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35 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

Dude that would be awesome to bring Henrique back. We also know he performs well in big games. 

I see it as a relatively minor tweak move that could pay off some if made, and wouldn’t cost much to make.  The big question is would the Ducks be willing to eat about half his coin?  Because he is absolutely not worth his current cap hit.

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6 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I see it as a relatively minor tweak move that could pay off some if made, and wouldn’t cost much to make.  The big question is would the Ducks be willing to eat about half his coin?  Because he is absolutely not worth his current cap hit.

Yeah the cap hit is brutal. I would give them a sweetener to eat half of it though. Maybe throw in a pick or a prospect along with a roster player. 

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19 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Counterpoint, he is only making $2m AAV right now. I'm not sure a 20 goal guy who kills penalties and occasionaly gets really hot and could score 25 isn't a bargain at $2m. How much would his next deal be worth at this point?

In a world where we still have Boqvist on the team (despite a good game yesterday), and with the "cap problems" that we could have but never actually happen, should we be looking to get rid of a cheap guy like Sharangovich?

I think Yegor has quite a bit of value, too. He has weaknesses that frustrate us, but I think other teams would be interested. 

Was Sami Vatanen ever roasted on that goal by Henrique. Wow.

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35 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

I think Yegor has quite a bit of value, too. He has weaknesses that frustrate us, but I think other teams would be interested. 

Was Sami Vatanen ever roasted on that goal by Henrique. Wow.

Yegor is that “just young enough and has done just enough” guy that teams just starting a rebuild should be willing to take a look at…and in return, they can give up a decent solid vet who can help his new team, but no longer really fits his current team’s timeline…that’s why I suggested Henrique.  

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18 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I see it as a relatively minor tweak move that could pay off some if made, and wouldn’t cost much to make.  The big question is would the Ducks be willing to eat about half his coin?  Because he is absolutely not worth his current cap hit.

If they get a player like Sharangovich in return, I think they would. I would rather see the Devils use Yegor as a chip in a deal for a better player, but the idea of getting Henrique back in a devils uniform to add some veteran experience ... it has appeal.

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5 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

If they get a player like Sharangovich in return, I think they would. I would rather see the Devils use Yegor as a chip in a deal for a better player, but the idea of getting Henrique back in a devils uniform to add some veteran experience ... it has appeal.

Yeah I’ve wondered what Sharangovich + Holtz could bring.  

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I'm not against the idea of trading him, clearly that's an option that depends on return as it always does. But the guy has 55 career goals in 177 games. That's not bad for a 141st overall pick. he runs hot and cold, and right now is very cold, but he certainly has some skill and can be useful. 

In my opinion, he's not the guy you single out as the one who "has to go", but he certainly can go.  

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7 minutes ago, mfitz804 said:

I'm not against the idea of trading him, clearly that's an option that depends on return as it always does. But the guy has 55 career goals in 177 games. That's not bad for a 141st overall pick. he runs hot and cold, and right now is very cold, but he certainly has some skill and can be useful. 

In my opinion, he's not the guy you single out as the one who "has to go", but he certainly can go.  

To be clear I wasn’t trying to suggest “He absolutely MUST go!”, as much as wondering if the Devils want to sign him to another deal, and if they don’t, what would be a reasonable return for him.  I definitely don’t want to see him just given away.  

That being said, obviously I have my doubts about what he’ll be going forward.  I suspect that the Devils do as well.  

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I still think they should have never traded Henrique.  Although, It may have helped them make the playoffs during the 17-18 season and I don’t know what the conditional 3rd round pick turned into.  I didn’t like the Hall trade either.  They trade away a defenseman, to acquire a star winger, when the team was light years away from contending, just to trade a solid middle 6 center to get a defenseman.  They had two good centers to build a round and, since, they didn’t trade CS a goalie too.  They had Greene and Larsson on D.  I feel the first 5 years of the rebuild they took short cuts to get back to contention faster.  I understand CS went through injuries, but that was unfortunate and unforeseeable.  They sucked anyway.

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8 minutes ago, Puckbuster said:

I still think they should have never traded Henrique.  Although, It may have helped them make the playoffs during the 17-18 season and I don’t know what the conditional 3rd round pick turned into.

Vatanen played very well that season for the Devils after the acquisition, but he went way downhill after that.

