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  1. 1. What should we do with the pick?

    • Draft Slafkovsky
    • Draft Nemec
    • Draft Jiricek
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    • Trade for immediate help
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I still have to believe that this didn’t happen by accident. I think a decision was made that we were not going to be competitive and using a bunch of AHL goalies for the bulk of the season was a manifestation of that. 

I can’t honestly believe that anyone expected us to be competitive by doing that. This had to be a plan or simply just giving up. 

One of the main reasons I would like Fitz gone. 

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17 minutes ago, MB3 said:

If your plan is “randomly draft a russian dude every season and hope he becomes a vezina finalist lmao” you don’t have a fvcking plan. If your plan is “haha maybe Nico Dawes will be as good as Vasilevski haha” you don’t have a fvcking plan. 

Goaltending is the reason this Devils team was uncompetitive this year. Not defense. Certainly not offense. Not even special teams. 

The Devils were a good goalie away from giving us an entertaining season. Next year, they will be a good goalie away again if it isn’t addressed. Buy one, trade for one, overpay for one, I don’t give a fvck. But please for the love of fvck don’t tell me that the best way to address the goalie situation is “draft a russian and wait until one is good.” The window for this team should be opening *now*, and the goaltending position is what’s stopping them from being competitive.

Dude why is it that it feels like you're completely disregarding that both our goalies missed almost the entire season because of injuries

You're legit talking like we started the season with Gillies and Daws as our starters and that obviously it wasn't enough lol

You used Pittsburgh as an example of what "a poor goalie will do to your success" to justify trading a 2nd overall pick for a potential goalie star and using Vasilevskiy as an example of what good goaltending can do. What do you think would have happened if the Pens goalies would have been healthy and that vasilevkiy and Elliot went down in Tampa? Honestly. You think they'd win the series?

The way Pittsburgh is a good example for us is that both their goalies got injured and they had to rely in their 3rd goalie. 

How many NHL teams do you think would remain competitive if you just take out their top 2 goalies for an entire season?

 

 

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22 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Dude why is it that it feels like you're completely disregarding that both our goalies missed almost the entire season because of injuries

You're legit talking like we started the season with Gillies and Daws as our starters and that obviously it wasn't enough lol

That’s what most people have been doing. We had 3 “legit” NHL goalies; one was Wedgewood and was put on waivers, and the other two were injured from day one and nobody wants to recognize that because it doesn’t fit the narrative. And while they were playing injured, we were getting league-worst defense and league-worst offense. But all anyone wants to say is Blackwood was the problem (mostly because they were pissed about the vax thing), and nobody ever mentions Bernier at all, like he was never here. 

Then we had 2-3 absolute disasters (maybe too harsh to put Schmid in that category, maybe not), and then Daws, who may be good someday but nobody thinks was NHL ready.  
 

Do we still need an NHL goalie? Probably, because I’m not expecting much from Bernier. 

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The ignore feature on this forum is pretty useless when it still tags me in replies lmao. 

I’m not talking about last season. I’m not calling for Fitz’ head because we missed the playoffs. You can check for receipts, I’m fully aware that the Devils got poor injury luck.

But next year isn’t last year. If you trust a 34 year old Bernier coming off of major hip surgery to be a 1B type goalie, you’re failing the franchise. If you trust Blackwood to become an everyday workhorse starter, you’re failing the franchise (and the Devils clearly don’t trust Blackwood to be that guy, as evidenced by the several dozen media members reporting that last offseason and as evidenced by the devils trying to throw cash at old goalies hoping they could split the games with Blackwood.) 

The Devils need a goalie a lot, lot, lot more than they need a winger. If there is a goalie who’s value is commensurate with 2OA it is a disservice to 13, 86 and every single one of us if that avenue isn’t explored to the fullest. 

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4 minutes ago, MB3 said:

If there is a goalie who’s value is commensurate with 2OA

There isn’t. The goalies that anyone would actually trade that pick for won’t be available.

