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Just now, MadDog2020 said:

If everyone- meaning all 32 teams- were required to report injuries, it means everyone is on equal footing. Everyone knows what everyone is dealing with. It’s an equalizer. And in a culture where betting is literally in your face at all times at this point, requiring all teams to report and be honest about injury information isn’t too much to ask. In football, there is no UBI, LBI, day-to-day, week-to-week bullsh!t where the player ends up missing five fvcking months. You know what the injury is and generally how long the player would be out. And the NFL mandates it. I’d love the NHL to do the same. 

You didnt answer the question though. How is it impacting betting really? If people are betting "on the day"... then they 100% know what's up if a player is week to week for example.

And if he misses 5 months... well up until you hear that he's coming back... well bet accordingly "on the day". I honestly don't see how that's truly a problem with gambling.

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1 minute ago, SterioDesign said:

You didnt answer the question though. How is it impacting betting really? If people are betting "on the day"... then they 100% know what's up if a player is week to week for example.

And if he misses 5 months... well up until you hear that he's coming back... well bet accordingly "on the day". I honestly don't see how that's truly a problem with gambling.

You’re right, I didn’t directly answer your question- but mfitz did in his last post. I just provided my reasoning for why I feel it’s important. 

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3 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

You didnt answer the question though. How is it impacting betting really? If people are betting "on the day"... then they 100% know what's up if a player is week to week for example.

And if he misses 5 months... well up until you hear that he's coming back... well bet accordingly "on the day". I honestly don't see how that's truly a problem with gambling.

Per my example above, it’s a problem for the house, if not the individual gambler. They want you betting as soon as possible and as often as possible. 

You don’t think ANY rules involving gambling don’t favor the house, do you? 

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

Well I think that’s what we’re talking about. If there was transparency about injuries, it would be easier to know. Sure, we know Marino is out right now. Could he be back next game or next week? He could.
 

Again, I’m not sure it translates directly to hockey but if that were Hughes instead of Marino, people might not want to bet. If they said “Hughes will not play tomorrow but he’ll be back on Tuesday”, people might place a bunch of bets for Tuesday. 

And people not betting is a HUGE problem for the gambling industry, which for some stupid reason, now provides the team with revenue through advertising. I still think that should not be allowed, personally. 

Yeah i mean gambling is pretty new to hockey anyway. And i truly don't think it should impact how teams are running their team. If anything that's a lot worse than having a logo on a jersey. which is driving some fans absolutely bonkers lol

Like i said... i have yet to hear a good reason that is a counterargument to... people bet on the day anyway and you generally know on the day if players can play or not. So is it really a problem?

Truth is... i personally believe fans just want to know selfishly and it's making them upset that they dont know... and truly... that's about it, thats the only reason and gambling is just.... some excuses lol cause its pretty new and those fans has been upset about this for years... way before betting. Right?

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3 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Per my example above, it’s a problem for the house, if not the individual gambler. They want you betting as soon as possible and as often as possible. 

Yeah but does it really impact betting? OR this is just speculation? Again, i fail to see how Marino or even Hughes not playing would have people not betting that much. If anything just bet on the other team if you really wanna throw money at it? 

And i said it before. I ALSO would love to know more. But i still see a difference between me wanting to know and having to know. i dont have to.

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8 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah i mean gambling is pretty new to hockey anyway. And i truly don't think it should impact how teams are running their team. If anything that's a lot worse than having a logo on a jersey. which is driving some fans absolutely bonkers lol

Like i said... i have yet to hear a good reason that is a counterargument to... people bet on the day anyway and you generally know on the day if players can play or not. So is it really a problem?

Truth is... i personally believe fans just want to know selfishly and it's making them upset that they dont know... and truly... that's about it, thats the only reason and gambling is just.... some excuses lol cause its pretty new and those fans has been upset about this for years... way before betting. Right?

Oh fans definitely want to know for the reason that we’re fans. But now that gambling is very prevalent, it provides a legit reason for teams to be forced to report injuries. There are BILLIONS of dollars being gambled, so forcing transparency is something that sports books would unquestionably be in favor of. Plus I’m not gonna lie- it would piss off all the teams, and that makes me LMFAO. They treat injuries like state secrets and I’d definitely get a laugh out of them not being able to insult our intelligence with the vague info anymore lol. 

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1 minute ago, SterioDesign said:

Yeah but does it really impact betting? OR this is just speculation? Again, i fail to see how Marino or even Hughes not playing would have people not betting that much. If anything just bet on the other team if you really wanna throw money at it? 