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24 minutes ago, Puckbuster said:

I still think they should have never traded Henrique.  Although, It may have helped them make the playoffs during the 17-18 season and I don’t know what the conditional 3rd round pick turned into.  I didn’t like the Hall trade either.  They trade away a defenseman, to acquire a star winger, when the team was light years away from contending, just to trade a solid middle 6 center to get a defenseman.  They had two good centers to build a round and, since, they didn’t trade CS a goalie too.  They had Greene and Larsson on D.  I feel the first 5 years of the rebuild they took short cuts to get back to contention faster.  I understand CS went through injuries, but that was unfortunate and unforeseeable.  They sucked anyway.

Henrique had become expendable and settled into being this up-and-down so-so kind of player (who did have a couple of big moments, but that's what they were...moments)..also keep in mind that his contract was expiring in 2018-19 and he was going to become a UFA.  And we saw what he signed for in 2019-20 (5 years @ $5.875 million AAV to stay with the Ducks)...I sure as hell wouldn't want Henrique at that kind of money.  Vatanen did fill a need elsewhere and he did help initially, but yeah, he was never as solid for the Devils as he was in 2017-18.  And in response to your last post, Henrique and Blandisi (he was a throw-in) were never bringing back a top pair defenseman.  Vatanen was about right for Henrique and a spare part. 

Re:  Hall, c'mon, I'll admit that at first I wasn't bullish on that deal, but that's one that can't be knocked.  Hall was plenty young (only 24 at the time that the Devils dealt for him) and cost-controlled for four more years at VERY reasonable term...his upside was WAAAAAAY higher than Larsson's...there was a reason Chiarelli was getting absolutely DESTROYED for that deal...people were stunned that it was only a one-for-one deal.  And obviously we saw what was possible when he put it all together...one of the best seasons ever for a Devils forward.  Unfortunately he got hurt and enough went wrong that he wasn't going to stick around (nor was Shero going to make him a big offer), but at least the Devils were able to flip him for assets...one of which turned into Mercer.

I agree, Shero was absolutely trying to jump-start the rebuild instead of sitting back and simply building almost solely through the draft, but the moves that he was making to do it weren't killers, in terms of the assets that he gave up...the problem as we all know is that ultimately too many of his "good on paper" moves didn't work out.  The picks for Palms worked out.  Larsson for Hall worked out.  Picks for Mueller and MoJo didn't.  And of course yeah, Schneider's game fell off a cliff and never really came back.  Plenty went wrong.    

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16 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Henrique had become expendable and settled into being this up-and-down so-so kind of player (who did have a couple of big moments, but that's what they were...moments)..also keep in mind that his contract was expiring in 2018-19 and he was going to become a UFA.  And we saw what he signed for in 2019-20 (5 years @ $5.875 million AAV to stay with the Ducks)...I sure as hell wouldn't want Henrique at that kind of money.  Vatanen did fill a need elsewhere and he did help initially, but yeah, he was never as solid for the Devils as he was in 2017-18.  And in response to your last post, Henrique and Blandisi (he was a throw-in) were never bringing back a top pair defenseman.  Vatanen was about right for Henrique and a spare part. 

Re:  Hall, c'mon, I'll admit that at first I wasn't bullish on that deal, but that's one that can't be knocked.  Hall was plenty young (only 24 at the time that the Devils dealt for him) and cost-controlled for four more years at VERY reasonable term...his upside was WAAAAAAY higher than Larsson's...there was a reason Chiarelli was getting absolutely DESTROYED for that deal...people were stunned that it was only a one-for-one deal.  And obviously we saw what was possible when he put it all together...one of the best seasons ever for a Devils forward.  Unfortunately he got hurt and enough went wrong that he wasn't going to stick around (nor was Shero going to make him a big offer), but at least the Devils were able to flip him for assets...one of which turned into Mercer.

I agree, Shero was absolutely trying to jump-start the rebuild instead of sitting back and simply building almost solely through the draft, but the moves that he was making to do it weren't killers, in terms of the assets that he gave up...the problem as we all know is that ultimately too many of his "good on paper" moves didn't work out.  The picks for Palms worked out.  Larsson for Hall worked out.  Picks for Mueller and MoJo didn't.  And of course yeah, Schneider's game fell off a cliff and never really came back.  Plenty went wrong.    

I’m not arguing any of that.  I’m just saying, If you’re going to rebuild a perennial cup contender through the draft, then do it.  Hall was great and was an MVP.  However, I think they made a lot of moves to bring the team into contention, rather than, simply focusing on a rebuild.  We are still waiting to get to the playoffs 5 years after Hall’s MVP season.  As far as, Henrique’s contract, it wouldn’t be an issue since they needed to get to the cap floor anyway.  