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6 minutes ago, MB3 said:

The Devils need a goalie a lot, lot, lot more than they need a winger. If there is a goalie who’s value is commensurate with 2OA it is a disservice to 13, 86 and every single one of us if that avenue isn’t explored to the fullest. 

I don’t disagree that we need a goalie going forward. In addition to everything else, Blackwood was never given any time to develop, he was immediately thrust into a starting goalie role that he wasn’t ready for. On a very bad team. 

The 2OA, I am definitely in favor of not trading it. If the Panthers offered us Knight plus something for 2OA, I might think about it. 

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41 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

That’s what most people have been doing. We had 3 “legit” NHL goalies; one was Wedgewood and was put on waivers, and the other two were injured from day one and nobody wants to recognize that because it doesn’t fit the narrative. And while they were playing injured, we were getting league-worst defense and league-worst offense. But all anyone wants to say is Blackwood was the problem (mostly because they were pissed about the vax thing), and nobody ever mentions Bernier at all, like he was never here. 

Then we had 2-3 absolute disasters (maybe too harsh to put Schmid in that category, maybe not), and then Daws, who may be good someday but nobody thinks was NHL ready.  
 

Do we still need an NHL goalie? Probably, because I’m not expecting much from Bernier. 

The problem isn’t that we didn’t have 3 legit goalies. It was that we lost one to waivers and 2 to injury and Fitz punted the season. Bernier had the teams best save percentage but he’s very iffy to ever be the same. I agree that we haven’t seen all of Blackwood yet. Fitz needs to go out and get something to help Blackwood and if we end up with Blackwood, a mystery 1B, and Bernier then we can figure out what to do with too many NHL goalies. I’d be fine with that problem as opposed to dealing with which chucklehead will give up 6 goals tonight.

Nas being gone immediately helps the defense in my eyes. There’s a hole at right defense with PK leaving. As hated as he is, he was better than Jaros or Walsh or whatever. Graves and Seigenthaler are serviceable on the left until Luke is ready. I liked Okhotiuk. Smith scares the bejesus outta me.  

Personally I think Fitz should look into Raanta. He has 2 years left and Carolina seems set with Andersen and that Russian kid. Maybe they would take a not too expensive package for the cap relief. 

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4 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

The problem isn’t that we didn’t have 3 legit goalies. It was that we lost one to waivers and 2 to injury and Fitz punted the season.

Which was exactly the point of my prior post. 

1 hour ago, mfitz804 said:

I still have to believe that this didn’t happen by accident. I think a decision was made that we were not going to be competitive and using a bunch of AHL goalies for the bulk of the season was a manifestation of that. 

I can’t honestly believe that anyone expected us to be competitive by doing that. This had to be a plan or simply just giving up. 

One of the main reasons I would like Fitz gone. 

 

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21 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Spencer Knight is possibly available and is appropriate value.

Did you think Larsson was enough compensation for Hall? How many times a year do you see a deal get done and think “that’s all that cost?” or “that guy was available?”

I’m not pretending to be a GM, but slamming the door shut saying “that guy doesn’t exist” is misguided and unimaginative. It’s an internet forum, live a little! 

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2 minutes ago, MB3 said:

Spencer Knight is possibly available and is appropriate value.

Did you think Larsson was enough compensation for Hall? How many times a year do you see a deal get done and think “that’s all that cost?” or “that guy was available?”

I’m not pretending to be a GM, but slamming the door shut saying “that guy doesn’t exist” is misguided and unimaginative. It’s an internet forum, live a little! 

Knight plus Florida’s 1st for the 2OA? I’d take that phone call. 

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4 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Knight plus Florida’s 1st for the 2OA? I’d take that phone call. 

I think Florida would only trade Knight for 2OA straight up, and I make that move 100 times out of 100. 

He’s about to enter his prime, he’s one of the most highly touted goaltender prospects of the past 10 years, and he would immediately make us a playoff team that’s young as hell and dangerous as hell. Slavkovsky might be great and if the Devils don’t trade for a goalie I hope they pick him, but there isn’t a single player in this draft who would have the same impact as Spencer Knight 

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1 minute ago, MadDog2020 said:

This is news to me. 