It’s speculation. Of course, betting is also 100% speculation by nature. 

You don’t think Jack Hughes playing impacts whether people will speculate that we will win or the number of goals we will score? That’s clearly not correct. I think you’re thinking of it from the perspective of “I want the Devils to win, so I bet on them”, which isn’t the case for a lot of gamblers. 

Guys take things into account for football like player injuries, home or road, the weather, who had more time off, etc.. Whether a star player is going to be playing at 100% (not even just “is he in or is he out”) definitely becomes part of the equation. 

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8 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

It’s speculation. Of course, betting is also 100% speculation by nature. 

You don’t think Jack Hughes playing impacts whether people will speculate that we will win or the number of goals we will score? That’s clearly not correct. I think you’re thinking of it from the perspective of “I want the Devils to win, so I bet on them”, which isn’t the case for a lot of gamblers. 

Guys take things into account for football like player injuries, home or road, the weather, who had more time off, etc.. Whether a star player is going to be playing at 100% (not even just “is he in or is he out”) definitely becomes part of the equation. 

Example- I’m a huge Dolphins fan who is about to witness yet another late season collapse that will unquestionably make me want to gouge my eyes out. Tua Tagavailoa (the Dolphins starting QB for you non football fans) is in concussion protocol now. Before entering protocol, the Fins were road favorites @New England for the first time in TWENTY YEARS, opening as a four point choice. Now that Tua may not play, we are three point underdogs. This sh!t matters.

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1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

It’s speculation. Of course, betting is also 100% speculation by nature. 

You don’t think Jack Hughes playing impacts whether people will speculate that we will win or the number of goals we will score? That’s clearly not correct. I think you’re thinking of it from the perspective of “I want the Devils to win, so I bet on them”, which isn’t the case for a lot of gamblers. 

Guys take things into account for football like player injuries, home or road, the weather, who had more time off, etc.. Whether a star player is going to be playing at 100% (not even just “is he in or is he out”) definitely becomes part of the equation. 

Yes i got that but that's actually what i said... if Jack is such a big factor and that he may not be playing. Wouldnt they just... bet on the other team rather than not betting at all?

But again... its EXTREMELY rare that we don't know "on game day" who's playing and who's not. And it's on that day that gamblers will look at the team, roster, etc etc to make a decision on who to bet for.

So how is it a problem for gamblers that a player is week-to-week? 

So that's why i legit don't understand how it's a problem when an injury is a week to week and beyond. As long as you know on the day, that's all you need for betting no?

Anyone following the team can see that... okay he's practicing but with a grey jersey so he's NOT playing today... or he has a practice jersey so he's cleared for contact.... at this point we usually know that a return is immiment but again... almost everytime those guys do come back... it's always depending on how they feel on the day. 

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4 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Example- I’m a huge Dolphins fan who is about to witness yet another late season collapse that will unquestionably make me want to gouge my eyes out. Tua Tagavailoa (the Dolphins starting QB for you non football fans) is in concussion protocol now. Before entering protocol, the Fins were road favorites @New England for the first time in TWENTY YEARS, opening as a four point choice. Now that Tua may not play, we are three point underdogs. This sh!t matters.

yeah but that just mean that people will gamble... differently. Not that they won't gamble at all. Which then shouldnt impact.... the house or wtv what mfitz was talking about

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3 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Example- I’m a huge Dolphins fan who is about to witness yet another late season collapse that will unquestionably make me want to gouge my eyes out. Tua Tagavailoa (the Dolphins starting QB for you non football fans) is in concussion protocol now. Before entering protocol, the Fins were road favorites @New England for the first time in TWENTY YEARS, opening as a four point choice. Now that Tua may not play, we are three point underdogs. This sh!t matters.

Speaking of, man I hope you guys shut him down for the year at this point. What is this now - the 3rd one this season? And obviously the one against my Bengals was particularly bad. Scary stuff. 

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1 minute ago, Nicomo said:

Speaking of, man I hope you guys shut him down for the year at this point. What is this now - the 3rd one this season? And obviously the one against my Bengals was particularly bad. Scary stuff. 

Word is he’ll clear protocol by tomorrow and actually may play. I’ll roll with the doctors. If they tell him to shut it down, then shut it down. 

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5 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah but that just mean that people will gamble... differently. Not that they won't gamble at all. Which then shouldnt impact.... the house or wtv what mfitz was talking about

Perhaps, but accurate and transparent injury info is important when it comes to gambling. It used to be only degenerates bet on hockey. But that’s not how it is anymore in the new sports gambling landscape. 

