GDT: 12/3/2022, Devils v. Flyers, 7:00 pm, MSGSN

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

My perception of Patrik hasn't really changed...very good player and borderline HHoFamer...I'd like to see him get in.  

At one point it absolutely looked like he was headed for superstar status...from 12/14/1999 through the end of the 2001 season, he played in 136 regular seasons games and scored 76 goals and added 86 assists...at the time I thought he was going to finish with at least one or two 100+ point seasons, he was that good.  I've been over it several times but to summarize, I don't think Lou always did right by him...I think there was a bit of "Patrik can make it work with anyone we put him with."...at times he was stuck trying to make guys like Zubrus happen.  I guess one way of putting it is that Patrik probably had superstar talent but due to a lot of factors didn't quite have a superstar career.  But that's not to knock him...there's no shame in being very good and it's not like there's tons of NHLers who've finished with 1000 points or more.

And on another note, Corey Perry a HHoFamer?  Give me a break.  You put him in and a lot of guys who've been snubbed previously should become instant hall-of-famers AFAIC...Roenick, Brind'Amour, Pierre Turgeon, etc.   

[mfitz804]

4 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

I don’t disagree, I was merely pointing out the argument that people make. Which has some more credibility than the Marty argument. Nobody has ever credibly made that argument, only Rangers fans, and Devils haters.

And maybe Canadiens fans, because of Roy. 

[Puckbuster]

4 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Jesper Boqvist is in our NHL lineup, and when bastion got hurt, we had to bring up Andreas Johnsson. I don’t know if I would call that depth.

What is wrong with Boqvist playing a 3 line role?  What do you think will happen when Palat comes back?  The season started with people bitching there wasn’t enough room for Holtz.  You are wrong this team is deep.  The only other team rolling with for lines is Boston.  Just about every other contender is top heavy.  No team has 4 lines of all stars.

[mfitz804]

Just now, Puckbuster said:

What is wrong with Boqvist playing a 3 line role?  What do you think will happen when Palat comes back?  The season started with people bitching there wasn’t enough room for Holtz.  You are wrong this team is deep.  The only other team rolling with for lines is Boston.  Just about every other contender is top heavy.  No team has 4 lines of all stars.

What is wrong with Boqvist is he is not an NHL level player except for like 10 games a season when he fools people into thinking he is. 

Mike McLeod will not hold his scoring pace either. 

Who was complaining there wasn't room for Holtz? Holtz wasn't here because he isn't an NHL player yet. 

In what way is the team deep? if someone got injured today, who are they bringing up from the AHL to fill that spot? Mason Geertsen?

[Puckbuster]

3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

And on another note, Corey Perry a HHoFamer?  Give me a break.  You put him in and a lot of guys who've been snubbed previously should become instant hall-of-famers AFAIC...Roenick, Brind'Amour, Pierre Turgeon, etc. 

No sh!t, I can’t believe those players aren’t in. 3 players from big markets.

[Puckbuster]

2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

What is wrong with Boqvist is he is not an NHL level player except for like 10 games a season when he fools people into thinking he is. 

Mike McLeod will not hold his scoring pace either. 

Who was complaining there wasn't room for Holtz? Holtz wasn't here because he isn't an NHL player yet. 

In what way is the team deep? if someone got injured today, who are they bringing up from the AHL to fill that spot? Mason Geertsen?

They are winning with Boqvist and Holtz in the lineup.  They are holding the fort until Palat and Bastian are back.  That is depth.

And, yes, there was a sh!t storm why Tatar is playing top line minutes over Holtz.  Just like everyone hated Akira last year.

McLeod is good at what he does.

And who do the Avs bring with all their injuries or the Leafs with all the blue line injuries?  You think they have NHL players sitting 4 deep in the AHL?

you people on here think you know so much sh!t, but you don’t.  The team is deep.  The major issue on the team is lack of size at the forward position.  This is why they still struggle against the hard hitting teams.  They manage to win, but it is a struggle, just look at the numbers decline as they play more games against better teams.

 

[mfitz804]

5 minutes ago, Puckbuster said:

They are winning with Boqvist and Holtz in the lineup.  They are holding the fort until Palat and Bastian are back.  That is depth.

And, yes, there was a sh!t storm why Tatar is playing top line minutes over Holtz.  Just like everyone hated Akira last year.

McLeod is good at what he does.

And who do the Avs bring with all their injuries or the Leafs with all the blue line injuries?  You think they have NHL players sitting 4 deep in the AHL?

you people on here think you know so much sh!t, but you don’t.  The team is deep.  The major issue on the team is lack of size at the forward position.  This is why they still struggle against the hard hitting teams.  They manage to win, but it is a struggle, just look at the numbers decline as they play more games against better teams.

