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What should we do with the pick?  

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  1. 1. What should we do with the pick?

    • Draft Slafkovsky
    • Draft Nemec
    • Draft Jiricek
    • Trade down
    • Trade for immediate help
    • Draft Cooley
    • Other


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7 hours ago, Devil Dan 56 said:


Shane says the Wright things. I still think Montreal takes him and we go Slaf or one of the d-men

It’s hard to have OCD. And have to post things like this. 

FIFY.

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am i crazy that i’ve fallen in love with logan cooley as a prospect? feels like guys in the zegras role are the type of skilled scorers teams need in 2022 and onwards. shifty, fast, sick hands, quick release. he’s also apparently a bit of a snapshow and plays with a fire and an edge the devils need.

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40 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

I’d be comfortable with Slaf, Nemec, Cooley, or even Wright if Montreal passes on him. The fact that we can get one of them is a good position to be in. 

I’d be happy with any of them, but Slaf is my favorite.

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Just now, Devil Dan 56 said:

Yeah he really seems to check a lot of the boxes we need. 

Agree, this is who I want, but like you said, whoever the Devils get, it's going to be someone who can help.

I just hope the Devils are in the position (SOON) to get the most out of the talent they're accruing.   

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I just bought the Hockey News Draft Preview.   They call Shane Wright a “clear #1” and have Slaf #2.  The one thing I find odd is that they mention that he can step in next year and play as a positive.   I could see why that might be part of the equation for a good team but when you suck bad enough to be picking this high, who cares about where the Draft +1 year is spent.  
 

For each player they give a “best case projection.”   I thought it was interesting that for Wright, the best case is Nico Hischier.  Slaf’s projection is Jamie Benn.   

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12 minutes ago, Lateralous said:


For each player they give a “best case projection.”   I thought it was interesting that for Wright, the best case is Nico Hischier.  Slaf’s projection is Jamie Benn.   

That’s kind of a weird one. Slaf is already way bigger at 18. The Nash and Rantanen comps seem closer to me. 

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1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

Like a gynecologist. 

hopefully Fitzy is ready to be a tampon thief at the draft, and pull some strings. 

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From Pronman at the Athletic, revised mock draft projection based on talk from the combine. 

Interesting comments about the defenseman. 

If Slaf is there I think we go for him. If he is not I think the Priority will be a trade. 

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1 hour ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said:

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From Pronman at the Athletic, revised mock draft projection based on talk from the combine. 

Interesting comments about the defenseman. 

If Slaf is there I think we go for him. If he is not I think the Priority will be a trade. 

 

I know how I reacted when we won our portion of the lottery, but after a few weeks I'm all aboard the DRAFT Slaf or trade it away thanks largely to this board. I don't want us going defender at 2 when we have a player with actual size available.

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I don't know what the right answer is. I was all about Slaf when he shot up the rankings, but my PTSD from taking a player like Zacha thinking his play will "grow into" his size just kind of scares me. There are likely safer picks on the board. While I know we don't need another undersized player, Cooley seems like a much safer pick.

Again, I don't know. Thankfully it isn't my decision.

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The Zacha comparisons are just completely unfounded. If Slaf was playing in juniors instead of Liiga he would have likely put up insane numbers. Zacha’s production was totally pedestrian. Zacha also never did anything on the world stage like Slaf has either. 

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1 hour ago, NJDevils1214 said:

I don't know what the right answer is. I was all about Slaf when he shot up the rankings, but my PTSD from taking a player like Zacha thinking his play will "grow into" his size just kind of scares me. There are likely safer picks on the board. While I know we don't need another undersized player, Cooley seems like a much safer pick.

Again, I don't know. Thankfully it isn't my decision.

To echo what @Nicomo said above, most of the deficiencies in Zacha's game are strength's in Slafkovsky's. Slaf just oozes confidence, and he is relentless along the boards. He has that high energy, high intensity game that Zacha lacks. He's also one of those players who will drive the net, and always finds a way to be in the middle of the action. I get that there's a natural inclination to compare the two since, they're both big guys who can skate well and have impressive skill sets. But I wouldn't worry so much about Slafkovsky following a similar trajectory.

Slaf went to Finland at age 15 to work on his skating and defensive game. He really buys into the lower event Finnish system, which in part explains the discrepancy between his production with team Slovakia vs. his production with TPS. When he gets some freedom to do his thing, he really just goes off. I think this makes him such a difficult prospect to evaluate. You wonder if there's more to the story regarding his lower Liiga production. Recent prospects like Lundell produced at a far higher rate. I get that Slaf started producing in the later part of the season, so his stats are weighed down by the pre-Olympics performance, but you'd still like to see him rivaling the production of other recent first rounders if you're picking him 2 OA. I still want the Devils to select him at 2, but just another prospective there.