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7 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Word is he’ll clear protocol by tomorrow and actually may play. I’ll roll with the doctors. If they tell him to shut it down, then shut it down. 

Ok well taking this as an example... how is this different than in the NHL when players are game time decisions?

And i obviously have a history of explaining myself horribly, plus i dont gamble at all so im not familiar with anything.

But what my question comes down to is.... people bet "on the day" right?

And in 99% of the time... on the day... you know who's playing... who's not... and who's a game time decision (which we can agree that then nobody knows if players will play or not so there's nothing to do other than wait and see). Isn't that correct?

So if thats correct... how is it a big problem that teams are using the week to week verbiage and all that stuff. As long as you know on the day, when it comes to gambling its all you should require

 

I mean you say the NFL have more transparacy and all but you still dont know if that important dude is playing tomorrow... so is it really helping? its tomorrow and you still dont know right?

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7 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Yes i got that but that's actually what i said... if Jack is such a big factor and that he may not be playing. Wouldnt they just... bet on the other team rather than not betting at all?

Some might, others might choose not to place that bet at all. And the house wants you to bet as much and as often as possible. If you were betting on 5 games and you decided to bet on just 5 of them because of Hughes, that’s a big problem for the house. 

7 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

yeah but that just mean that people will gamble... differently. Not that they won't gamble at all. Which then shouldnt impact.... the house or wtv what mfitz was talking about

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. Maybe they decide they will just avoid that game. Betting one less game means a loss for the house. 

 

9 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

So how is it a problem for gamblers that a player is week-to-week? 

You’re still missing my point. Full injury reports don’t simply benefit the gamblers, they benefit the house. They want you betting as much as possible.

And, whether a player is in or out isn’t the only consideration. Even when a guy comes back, he may not be 100% depending on what his injury was. Knowing he was week to week and now he’s back doesn’t tell the full story, as guys don’t necessarily come back at 100% every time. 

Full injury disclosure benefits the house, and rules that benefit the house benefit the team and the league because the more successful they are, the more ad space/time they can pay for.

None of that is for the benefit of the gambler. 

14 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Anyone following the team can see that... okay he's practicing but with a grey jersey so he's NOT playing today... or he has a practice jersey so he's cleared for contact.... at this point we usually know that a return is immiment but again... almost everytime those guys do come back... it's always depending on how they feel on the day. 

Again, you are looking  at it from a fan perspective. A guy betting on 5-10 games probably isn’t that tuned into every team he is betting on. A smart gambler would be; there are plenty who are not that smart. 

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6 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Ok well taking this as an example... how is this different than in the NHL when players are game time decisions?

And i obviously have a history of explaining myself horribly, plus i dont gamble at all so im not familiar with anything.

But what my question comes down to is.... people bet "on the day" right?

And in 99% of the time... on the day... you know who's playing... who's not... and who's a game time decision (which we can agree that then nobody knows if players will play or not so there's nothing to do other than wait and see). Isn't that correct?

So if thats correct... how is it a big problem? 

Because in football there is an actual injury report. In the example I mentioned, we’re gonna know definitively before Sunday if Tua will play. This won’t be a game time decision, because he has to clear the NFL’s concussion protocol by tomorrow or he’s out. If he clears, he’s playing. That will radically effect the line either way.  So there will be no doubt or vague half-truths in this situation, and doubt and vague half-truths about injuries don’t give bettors confidence. Transparency. 

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9 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

Some might, others might choose not to place that bet at all. And the house wants you to bet as much and as often as possible. If you were betting on 5 games and you decided to bet on just 5 of them because of Hughes, that’s a big problem for the house. 

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. Maybe they decide they will just avoid that game. Betting one less game means a loss for the house. 

You’re still missing my point. Full injury reports don’t simply benefit the gamblers, they benefit the house. They want you betting as much as possible.

And, whether a player is in or out isn’t the only consideration. Even when a guy comes back, he may not be 100% depending on what his injury was. Knowing he was week to week and now he’s back doesn’t tell the full story, as guys don’t necessarily come back at 100% every time. 

Full injury disclosure benefits the house, and rules that benefit the house benefit the team and the league because the more successful they are, the more ad space/time they can pay for.

None of that is for the benefit of the gambler. 

Again, you are looking  at it from a fan perspective. A guy betting on 5-10 games probably isn’t that tuned into every team he is betting on. A smart gambler would be; there are plenty who are not that smart. 

Can you explain how someone would bet on 5 games at once because of Hughes? 

Are they betting for like.... a 2-3 weeks span? Again, i dont gamble or bet so im fvcking clueless. But if that'S what some do. Isn't that dumb considering Hughes might get injured in game 1? 

