Devils Trade for John Marino, ty Smith to Pitts.

[Brewskies]

9 hours ago, Lateralous said:

I love it.   Fitz doing an excellent job filling out the roster this offseason.   Hopefully this is finally the year we make a jump towards being a fringe playoff team.   

We still have Blackwood as goaltender. Fitz has done a good job with the defense this offseason. I am not convinced the offense is a playoff contender. 

More to come? C'mon Fitz 

[mfitz804]

35 minutes ago, Brewskies said:

We still have Blackwood as goaltender. Fitz has done a good job with the defense this offseason. I am not convinced the offense is a playoff contender. 

More to come? C'mon Fitz 

I feel like the stage is set to trade Severson for a winger. I guess we’ll see. 

[Aitchmack]

4 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

I feel like the stage is set to trade Severson for a winger. I guess we’ll see. 

Yep, it definitely feels like that. I've seen the Devils name linked with Nylander a few times.

[Fansinz88]

3 hours ago, aylbert said:

Let’s send her off to Pittsburgh too 

Is that possible? Do it

[Guadana]

9 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

I feel like the stage is set to trade Severson for a winger. I guess we’ll see. 

I don’t will they trade Nylander for Sevs, but if we talk about Sevs, I have some priorities, some more realistic, some not.

first one is Knies from leafs. But I can’t imagine they will trade him. Especially for one year of Damon. Even if they will sign him. He is my clearly number one, but he is close to be untouchable.

Second one is Othmann from rangers. He is ranger. Everything we should know to even don’t think about it.

Holloway from Oilers is a third one in my list. Guy is some kind of… Slafkovsky lite. Barrie is a one way right defenseman, I can imagine they want younger two way defenseman for their top-4.

I don’t know what Buffalo thinking about their right side of defense and how they will insure their talented left defensemen. If they love Severson, they have a lot of good forward prospects. Sounds ridiculous, but top-4 defenseman, if they will sign him after, is a good price for Peterka.

Formenton is my first one who is regular nhl player. from Ottawa, he is a big, very good skating guy with good shot and two way game. Solid pk player.

I don’t know how, but if Florida will agree to get our first round pick or Holtz, Severson and someone else like Zetterlund, would be awesome to acquire Lundel. Again, can’t imagine they will do it.

Some magic situation, where Severson is a part of package for M Tkachuk. Magic, but who knows, may be they will not find agreement. But I believe if they will trade him, they will start to full rebuild. And Severson isn’t a good guy for that kind of situation. And there is some Klinberg smoke too.

If Buffalo really wants Severson and we are talking about NHL  player, Fits should ask Tuch. If they don’t want to trade him, than Peterka, but Fitz should be proactive to trade for Tuch. 

Necas from Carolina is a real target for trade. Mobile big defensive forward with offensive upside. They have players to replace him and have some troubles with agreement.

That’s guys whom I remembered right in time after thinking about possibilitie of trading Severson. We did try to start this talk year ago, but people were not ready to even think about it. Now the situation is going on the way, after year my words about 6/6.5-7/7.25mil for Severson doesn’t sound as ridiculous, and I think Fitz is thinking about this trade, at least thinking. Would be great to play with full solid defense, but now we have no chance to stay with all three guys we have now. If the good offer on the table or Devils will be not in the hunt for play off spot on the deadline, I think Severson will be moved.

 

Edited July 17 by Guadana

[moustic]

17 minutes ago, Guadana said:

I don’t will they trade Nylander for Sevs, but if we talk about Sevs, I have some priorities, some more realistic, some not.

first one is Knies from leafs. But I can’t imagine they will trade him. Especially for one year of Damon. Even if they will sign him. He is my clearly number one, but he is close to be untouchable.

(...)

 

On your whole list i only wanna knew if Tkachuk was on it ! As your work in some mysterious way this summer... I wanna my dream to come true ! 
So...

[Guadana]

Just now, moustic said:

On your whole list i only wanna knew if Tkachuk was on it ! As your work in some mysterious way this summer... I wanna my dream to come true ! 
So...

