Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Look at how many of those winning streaks came post-Stevens and Niedermayer, too. That’s why I always get so annoyed with people who claim it was just the defense in front of him. Like he didn’t win 2 Vezina’s after those guys were gone. Yeah a bunch of those later Devils teams were really not as good as their records (check out their goal differentials). Marty was plenty terrific for those squads. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Look at how many of those winning streaks came post-Stevens and Niedermayer, too. That’s why I always get so annoyed with people who claim it was just the defense in front of him. Like he didn’t win 2 Vezina’s after those guys were gone. I’m in a group about old school goalies and one troll constantly argues that Brodeur is a fraud because he had the trap and the Scott’s, and that Marc Denis should have won the Vezina in 2003 because Columbus was so bad. People truly don’t get just how good and consistent he was. Denis was already back in the AHL when Brodeur was winning Vezinas post Neids and Stevens 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, Devil Dan 56 said: I’m in a group about old school goalies and one troll constantly argues that Brodeur is a fraud because he had the trap and the Scott’s, and that Marc Denis should have won the Vezina in 2003 because Columbus was so bad. People truly don’t get just how good and consistent he was. Denis was already back in the AHL when Brodeur was winning Vezinas post Neids and Stevens With the exception of his end-of-career full-on decline years, the only really bad year that I can remember Marty having was in 2000-01...sounds crazy, but the fact that he was often VERY mediocre that season gets covered up because that team was often so dynamic and flat-out fun to watch (and were scoring enough to overcome him). Goalies can put up respectable win totals and GAAs on stacked teams, and by virtue of being a passenger that year, Marty was able to benefit as far as those numbers went. But I remember being frustrated by his overall performance...especially during the Finals, where he didn't look anything like the Marty of 1999-00. Lots of flopping and generally looking very vulnerable. But he was plenty awesome many other seasons (duh). He was no fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: I’m in a group about old school goalies and one troll constantly argues that Brodeur is a fraud because he had the trap and the Scott’s, and that Marc Denis should have won the Vezina in 2003 because Columbus was so bad. People truly don’t get just how good and consistent he was. Denis was already back in the AHL when Brodeur was winning Vezinas post Neids and Stevens The worst I’ve seen is a poll they had over at HF some years ago where they didn’t even have Marty as top 3 All-Time. I get putting Hasek and Roy ahead of him, but anything past that is just absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nicomo said: The worst I’ve seen is a poll they had over at HF some years ago where they didn’t even have Marty as top 3 All-Time. I get putting Hasek and Roy ahead of him, but anything past that is just absurd. I’ve seen “he’s good but definitely not top 10” and then I know that person knows nothing about hockey and I can move on. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nicomo said: The worst I’ve seen is a poll they had over at HF some years ago where they didn’t even have Marty as top 3 All-Time. I get putting Hasek and Roy ahead of him, but anything past that is just absurd. Admittedly I do think cross-comparing over eras can be difficult...I usually try to avoid that myself. I do put Hasek and Roy slightly ahead of Marty, but strictly in a 1A-1B-1C sense, not 1-2-3. You can't go wrong with any of them. I'd probably go Roy-Hasek-Marty, but we're REALLY splitting hairs here. If someone else decides to put them in a different order, I wouldn't feel strongly enough to debate them on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nicomo said: That's pretty crazy, I would have expected a later Devils team with Marty to have reached that too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Jack with Sharongovich and Zetterlund could be interesting. Obviously glad Haula is off his wing (if it sticks), but I still don’t understand the reluctance to put Mercer with him more often. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Agree…I would absolutely use these two games before the break to see if Mercer and Hughes can click. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, Nicomo said: , but I still don’t understand the reluctance to put Mercer with him more often. Was literally thinking the exact same thing. Mercer deserves a shot at playing on Jack's wing, especially over Zetterlund. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Jack ahead of Hall’s MVP season pace. Surprised Elias 2001 isn’t on here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: Was literally thinking the exact same thing. Mercer deserves a shot at playing on Jack's wing, especially over Zetterlund. ...and Tatar, Haula and Zetterlund would seem like a line that at least shouldn't get caved in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Jack ahead of Hall’s MVP season pace. Surprised Elias 2001 isn’t on here. Elias went nuts (as did much of the team) over the last quarter of that season. He finished with 40 points over his final 22 GP. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Elias went nuts (as did much of the team) over the last quarter of that season. He finished with 40 points over his final 22 GP. Along with the 13 game win streak earlier this season, I remember that run around March of 2001 where the A-Line + Mogilny were just going OFF as being the one other time where I did whatever I needed to do to get to a TV to see every Devils regular season game. Living in Philadelphia with a house full of Flyers fans back then, it was a lot harder to do than just pulling out an ipad but it was must see TV. So much fun to watch. Edited January 26, 2023 by Lateralous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, Lateralous said: ...and Tatar, Haula and Zetterlund would seem like a line that at least shouldn't get caved in Right now I’m heavily in favor of any line that Tatar and Haula are on that doesn’t involve Hughes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 *sigh* Utica has multiple jerseys that are better than anything the big club currently wears. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Lateralous said: Along with the 13 game win streak earlier this season, I remember that run around March of 2001 where the A-Line + Mogilny were just going OFF as being the one other time where I did whatever I needed to do to get to a TV to see every Devils regular season game. Living in Philadelphia with a house full of Flyers fans back then, it was a lot harder to do than just pulling out an ipad but it was must see TV. So much fun to watch. Yeah I detailed it a while back but that team enjoyed a 22-2-0 run (included 3 wins against the Canes in the playoffs) where they outscored their opponents 105-46. They were just so insanely dominant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, Nicomo said: *sigh* Utica has multiple jerseys that are better than anything the big club currently wears. Those are gorgeous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Nicomo said: *sigh* Utica has multiple jerseys that are better than anything the big club currently wears. I’ve been begging for the NJ Devils to have a scheme like this. Similar to the Stars’ neon greens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, devlman said: I’ve been begging for the NJ Devils to have a scheme like this. Similar to the Stars’ neon greens. I’d buy one of these day one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewskies Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 Imagine how lucky we are as NJ Devils fans that Fitz was able to sign VV as the backup goalie only to have VV become the #1 Starter and have an outstanding season to date and be there for an improved NJ Devils team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 I saw that our April game in Boston was moved to ABC, in prime time. Pretty big deal. Night before Easter, ch. 7! I'm bad at attachments. See James Nichols NHL Twitter feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Brewskies said: Imagine how lucky we are as NJ Devils fans that Fitz was able to sign VV as the backup goalie only to have VV become the #1 Starter and have an outstanding season to date and be there for an improved NJ Devils team. I don't think he was brought in strictly to be the backup...I think it was more "whoever emerges", though early on the Devils clearly gave Blackwood first dibs on being the 1A guy. Almost seems laughable now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Toronto?? I don’t see how they can possibly afford him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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