 

We are 4-3 with Holtz in the lineup, I am not sure that shows much of anything. 

If you call that depth, fine. I don't think Holtz or Boqvist even belong in the league, McLeod is borderline. 

A lot of people in here think they know sh!t. You're one of them. Your belittling of other people's opinions doesn't make you right. 

 

[Puckbuster]

4 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

We are 4-3 with Holtz in the lineup, I am not sure that shows much of anything. 

If you call that depth, fine. I don't think Holtz or Boqvist even belong in the league, McLeod is borderline. 

A lot of people in here think they know sh!t. You're one of them. Your belittling of other people's opinions doesn't make you right. 

 

First, I want to apologize for my sh!tty remark.  You are right that I was belittling people’s opinions and I will add that I am not the expert here.  I will own that and hope that people will forgive me for it.  I come here for a discussion and to learn from others.  Sorry for the disrespect.

Yes we are 4-3 with Holtz in the line and I think we all agree that he is not ready.  However, that is above .500 and when the team has significant injuries, such as, Palat, Bastian and, I would say, MB 4-3 is not bad.  Also, I think because they are doing so well, overall this season, Holtz is getting more time than he may have earned at the NHL level and we can’t say that there aren’t other options in Utica that aren’t a 7OA that could have a better impact.  As far as, McLeod he is a 4th line role player.  I think what he brings is enough for a productive BMW line.  What other team can put out a fourth line like the Devils?

I really don’t see any team, as deep as, the Devils, other than Boston and maybe Vegas.  Just as an example the Ava took a 5-0 beating because of lack of depth.  Then there is Toronto with a decimated blue line, they may have fought lightning in a bottle with all the call ups.

With Palat we are looking at lines:

(this just an illustration and not necessarily the lines that are appropriate.)

Palat-Hughes-Bratt

Mercer-Nico-Sharan

Tatar-Haula-Zetterlund

Wood-McLeod-Bastian

When MB returns:

VV

MB

Schmid

Things would have to go really south with more injuries and then the options would Tyce, Foote

At defense there is Okhutyuk, Walsh.

After that any more injuries any team would tank.

But we may have to agree to disagree.

[mfitz804]

29 minutes ago, Puckbuster said:

First, I want to apologize for my sh!tty remark.  You are right that I was belittling people’s opinions and I will add that I am not the expert here.  I will own that and hope that people will forgive me for it.  I come here for a discussion and to learn from others.  Sorry for the disrespect.

All good my man. 

regarding the rest, our fourth wind has caught some lightning in a bottle. Those guys have been playing very well and I’m very happy with them. I don’t know if it’s sustainable. We’ve seen these players for a couple of years, and holding aside the fact that Wood was injured, we have seen some pretty bad play from them.  but I guess you could also say that about most of our team. 
 

[Nicomo]

I actually think having a guy that scored 20 goals in the NHL one season not even being the first call up points to pretty damn good depth honestly. 

[Puckbuster]

3 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

All good my man. 

regarding the rest, our fourth wind has caught some lightning in a bottle. Those guys have been playing very well and I’m very happy with them. I don’t know if it’s sustainable. We’ve seen these players for a couple of years, and holding aside the fact that Wood was injured, we have seen some pretty bad play from them.  but I guess you could also say that about most of our team. 
 

Sorry, but I just don’t understand what team has more depth?  The Rangers?  Can’t be Vesey is on their top line.  Boston?  Zacha is their second line winger.  Toronto?  Would you rather have Pontus Holmberg as our 4th line center?  Maybe the Avs? Who do they have at center after MacKinnon?  Just look around the league.  The Devils are by far one of the deepest teams in the league.  At forward and D.  I will hold out at goal.  Even there an argument can be made.  McLeod is a face off beast, can hit and get 20 points on an impact line and if wood can get you another 25 goals that is incredible. How many teams have that?  If there is anything this team lacks is size at the forward position.  They would be a better team with a top line power forward.  If what we have seen from VV and Akira in net, that is great and they should be set for a few years.  Finally, this team is young.  They will make the playoffs, hopefully get through the first round, gain a sh!t ton of experience, get more hardened and comeback even better next season.  If they can do what the Rangers did even better, but it will not be a fluke.

[mfitz804]

On 12/4/2022 at 12:42 PM, Satans Hockey said:

Never wear the hats with the jerseys or just never wear the hats period? If period then why bother buying them? 

In a turn of events, my RR hat came and as I was opening it, my wife came along and snatched it from my hands and said “oh great, that’s a Christmas gift”. Apparently anything you buy in the month of December counts as a gift and goes under the tree. 

I protested but, since she knows me, she cleverly hit me with “You can wait to not wear it until after Christmas.”

I had no response to that. See you in 3 weeks, RR hat.