On-brand pedantic reply.

This is an internet forum! I’m making suggestions looking at a cap-crunched team that probably can’t afford to sign their soon-to-be RFA goalie to a $6m+ per year deal when they already pay another goalie $10m. I’m not trying to be an insider, I’m trying to engage in discussion with devils fans on a forum dedicated to engaging with other Devils fans! Taylor Hall wasn’t available until he was. Live a little, fella. 

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4 minutes ago, MB3 said:

I think Florida would only trade Knight for 2OA straight up, and I make that move 100 times out of 100. 

He’s about to enter his prime, he’s one of the most highly touted goaltender prospects of the past 10 years, and he would immediately make us a playoff team that’s young as hell and dangerous as hell. Slavkovsky might be great and if the Devils don’t trade for a goalie I hope they pick him, but there isn’t a single player in this draft who would have the same impact as Spencer Knight 

Yup I would probably do that. I wanted to draft him but we wasted that pick on an undersized bust of a center. 

5 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

This is news to me. 

Someone should tell Florida that they’re making him available lol. 

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3 minutes ago, MB3 said:

On-brand pedantic reply.

This is an internet forum! I’m making suggestions looking at a cap-crunched team that probably can’t afford to sign their soon-to-be RFA goalie to a $6m+ per year deal when they already pay another goalie $10m. I’m not trying to be an insider, I’m trying to engage in discussion with devils fans on a forum dedicated to engaging with other Devils fans! Taylor Hall wasn’t available until he was. Live a little, fella. 

Wait are you saying not everything that’s said here is based on pure fact? Did you literally blow Taylor Hall ZERO of the times you said you were going to???

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2 minutes ago, MB3 said:

On-brand pedantic reply.

 

No…. It’s a fact. Where have you seen anywhere that Knight will possibly be available outside of our discussions here? Dream big if you want, I’d love Knight. But I don’t see Florida trading him. FTR, if they called us and were willing to do Knight for #2, I’d seriously consider it. I just prefer to keep my expectations realistic.

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4 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

No…. It’s a fact. Where have you seen anywhere that Knight will possibly be available outside of our discussions here? Dream big if you want, I’d love Knight. But I don’t see Florida trading him. FTR, if they called us and were willing to do Knight for #2, I’d seriously consider it. I just prefer to keep my expectations realistic.

Yeah, even the opposite has been reported. They are not trading Knight

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/ice-breakers-updates-on-spencer-knight-nick-paul-jesperi-kotkaniemi-tyler-motte/

 

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2 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

No…. It’s a fact. Where have you seen anywhere that Knight will possibly be available outside of our discussions here? Dream big if you want, I’d love Knight. But I don’t see Florida trading him. FTR, if they called us and were willing to do Knight for #2, I’d seriously consider it. I just prefer to keep my expectations realistic.

It is not possible that “Spencer Knight isn’t available” is a fact. It is perfectly reasonable to see that Florida will have a situation coming up and the Devils can trade one of the very few top-2 draft picks to ever be traded pre-draft. I’m not arguing to trade for Vasilevski or Shesterkin because that is simply unreasonable.

The Panthers have a goalie on the books for 5 more years at $10m more each: That is a fact. Spencer Knight will ask for — and be given via arbitration or the team — a bridge deal similar to Shesterkin at ~6m per year: That is a fact. The Panthers need to re-sign their elite producing top line home-grown RW, their top organizational prospect to a bridge deal, and an entire 3rd/4th line and 3rd pairing defense BEFORE they need to give Knight that contract: that is a fact. We’re currently in a relatively flat cap, and one that isn’t expected to jump until after the Knight bridge deal kicks in: that is a fact.

It is my speculation that there’s a possible move here. That is not a fact, it hasn’t been presented as a fact and it won’t be presented as a fact. It’s me typing on my phone to internet devils friends while escaping a crying baby for six minutes. 