Tkachuk is a most mysterious option on my list I think) Lundell and Knies are very hard to be tradable too. We still have a chance. But I think it would be other options than Severson. May be some package like 1st round pick next year, Shaq(m... I don`t know if Calgary as Canada team wants some russian prospects),  Holtz, Gritsyuk\or even Bratt  or something like that. Payment should be huge. But it could go south if they will sign him for one "arbitration\qualification" year deal and will trade him on the deadline. I believe Fitz is really wants Tkachuk and as I understand he will not stop to make offers for him. I trully think, before MT and Calgary would not sign a long term, there is a huge chance, Fitz will trade or sign M Tkachuk.

[Crisis]

I can't really see how Calgary will be able to fit Serverson without trading one of their dmen first.

[Guadana]

9 minutes ago, Crisis said:

I can't really see how Calgary will be able to fit Serverson without trading one of their dmen first.

They will not. They don`t need in him if they will trade Tkachuk. 

[EdgeControl]

12 minutes ago, Guadana said:

They will not. They don`t need in him if they will trade Tkachuk. 

it will take Bratt plus (a holtz, a mercer, or ??) 

[RizzMB30]

5 hours ago, Guadana said:

If Buffalo really wants Severson and we are talking about NHL  player, Fits should ask Tuch. If they don’t want to trade him, than Peterka, but Fitz should be proactive to trade for Tuch. 

Necas from Carolina is a real target for trade. Mobile big defensive forward with offensive upside. They have players to replace him and have some troubles with agreement.

I would love Tuch. I think he was the biggest part coming back in the Eichel trade besides that 1st rounder that I think turned into Ostland, who looks like might be a stud. Maybe we circle back with Buffalo around the deadline and float the idea of Seves for Tuch straight up. 

Edited July 17 by RizzMB30

[MB3]

you guys are legitimately outrageous with these trades lmao. Alex Tuch is a 26 year old top-6 right wing with 4 years left on a reasonable contract. Why would a rebuilding team like buffalo trade him for a rental defenseman? 

[Crisis]

39 minutes ago, MB3 said:

you guys are legitimately outrageous with these trades lmao. Alex Tuch is a 26 year old top-6 right wing with 4 years left on a reasonable contract. Why would a rebuilding team like buffalo trade him for a rental defenseman? 

He's also like the biggest Sabres fan in the world.  He escorted Rick Jeanneret to the ice when he retired and I think I remember hearing that he bought like 2 sections worth of tickets for friends and family during his first game in Buffalo when he played for Vegas.

Not that being a fan is a NTC or anything, but on top of what MB3 said, the guy just bleeds Buffalo.

[Puckbuster]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:34 AM, Brewskies said:

We still have Blackwood as goaltender. Fitz has done a good job with the defense this offseason. I am not convinced the offense is a playoff contender. 

More to come? C'mon Fitz 

I’m not concerned with the offense.  I think the issue is still at goal.  

Edited July 18 by Puckbuster

[mfitz804]

6 hours ago, Puckbuster said:

I’m not concerned with the offense.  I think the issue is still at goal.  

They’re both an issue. We can’t start out the way we did last year and expect success. I think we had the lowest goals for through the first 35 games, and it was well below what the bottom team had at the end of the year. 

I don’t know what the goalies will do. If they are weak, we need the offense to be stronger to offset it. We need our second half offense from the start. 

If the goalies are like last year, it won’t make a difference. 

[Devil Dan 56]

24 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

They’re both an issue. We can’t start out the way we did last year and expect success. I think we had the lowest goals for through the first 35 games, and it was well below what the bottom team had at the end of the year. 

I don’t know what the goalies will do. If they are weak, we need the offense to be stronger to offset it. We need our second half offense from the start. 

If the goalies are like last year, it won’t make a difference. 

Whatever defensive system they use could be huge. A system (and players) that can regularly get the puck out of dangerous areas and transition to offense means less pressure on the goaltending and theoretically more time on offense. It’s going to come down to personnel as well which I think is improved. The right side looks great, left is Seigs, Graves and Brendan Smith and I doing know how he compares to Ty. Of course a major issue will be depth. A few injuries on defense and it gets ugly 

[mfitz804]

38 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

Whatever defensive system they use could be huge. A system (and players) that can regularly get the puck out of dangerous areas and transition to offense means less pressure on the goaltending and theoretically more time on offense. It’s going to come down to personnel as well which I think is improved. The right side looks great, left is Seigs, Graves and Brendan Smith and I doing know how he compares to Ty. Of course a major issue will be depth. A few injuries on defense and it gets ugly 

Agree totally, I did complain about the defense all year and their obvious failure to cover guys in the slot. Do that and it doesn’t matter who is in goal, your opponent is going to convert a lot of those chances. 

