asked not to be drafted at all), it's Montreal.

 

Yeah especially after they went off the board and drafted Kotkaniemi with #3 when he was projected in the 5-10 range. And it didn't work out too well so i think they'll want to be very safe

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On one hand, it makes sense as a GM to say you're open to moving the pick and looking at all the options. Maybe some teams will put an offer on the table that would really blow you away. On the other hand, hearing that is a bit concerning. It makes very little sense to move this pick, and difficult to find a scenario that would be worth it. You have the opportunity to take a player who is likely no more than a year away from making an impact at the NHL, and he'll be cost controlled, and most likely filling a major organizational need. 

I'm with MD2020 in that it'll have to be a Matt Tkachuk level player, or Mikko Rantanen, or Igor Shesterkin, for me to think this makes sense. And I highly doubt that any of those types get moved for 2 OA. Rumors are that Ottawa is trying to get that pick. If it involves the wrong Tkachuk, that would be a disaster for this organization.

The narrative of "Juraj, stop playing so well so the Habs don't get any ideas" is going to quickly change to "Juraj, keep playing well so Fitz doesn't get any ideas".

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5 hours ago, nessus said:

On one hand, it makes sense as a GM to say you're open to moving the pick and looking at all the options. Maybe some teams will put an offer on the table that would really blow you away. On the other hand, hearing that is a bit concerning. It makes very little sense to move this pick, and difficult to find a scenario that would be worth it. You have the opportunity to take a player who is likely no more than a year away from making an impact at the NHL, and he'll be cost controlled, and most likely filling a major organizational need. 

I'm with MD2020 in that it'll have to be a Matt Tkachuk level player, or Mikko Rantanen, or Igor Shesterkin, for me to think this makes sense. And I highly doubt that any of those types get moved for 2 OA. Rumors are that Ottawa is trying to get that pick. If it involves the wrong Tkachuk, that would be a disaster for this organization.

The narrative of "Juraj, stop playing so well so the Habs don't get any ideas" is going to quickly change to "Juraj, keep playing well so Fitz doesn't get any ideas".

What's the downside of being open to options though?

As a GM it's literally your job to look at all options and see if something could potentially make your team better. If there's nothing, you don't make a trade and pick the player. That's it.

Also it's giving time for GMs to potentially prepare offers and have discussions for all scenarios.

Imagine a scenario where MTL pick Slafkvosky and suddenly we're on the clock and have to announce our selection. You think only then Fitz would start taking calls and make such a huge decision rushed as the clock is ticking? well no, the point of letting it known is that other gms reach out and get a feel of what a price might be for this or that and depending on how things play how well you know your options.

If he's well prepared. Chances are MTL pick Slafkosvky and then Fitz already know "alright so i know Arizona was willing to trade up for this price... i know this other team would also be interested in case Wright fell to us and they were willing to offer this... etc etc... you have to be fully prepare and know a LOT going into the draft.

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5 hours ago, Brewskies said:

Throw up and use #2 for a Junior Goaltender?

Or

Package the #2 pick with the Owners and trade for another NHL team.

what

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1 hour ago, SterioDesign said:

i may be wrong but this is how i interpreted it personally...

gotta be honest. it sounds crazy but it might work

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Legendary post right here.

1 hour ago, MB3 said:

this place rocks lmao

One of the last surviving message boards, but goddamnit if it isn’t one of the best ones.

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2 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

i may be wrong but this is how i interpreted it personally...

gotta be honest. it sounds crazy but it might work

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Post of the Year nominee right here 🤣

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2 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

i may be wrong but this is how i interpreted it personally...

gotta be honest. it sounds crazy but it might work

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This is…

really really REALLY funny.  Well done Sterio

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2 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

i may be wrong but this is how i interpreted it personally...

gotta be honest. it sounds crazy but it might work

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Those should be our next season’s reverse retro jerseys…

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I’m gonna keep beating this dead horse until i die.

who would you (within reason) trade 2OA for?

some names i’ve been hearing around the rumor mill (my toilet) today: Hellebyuck? DeBrincat? Tkachuk is an obvious “yes”. 

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5 hours ago, nessus said:

I would agree if it weren't for "Not all Mackenzies are afraid of tiny needles"

Well, having 2 posts of the years nomination makes me feel slightly better about the claims that this place was a lot better without me lol 

Or this just makes me the Severson of the board... capable of the best and the worst simultaneously haha

 

 

fvck.

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On 5/22/2022 at 6:33 PM, nessus said:

 

I'm with MD2020 in that it'll have to be a Matt Tkachuk level player, or Mikko Rantanen, or Igor Shesterkin, for me to think this makes sense. And I highly doubt that any of those types get moved for 2 OA. Rumors are that Ottawa is trying to get that pick. If it involves the wrong Tkachuk, that would be a disaster for this organization.

Honestly, I can’t remember the last time I watched Ottawa but I was under the impression Brady was just a younger version of Matthew Tkachuk.  I see he led a crappy Ottawa team in points this year. Why would that be a disaster?  

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1 hour ago, Lateralous said:

Honestly, I can’t remember the last time I watched Ottawa but I was under the impression Brady was just a younger version of Matthew Tkachuk.  I see he led a crappy Ottawa team in points this year. Why would that be a disaster?  

I don’t know what his ceiling is or if he’ll ever have 100 points like his brother, but he just scored 30G, 37A, and he’s a physical guy who plays with the grit we are often said to be missing. 

When I think of the kind of guys that Jack needs on his wing so he doesn’t miss significant time every year because he’s too small to take a hit, there’s definitely a line of thinking that says Brady Tkachuk is the perfect player. 

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19 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

When I think of the kind of guys that Jack needs on his wing so he doesn’t miss significant time every year because he’s too small to take a hit, there’s definitely a line of thinking that says Brady Tkachuk is the perfect player. 

He’s had 2 significant injuries in 3 years - and one was a leg on leg. Size had absolutely nothing to do with it. 

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7 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

He’s had 2 significant injuries in 3 years - and one was a leg on leg. Size had absolutely nothing to do with it. 

Maybe, maybe not. If he had a thug like Brady Tkachuk on his line, maybe guys have a second thought about running him. 

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9 minutes ago, Crisis said:

Yeah I would absolutely take Brady with the 2nd but there is no way Ottawa trades him for a possibility after making him their captain.

Unfortunately I think with most of the names that have been getting thrown out, there is no possibility. Do people actually believe Matthew is available for 2OA? A 100 point player?

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