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2 minutes ago, MB3 said:

It is not possible that “Spencer Knight isn’t available” is a fact. It is perfectly reasonable to see that Florida will have a situation coming up and the Devils can trade one of the very few top-2 draft picks to ever be traded pre-draft. I’m not arguing to trade for Vasilevski or Shesterkin because that is simply unreasonable.

The Panthers have a goalie on the books for 5 more years at $10m more each: That is a fact. Spencer Knight will ask for — and be given via arbitration or the team — a bridge deal similar to Shesterkin at ~6m per year: That is a fact. The Panthers need to re-sign their elite producing top line home-grown RW, their top organizational prospect to a bridge deal, and an entire 3rd/4th line and 3rd pairing defense BEFORE they need to give Knight that contract: that is a fact. We’re currently in a relatively flat cap, and one that isn’t expected to jump until after the Knight bridge deal kicks in: that is a fact.

It is my speculation that there’s a possible move here. That is not a fact, it hasn’t been presented as a fact and it won’t be presented as a fact. It’s me typing on my phone to internet devils friends while escaping a crying baby for six minutes. 

So you’re saying it definitely will happen within the next couple of months?

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

So you’re saying it definitely will happen within the next couple of months?

It is literally a fact. I will accept no further questions.

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10 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah, even the opposite has been reported. They are not trading Knight

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/ice-breakers-updates-on-spencer-knight-nick-paul-jesperi-kotkaniemi-tyler-motte/

 

UN-SHUN

Had to un-mute you because I’m going to see your replies and get your notifications anyway lmao. 

Them saying “we will not trade Spencer Knight for a trade deadline rental” is not the same thing as saying “we will not trade Spencer Knight for the 2nd overall pick”, surely you have to acknowledge that lol. 

RE-SHUN

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8 minutes ago, MB3 said:

It is not possible that “Spencer Knight isn’t available” is a fact. It is perfectly reasonable to see that Florida will have a situation coming up and the Devils can trade one of the very few top-2 draft picks to ever be traded pre-draft. I’m not arguing to trade for Vasilevski or Shesterkin because that is simply unreasonable.

The Panthers have a goalie on the books for 5 more years at $10m more each: That is a fact. Spencer Knight will ask for — and be given via arbitration or the team — a bridge deal similar to Shesterkin at ~6m per year: That is a fact. The Panthers need to re-sign their elite producing top line home-grown RW, their top organizational prospect to a bridge deal, and an entire 3rd/4th line and 3rd pairing defense BEFORE they need to give Knight that contract: that is a fact. We’re currently in a relatively flat cap, and one that isn’t expected to jump until after the Knight bridge deal kicks in: that is a fact.

It is my speculation that there’s a possible move here. That is not a fact, it hasn’t been presented as a fact and it won’t be presented as a fact. It’s me typing on my phone to internet devils friends while escaping a crying baby for six minutes. 

Teams always find a way to keep the players they REALLY want to keep. They drafted Knight in the first round, AFTER they gave Bobrovsky that contract. They clearly view him as their goalie of the future. They aren’t gonna trade him. They’ll figure out something with the cap, because teams usually do. So I’d love to share your optimism, but I can’t. 

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2 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Teams always find a way to keep the players they REALLY want to keep. They drafted Knight in the first round, AFTER they gave Bobrovsky that contract. They clearly view him as their goalie of the future. They aren’t gonna trade him. They’ll figure out something with the cap, because teams usually do. So I’d love to share your optimism, but I can’t. 

it is super likely they they just figure it out. I’m just throwing scenarios out there for fun. Spencer Knight as a devil would be fun, and the 2nd overall pick to Florida seems like relatively similar value.

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4 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Teams always find a way to keep the players they REALLY want to keep. They drafted Knight in the first round, AFTER they gave Bobrovsky that contract. They clearly view him as their goalie of the future. They aren’t gonna trade him. They’ll figure out something with the cap, because teams usually do. So I’d love to share your optimism, but I can’t. 

I feel like they are more likely to try to find a way out of the Bobrovsky contract before it ends in 4 years than to trade Knight. 

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