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2 minutes ago, Puckbuster said:

I’m not arguing any of that.  I’m just saying, If you’re going to rebuild a perennial cup contender through the draft, then do it.  Hall was great and was an MVP.  However, I think they made a lot of moves to bring the team into contention, rather than, simply focusing on a rebuild.  We are still waiting to get to the playoffs 5 years after Hall’s MVP season.  As far as, Henrique’s contract, it wouldn’t be an issue since they needed to get to the cap floor anyway.  

I don't think that Shero thought Cory's game would disappear so drastically.  In his mind, not only did they have a terrific #1 goalie, they had him locked-up long-term.  So some level of urgency was needed, to try to put a team in front of him.  He was trying to build a competitive team with little assets to work with (apart from draft picks)...maybe it was simply too much to ask, but it did look like he was on a decent track there for a while.  Cory's swift decline was definitely a killer.

In highsight, sure, they could've dealt Cory while he was still Cory and maybe moved a couple of other guys for "later" pieces and gone full strip-it-down rebuild...but that's in hindsight.  And if that was the case, yeah, guess in an alternate timeline you could've hung on to Henrique at what I think was silly money for what he brings...but like I said, he was going to become a UFA after the 2018-19 season...so why exactly would he choose to stay with a team that didn't have designs on winning anytime soon?       

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It’s true no one expected CS to decline so quickly, but I’m sure he saw the Duck’s decline coming and still signed.  Would that contract been silly money?  At the time, I would say, no because they would have struggled to meet the cap minimum.  Hall $6mil, CS $6mil and Zajac 5.75mil cap hits at the time.  Today, However as the team is constructed, yes it is.  Also, I do agree that some good has come out of some of the moves, I just felt that the moves they did earlier on in the rebuild only delayed their ability to contend.  Anyway, it is what is and, again, only hope Henrique doesn’t make us look silly.

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8 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

I'm not against the idea of trading him, clearly that's an option that depends on return as it always does. But the guy has 55 career goals in 177 games. That's not bad for a 141st overall pick. he runs hot and cold, and right now is very cold, but he certainly has some skill and can be useful. 

In my opinion, he's not the guy you single out as the one who "has to go", but he certainly can go.  

*50

I only know off the top of my head because he had 40 over his first two seasons (16 & 24) and currently has 10. 

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2 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

I am a champion of dad jokes, but that’s awful. 

that joke is so bad it's offensive. 

 

on a slightly related but side note. It's interesting how the.... meaning of the devils name is sort of loose. Cause we know the name devil come from the Jersey Devil / Leeds Devil. Which is a mythical creature like the Sasquatch, the Mothman, lochness monster, etc etc... but then a lot of the branding went in a totally different direction based on like.... the devil / satan. But it's not even what it's named after at all.

Like it's legit like if the Rangers would have been named the New York Big Apples... and that the logo would have been.... a big apple instead of something that represent the city lol It's completely missing the point / meaning.

Or if they'd have to do a logo for Mario Lemieux and they'd slap Mario Bros' face on it cause his nickname was Super Mario... again. Missing the point by connecting to the wrong thing sharing the same name

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5 hours ago, SterioDesign said:

that joke is so bad it's offensive. 

 

on a slightly related but side note. It's interesting how the.... meaning of the devils name is sort of loose. Cause we know the name devil come from the Jersey Devil / Leeds Devil. Which is a mythical creature like the Sasquatch, the Mothman, lochness monster, etc etc... but then a lot of the branding went in a totally different direction based on like.... the devil / satan. But it's not even what it's named after at all.

Like it's legit like if the Rangers would have been named the New York Big Apples... and that the logo would have been.... a big apple instead of something that represent the city lol It's completely missing the point / meaning.

Or if they'd have to do a logo for Mario Lemieux and they'd slap Mario Bros' face on it cause his nickname was Super Mario... again. Missing the point by connecting to the wrong thing sharing the same name

Can you keep it down? The owners might read this and think we need a complete rebrand and suddenly our jerseys stay red, blue, yellow and we become the Wonder Bread Burger Kings HC to avoid “controversy,” and become the first team to soccer team our jerseys.

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8 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

I am a champion of dad jokes, but that’s awful. 

I was thinking the same thing, in terms of "Damn, even Dad Joke Champions are going to find that one lame."

For O&A fans, this is something I could see Pat from Moonachie coming up with.

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