Also it's not that im necessarely missing the point. it's that i dont have a clue what a house mean in gambling lol

 

 

And anyway. This got heavy in the gamble talk but is it even a "good reason"? since when is... marketing, ads placement and all that stuff something that fans agree should influence the on ice product and team management? If the team management don't want to give out those details... there's a reasons... and i fail to see how... gambling would be a good reason that everyone would get behind to force their hands on the matter. Fans sure don't agree that "more money is a good thing" when it comes to ads and that stuff

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4 minutes ago, SterioDesign said:

Can you explain how someone would bet on 5 games at once because of Hughes

There is what is called a parlay where you can bet several games on one card. If you have five and Hughes doesn’t play and you do a 4-team parlay instead of five, that’s less of your money the house is likely to gain. 

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Just now, SterioDesign said:

Can you explain how someone would bet on 5 games at once because of Hughes? 

Are they betting for like.... a 2-3 weeks span? Again, i dont gamble or bet so im fvcking clueless. But if that'S what some do. Isn't that dumb considering Hughes might get injured in game 1? 

Also it's not that im necessarely missing the point. it's that i dont have a clue what a house mean in gambling lol

The “house” is who you are placing a bet with. Like in a  casino, you go play blackjack, you’re playing against the “house”, not against the other players. The casino is the “house”, so is Draft Kings or whomever. 

You’re still thinking like a fan; I’m not talking about 5 Devils games, I’m talking about tomorrow, a gambler might choose to bet on the Devils game and 4 other games. Or, not knowing if Hughes would play (in our scenarios, anyway), they may elect not to bet the Devils game and just bet the other 4. 

One person not betting is irrelevant. Now, say THOUSANDS of people don’t make that bet. Now the house is losing money, in theory, because they don’t get anything from those missed bets. 

As you pointed out, it is all speculation, because in theory those missed bets could end up, after a Devils win despite Jack’s absence, saving them tons of money. 

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1 minute ago, MadDog2020 said:

There is what is called a parlay where you can bet several games on one card. If you have five and Hughes doesn’t play and you do a 4-team parlay instead of five, that’s less of your money the house is likely to gain. 

Or, you could just place separate bets on different games and just bet on one less because you don’t know what that team’s star player’s health picture is. Same theory, the house loses an opportunity to take your money. 

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sports books also push prop bets, like “Eric Haula records 1 point (+500)”. If you don’t know whether or not Jack Hughes is playing that’s a dramatically different bet. 

if there’s a chance that the house is provided better information than the bettor, there’s a major issue. 

the nhl needs to crack down on injury designations like all other major sports or they need to stop promoting sports gambling with such fervor. 

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3 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

The “house” is who you are placing a bet with. Like in a  casino, you go play blackjack, you’re playing against the “house”, not against the other players. The casino is the “house”, so is Draft Kings or whomever. 

You’re still thinking like a fan; I’m not talking about 5 Devils games, I’m talking about tomorrow, a gambler might choose to bet on the Devils game and 4 other games. Or, not knowing if Hughes would play (in our scenarios, anyway), they may elect not to bet the Devils game and just bet the other 4. 

One person not betting is irrelevant. Now, say THOUSANDS of people don’t make that bet. Now the house is losing money, in theory, because they don’t get anything from those missed bets. 

As you pointed out, it is all speculation, because in theory those missed bets could end up, after a Devils win despite Jack’s absence, saving them tons of money. 

well stop telling me that im thinking like a fan because i understood "5 devils" games. You didn't explain it very well. You said

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If you were betting on 5 games and you decided to bet on just 5 of them because of Hughes, that’s a big problem for the house.

Imagine not having context and reading this? Why would you bet on just 5 games because of Jack Hughes? If you're not sure about that one devils game... you can just pick another game that night if you really wanted to bet on 5 games. 

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34 minutes ago, Nicomo said:

You will literally argue over anything. 

Can you just stop? We're having a conversation. Obviously i'm not into gambling and don't understand many things and ive been asking many questions cause i just don't see how it's really relevant and im trying to understand. it's a conversation on a slow day with no hockey. 

But of course you have to put this through your godamn filter and see this as me doing something negative as usual.

And as of now, nobody yet explained to me how a week-to-week injury is impacting betting negatively considering you'd still know on the day you're putting the bet if a player is playing or not whengamblers can just bet on a different team or different game / keep the same amounts of bet for the house or wtv. It hasn't been explained or i didn't understand it but this is not "arguing". If you don't like it just don't read it for the love of god

 

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