[MB3]

If you believe that last year was atrocious for Blackwood because of the bad heel injury, the combination of he and Vanicek should be playoff caliber. I was most nervous the Devils would go into the year with Blackwood/Bernier, and it doesn’t seem like that’s the case. 

If you believe it wasn’t any injury and Blackwood went from “fringe top-10 goalie in the NHL” to “possibly the worst goalie in franchise history” over the course of one offseason, we’re probably fvcked. But i choose not to be that pessimist.

[mfitz804]

12 minutes ago, MB3 said:

If you believe that last year was atrocious for Blackwood because of the bad heel injury, the combination of he and Vanicek should be playoff caliber. I was most nervous the Devils would go into the year with Blackwood/Bernier, and it doesn’t seem like that’s the case. 

If you believe it wasn’t any injury and Blackwood went from “fringe top-10 goalie in the NHL” to “possibly the worst goalie in franchise history” over the course of one offseason, we’re probably fvcked. But i choose not to be that pessimist.

Well said. 

[Devil Dan 56]

11 minutes ago, MB3 said:

If you believe that last year was atrocious for Blackwood because of the bad heel injury, the combination of he and Vanicek should be playoff caliber. I was most nervous the Devils would go into the year with Blackwood/Bernier, and it doesn’t seem like that’s the case. 

If you believe it wasn’t any injury and Blackwood went from “fringe top-10 goalie in the NHL” to “possibly the worst goalie in franchise history” over the course of one offseason, we’re probably fvcked. But i choose not to be that pessimist.

The reason I want to see Blackwood post-injury is this:

 Combination of the 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 seasons:

70 games, 64 starts. 

31-24-8 record with a 2.72gaa and a .916 save %

 

Those are great numbers for a rookie/sophomore season on a terrible team. I don’t think it just disappeared. 

[mfitz804]

5 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said:

The reason I want to see Blackwood post-injury is this:

 Combination of the 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 seasons:

70 games, 64 starts. 

31-24-8 record with a 2.72gaa and a .916 save %

 

Those are great numbers for a rookie/sophomore season on a terrible team. I don’t think it just disappeared. 

I think we’d all sign up for that. 

[devlman]

9 hours ago, Puckbuster said:

I’m not concerned with the offense.  I think the issue is still at goal.  

We still need a winger who can finish with consistency. Sharangovich hasn’t proven to be that guy yet. Holtz could step into that role but asking a rookie to lead the team in goals is a lot. Bratt is more a passer than a shooter. So, which winger is taking up this role? We missed a ton of grade A chances last year (Sharangovich being a prime offender)…can’t keep wasting Jack’s playmaking.

The other question I still have, and it’s a legitimate one, is who is our third goalie for when Blackwood gets hurts and Vanecek decides to retire and try his hand on Broadway a week before preseason? Bernier ain’t healthy. So is it back to square one with Daws? 

Edited July 18 by devlman

[Nicomo]

1 minute ago, devlman said:

We still need a winger who can finish with consistency. Sharangovich hasn’t proven to be that guy yet.

He kind of has though. 

16 goals in 54 GP

24 goals in 76 GP

I think it’s pretty safe to pencil him in as at least a 20 goal scorer going forward. Probably more. 

[mfitz804]

4 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

He kind of has though. 

16 goals in 54 GP

24 goals in 76 GP

I think it’s pretty safe to pencil him in as at least a 20 goal scorer going forward. Probably more. 

Unless he’s talking about streakiness, there was a large portion of last season where he disappeared. 

[nessus]

This is a great trade. I don’t want to take anything away from that, but I have to say I am bummed that we never got to see Ty realize his potential. I remember being so excited when he fell in that draft for us to take him. He probably doesn’t have much of a role on this team with Hughes, Nemec, and Hamilton being here long term. But he really was quite a prospect, and I always felt that he would figure it out in time. He definitely had the IQ both offensively and defensively to be a strong defenseman. I don’t know what happened in his sophomore season that turned him into a different player. The skating and decision making both took massive steps back.

I’ll continue to keep an eye on him in Pittsburgh. He could find his game there, and getting such a great return for him will make that sting a little less.