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56 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said:

Stop gaslighting me!

At least you’re not being gatekept…

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17 hours ago, Rob_Ottawa said:

And his contract is ridiculously low and locked in for years. Steal trade of the year.

If anything I wonder why the hell ANYONE would trust Ron Hextall to be their team's GM.  He's Mike Milbury Part Deux.

Curious to see what happens next with Bratt's contract situation...Fitz put it out there that there's an offer on the table.  Would be nice to see his agent try to get this one done, and not fvck around trying to squeeze pennies.

If anything, looks like Bratt's settled into what his likely ceiling is going to be...70-80 points per 82 GP, and a threat to score 30 goals any given season.  That's obviously plenty good and no one will quibble with that kind of production from a Top 6 player...but it's not great...and it's not like he's a guy like Nico, who brings a lot more to the table than point production.  And the Devils shouldn't really pay $9+ million AAV for what Jesper brings...he's probably more of a $7 - 7.5 million AAV kind player, but I get that he'll absolutely get more than that...hopefully he settles in the low $8 million range somewhere, much as I don't love him being paid more than Jack. 

Just hope his side is willing to be reasonable, but his agent sure seems like one of "those" agents.  

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37 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

If anything I wonder why the hell ANYONE would trust Ron Hextall to be their team's GM.  He's Mike Milbury Part Deux.

Curious to see what happens next with Bratt's contract situation...Fitz put it out there that there's an offer on the table.  Would be nice to see his agent try to get this one done, and not fvck around trying to squeeze pennies.

If anything, looks like Bratt's settled into what his likely ceiling is going to be...70-80 points per 82 GP, and a threat to score 30 goals any given season.  That's obviously plenty good and no one will quibble with that kind of production from a Top 6 player...but it's not great...and it's not like he's a guy like Nico, who brings a lot more to the table than point production.  And the Devils shouldn't really pay $9+ million AAV for what Jesper brings...he's probably more of a $7 - 7.5 million AAV kind player, but I get that he'll absolutely get more than that...hopefully he settles in the low $8 million range somewhere, much as I don't love him being paid more than Jack. 

Just hope his side is willing to be reasonable, but his agent sure seems like one of "those" agents.  

Bratt is 8-8.5 mil player. I said it past summer, nothing changed now. Market changed, same deals were done before. Bratt is very good play driver, it`s rare. But he is average defensively. In some aspects below average, in some aspect above. He will make mathematic mistake if he will decide to sign QO and taste the market after. He will lose 3 mil on QO and will sign 500K+ maximum on the market. And will take a risk of getting injury. I don`t know what the hell he and his agent are doing now. I can` believe that after sign Thomas, B Tkachuk, Norris, Kyrou and actual deals of Hintz, Larkin and Horvat Fitz didn`t offer something like 8-8.7 There is very little chance that Bratt will find 9+ mil deal on the market. 

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44 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Just hope his side is willing to be reasonable, but his agent sure seems like one of "those" agents.  

If Bratt really wants to be a part of things long term then he should strap on a pair and tell his agent to get it done.

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Just now, Aitchmack said:

If Bratt really wants to be a part of things long term then he should strap on a pair and tell his agent to get it done.

I agree with Guadana, in that if the Devils are in the $8 - 8.5 million range with their offer, then Bratt’s camp needs to get it fvcking done already.  That’s it.

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He’s also on pace to break Stevens single season points record for a defenseman (78). He had a bit of rough game defensively last night, which tends to happen from time to time with him, but that’s pretty easy to live with when he’s giving you this kind of production. 

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1 hour ago, Nicomo said:

He’s also on pace to break Stevens single season points record for a defenseman (78). He had a bit of rough game defensively last night, which tends to happen from time to time with him, but that’s pretty easy to live with when he’s giving you this kind of production. 

Yeah Dougie will have his WTF moments, but when he’s producing at a PPG pace, you can live with them.  

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Oh well...last night's loss notwithstanding, there's plenty of obvious positives:

The Devils now possess a superstar forward who could potentially score 50 goals and notch 100 points over any 82-game stretch, and four other forwards who could flirt with 30+ goals and a PPG any given season.  This team has scored 3+ goals in 49 out of 63 GP (and of course hasn't been shut out all season), and of course most of this was accomplished without Timo joining the fray.  Naturally there's flaws here and there among these five Top-6ers, and we're not exactly sure who will round out this group (maybe another season or two of Tatar to get by?), but this is absolutely a Top 6 that you feel comfortable going into battle with.  And an added bonus is now there's no pressure at all to rush Holtz, who always struck me as a guy who was never going to be a fast-track kind of talent.  I think slow and steady with the approach to his development has a much better chance to pay off in time...still not convinced that he'll pay off, but I feel a lot better about his chances if he's not just thrown onto the big club without enough experience or real guidance.

There's a good group of defensemen here, and it looks like Lindy finally sees what everyone else did about 40 games ago:  Smith is god-awful.  Someone better able to make adjustments will find ways to get more out of what's here, and of course, we know L Hughes and Nemec could be with the big club as soon as next year...and as fun and exciting as that will be, their presence in the lineup will come with some growing pains.  But a group of, say, Hamilton, Marino, Siegs, L Hughes, Nemec, and Bahl (he's obviously a big if, but at least he's shown some signs of possibly being able to stick, and I'm only asking him to be a bottom-pair guy who uses his size)...that should be a plenty solid bunch.  I would love to keep Graves, but of course with Plan A being Bratt and Timo signing costly extensions, there's really just not much of a way to do it.  Sometimes you simply gotta roll the dice on the cheaper, younger kids within your system.