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4 minutes ago, nessus said:

You wonder if there's more to the story regarding his lower Liiga production. Recent prospects like Lundell produced at a far higher rate. I get that Slaf started producing in the later part of the season, so his stats are weighed down by the pre-Olympics performance, but you'd still like to see him rivaling the production of other recent first rounders if you're picking him 2 OA. I still want the Devils to select him at 2, but just another prospective there.

Maybe something as simple as the language barrier? Guys like Lundell, Laine, Kakko, etc all were playing in their native country. 

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4 hours ago, nessus said:

To echo what @Nicomo said above, most of the deficiencies in Zacha's game are strength's in Slafkovsky's. Slaf just oozes confidence, and he is relentless along the boards. He has that high energy, high intensity game that Zacha lacks. He's also one of those players who will drive the net, and always finds a way to be in the middle of the action. I get that there's a natural inclination to compare the two since, they're both big guys who can skate well and have impressive skill sets. But I wouldn't worry so much about Slafkovsky following a similar trajectory.

Slaf went to Finland at age 15 to work on his skating and defensive game. He really buys into the lower event Finnish system, which in part explains the discrepancy between his production with team Slovakia vs. his production with TPS. When he gets some freedom to do his thing, he really just goes off. I think this makes him such a difficult prospect to evaluate. You wonder if there's more to the story regarding his lower Liiga production. Recent prospects like Lundell produced at a far higher rate. I get that Slaf started producing in the later part of the season, so his stats are weighed down by the pre-Olympics performance, but you'd still like to see him rivaling the production of other recent first rounders if you're picking him 2 OA. I still want the Devils to select him at 2, but just another prospective there.

My mention of Zacha in my post is really superficial(basically just size forwards with "tools"). I'm sure there's a lot of details that separate them.

I'm torn due to how Slaf shot up draft rankings last min. Really just don't want to pick another player in the top ten that doesn't pan out and I see plenty of people that put Slaf ahead of Cooley because of the late push/size. 

Is Slaf's size/late push enough to win out over Cooley's evident skill(and Cooley has been ranked high for a while)? Cooley could still be BPA at #2 and he's being left on the board just because the need for size up front ends up being the focus. 

Again, I don't know the answer. I just hope it works out regardless, obviously.

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If you will compare good players from draft with bad players from previous draft with “he is the same size” or “I don’t like his euro face” or “ his surname is too hard to spell for Daneyko” we will never be a good team. 
 

I am all in to trade the pick, if Wright is available. Teams like Arizona, Buffalo or Columbus will pay a lot for him. And talks from guys, who doesn’t watch prospects and tell you about poor 2022 draft are just don’t know what are they talking about. It’s not offense, it’s just fact. Guys like Nazar or Yurov(will) could fall from top-10. 
Arizona could pay a lot for Wright, and Fitz could draft defenseman he like more. I like Jiricek more, but this isn’t what’s I’m talking about. If we will trade with Columbus we could easily pick one of defenseman or Gauthier, who will be great nhl scorer and power forward. He lacks of driving game, but we have Bratt and Jack. We will complement this guys easily. He play very strong game, and the thing I like, he looks smart and stay up. I like it. This is what I want to see from kid who should play his role. And second pick we could use for player like Nazar, Yurov, Chesley.  Or trade it for a guy like Fiala. Or good goaltender(especially if Boston will decide to make some rebuild or clean cap space for sign big agent instead). 
same thing with Buffalo. 

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My understanding is that the Flames really need a C, especially if Gaudreau leaves.   If Wright fell to #2, Nico for Tkachuk?  
 

I would obviously trade the second pick for Tkachuk instead but I would imagine Calgary would want the established center that can step right in next year.   
 

Edit: That being said, with where they are with their roster, I don’t know how Montreal could possibly pass on a Center to go and take a LW #1.   

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Throw out a scenario here:

To NJD:

Q. Hughes

B. Boeser

+?

To VAN:

2OA

+?

Is there any scenario here where you'd entertain this?  What would the "+" need to be to make this passable for both sides?

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Just now, Devilsfan118 said:

Throw out a scenario here:

To NJD:

Q. Hughes

B. Boeser

+?

To VAN:

2OA

+?

Is there any scenario here where you'd entertain this?  What would the "+" need to be to make this passable for both sides?

I mean of course we would entertain that, it's all about who the ?'s are.

To that end, I don't think we would get anything additional in that deal and I think I would be fine with it. 

I have no idea what Vancouver would want for their ?, but I think it probably starts with at least one of Mercer and Holtz. 

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