mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Bonginator11 said: https://www.nj.com/devils/2022/12/devils-jesper-bratt-reaffirms-long-term-deal-commitment-as-jan-1-extension-window-looms.html?outputType=amp Time is running out… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB3 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Time is running out… it’s more and more looking like a guy (or an agent, or both) that’s playing hardball. hope fitz doesn’t bend; he’s an important piece but he isn’t worth a nickel more than $8m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, MB3 said: it’s more and more looking like a guy (or an agent, or both) that’s playing hardball. hope fitz doesn’t bend; he’s an important piece but he isn’t worth a nickel more than $8m I would give him $8m and a nickel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 I’m still fine with slightly overpaying Bratt. Getting both your two cornerstone pieces on team friendly deals enables you to do that. We need to add to our winger group, not subtract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nicomo said: I’m still fine with slightly overpaying Bratt. Getting both your two cornerstone pieces on team friendly deals enables you to do that. We need to add to our winger group, not subtract. Understatement of the year. If we were to lose Bratt, we’d need the best available free agent, who would probably cost more. If you can even get a PPG-ish guy with potential for more to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB3 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 It’s a great free agent class. If the Devils trade Bratt and then use the $8.5+ for a guy like Meier or Pasternak instead would anyone be upset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, MB3 said: It’s a great free agent class. If the Devils trade Bratt and then use the $8.5+ for a guy like Meier or Pasternak instead would anyone be upset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, MB3 said: It’s a great free agent class. If the Devils trade Bratt and then use the $8.5+ for a guy like Meier or Pasternak instead would anyone be upset? Would love either of those guys, but there’s no guarantee they’ll sign with the Devils. And even if one of them did, you’d still only have one true top 6 winger if you let Bratt walk. Ideally you want both Jack and Nico to have a top winger on their respective lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Would love either of those guys, but there’s no guarantee they’ll sign with the Devils. And even if one of them did, you’d still only have one true top 6 winger if you let Bratt walk. Ideally you want both Jack and Nico to have a top winger on their respective lines. I’m also not sure you get Pastrnak for $8.5m, he is having what looks to be a career year. He is going to get paid. Side note, how the fvck is he only 26? Feels like he has been in the league for 12 years. Edited December 30, 2022 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB3 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Thought experiment; Would you rather Bratt ($8.5) and Meier ($9.5) or Pasternak ($11.5) and Bertuzzi ($6.5)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Posted December 30, 2022 Author Share Posted December 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, MB3 said: Thought experiment; Would you rather Bratt ($8.5) and Meier ($9.5) or Pasternak ($11.5) and Bertuzzi ($6.5)? The former Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB3 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 The devils should blow their proverbial wad trying to sign Pasternak. Will be a 27-year old 3-time 40 goal scorer (should be 4-time if not for the COVID year. Right handed shot. They should make it known to his agent that whatever anyone else offers, the Devils will beat it by a million bucks a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Just now, Crisis said: The former If those were the options, I would agree. Obviously it’s only academic as you would be counting on two high end free agents to agree to come here. And I think he might be low on Bertuzzi’s eventual number. Just now, MB3 said: The devils should blow their proverbial wad trying to sign Pasternak. Will be a 27-year old 3-time 40 goal scorer (should be 4-time if not for the COVID year. Right handed shot. They should make it known to his agent that whatever anyone else offers, the Devils will beat it by a million bucks a season. I would agree. But losing Bratt to get him is only a slight improvement. Adding him to a team which also has Bratt is a huge improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB3 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 1 minute ago, mfitz804 said: If those were the options, I would agree. Obviously it’s only academic as you would be counting on two high end free agents to agree to come here. And I think he might be low on Bertuzzi’s eventual number. I would agree. But losing Bratt to get him is only a slight improvement. Adding him to a team which also has Bratt is a huge improvement. losing bratt to get pasternak is not only a slight improvement. it’s a colossal, franchise changing monumental improvement for a guy who will only cost $3ish more per year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Just now, MB3 said: losing bratt to get pasternak is not only a slight improvement. it’s a colossal, franchise changing monumental improvement for a guy who will only cost $3ish more per year. No, that’s wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fansinz88 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, MB3 said: Thought experiment; Would you rather Bratt ($8.5) and Meier ($9.5) or Pasternak ($11.5) and Bertuzzi ($6.5)? P and B easy. But Boston is not letting Pastrnak go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 After all the stuff with Blackwood being anti-vax I can’t imagine signing Bertuzzi going over very well with a lot of folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Just now, Fansinz88 said: P and B easy. But Boston is not letting Pastrnak go. Well yeah, there’s also that. Just now, Nicomo said: After all the stuff with Blackwood being anti-vax I can’t imagine signing Bertuzzi going over very well with a lot of folks. This is true as well. Not that anybody cares about Covid anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) No sh!t... Edited December 30, 2022 by Satans Hockey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Crisis said: The former 21 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: If those were the options, I would agree. Obviously it’s only academic as you would be counting on two high end free agents to agree to come here. And I think he might be low on Bertuzzi’s eventual number. Former means the 1st option. So Bratt/Meier. And I actually think I agree. Pasta is the best player out of all of them, but I’d rather have Bratt than Bertuzzi. And Meier playing with Nico is something we’ve all been talking about for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Nicomo said: Former means the 1st option. So Bratt/Meier. And I actually think I agree. Pasta is the best player out of all of them, but I’d rather have Bratt than Bertuzzi. And Meier playing with Nico is something we’ve all been talking about for years. Yeah, I know what former and latter mean. I was picking the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said: No sh!t... Tell your mutant fvcking teammates that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: If those were the options, I would agree. Obviously it’s only academic as you would be counting on two high end free agents to agree to come here. 1 minute ago, mfitz804 said: Yeah, I know what former and latter mean. I was picking the former. You’re not really making sense. Bratt is already there. The former option only relies on 1 big FA to “come” there - Meier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Just now, Nicomo said: You’re not really making sense. Bratt is already there. The former option only relies on 1 big FA to “come” there - Meier. And the other two are, which in my opinion makes it academic, because you would have to count on both agreeing to come here. I guess I could have explained it better, but given that I obviously know Jesper Bratt plays for us, I think the two free agents I was talking about are pretty obvious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 What is Grier's strategy with Meier? Is it basically rental, sign and trade, or let him walk to UFA at this point? SJ also has LeBlanc signed for a couple more uears and he's a UFA as well, though his production has slowed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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