I don't want to blow up VV's recent slump too too much, but I guess we're still trying to figure out what he is exactly.  He's largely done what Fitz has asked of him:  basically, be healthier and better than Mac.  But when you break down his season performance, his overall numbers are a little misleading (I'm throwing out the first couple of games of the season, one of which was a start, and the other a relief appearance...they weren't good stat-wise but he got it going so quickly that I don't want to make a big deal out of those games, especially when the entire team didn't exactly shred it in right out of the gate):

10/25 - 12/6:  15 GP, 12-1-1, .932 save%

12/9 - 12/20:  4 GP, 0-2-1, .831 save%

12/23 - 2/18:  15 GP, 12-1-1, .927 save%

2/21 - 3/7:  5 GP, 3-2-0, .821 save%

He's really been quite good most of the time, but of course, if he looks shaky during the playoffs, the question will immediately become "OK, so is he a guy who can only take you so far?  Can he raise his game come playoff time?  Make those big saves?"  His playoff sample is not good, but it's also puny...just 113 minutes over three games, and an .855 save%.  Jury's still out on him, in terms of whether he's a solid stopgap or a guy who's a long-term solution, but the fact remains that he's absolutely been an upgrade over what was here, and extremely cost-effective at that, especially since there's backups who make more than his AAV.  I wanna see him first snap out of this funk, not all of which is on him, as the Devils can really get both running around in their own end AND are prone to leave the wrong guys wide-open in the worst spots.

So one of those infuriating losses last night, but still lots to be happy about and to look forward to, even with some questions still needing to be answered.

 

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I know Fitz openly said he had an offer to Bratt’s camp (or something to that degree) but in Friedman’s 32 Thoughts today, he also confirmed talks are on going.

I want to believe Bratt wants to be here, and I want to think Fitz’ comments aboht not paying anyone more than Jack is part of his tactics, but I can’t see Bratt taking less than Horvat’s $8.5. Especially with Pasta getting over $10m.

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6 minutes ago, jagknife said:

I know Fitz openly said he had an offer to Bratt’s camp (or something to that degree) but in Friedman’s 32 Thoughts today, he also confirmed talks are on going.

I want to believe Bratt wants to be here, and I want to think Fitz’ comments aboht not paying anyone more than Jack is part of his tactics, but I can’t see Bratt taking less than Horvat’s $8.5. Especially with Pasta getting over $10m.

Pasta is an infinitely better player than Bratt though. 

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1 hour ago, jagknife said:

I know Fitz openly said he had an offer to Bratt’s camp (or something to that degree) but in Friedman’s 32 Thoughts today, he also confirmed talks are on going.

I want to believe Bratt wants to be here, and I want to think Fitz’ comments aboht not paying anyone more than Jack is part of his tactics, but I can’t see Bratt taking less than Horvat’s $8.5. Especially with Pasta getting over $10m.

Yeah I'm basically to the point if Fitz gets both Bratt and Timo signed to under $18 million combined, I'll consider that a win.  I don't kid myself that at least one won’t be getting a higher AAV than Jack, but I'm expecting that both will.

Been over it but the circumstances when Jack signed his deal are much different than Bratt and Timo's.  Jack was just 20 years old when he signed his extension and clearly hadn't blossomed yet...fortunately that happened so quickly after he signed that it looks like as long as he stays healthy, Jack has just about made his new deal borderline obsolete in Year 1.  But that's part of the risk for signing up for full-term as such a young age...just like it was a risk for Fitz to offer him that kind of money and term based solely on promise.

Bratt and Timo are now in their second consecutive seasons of PPG performance and are in their mid-20s and firmly what should be "You know what you're getting" prime years...those guys are not usually as "easy" to get on potential bargain deals the way ELC-expiring kids like Jack and Nico are.  Bratt and Timo will get fair market value and as long as they don't see their games fall off a cliff and don't miss games, you can easily live with their hits.  But if Fitz wants to keep them, he's going to have to pay...not to an absurd level, but not at much of a discount either.  

 

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8 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Yeah I'm basically to the point if Fitz gets both Bratt and Timo signed to under $18 million combined, I'll consider that a win.  I don't kid myself that at least one is getting a higher AAV than Jack, but I'm expecting that both will.

Been over it but the circumstances when Jack signed his deal are much different than Bratt and Timo's.  Jack was just 20 years old when he signed his extension and clearly hadn't blossomed yet...fortunately that happened so quickly after he signed that it looks like as long as he stays healthy, Jack has just about made his new deal borderline obsolete in Year 1.  But that's part of the risk for signing up for full-term as such a young age...just like it was a risk for Fitz to offer him that kind of money and term based solely on promise.

Bratt and Timo are now in their second consecutive seasons of PPG performance and are in their mid-20s and firmly what should be "You know what you're getting" prime years...those guys are not usually as "easy" to get on potential bargain deals the way ELC-expiring kids like Jack and Nico are.  Bratt and Timo will get fair market value and as long as they don't see their games fall off a cliff and don't miss games, you can easily live with their hits.  But if Fitz wants to keep them, he's going to have to pay...not to an absurd level, but not at much of a discount either.  

 

Matching 8x9’s would be insanely awesome for the course of the core’s future

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