New Around The League Thread

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

9 minutes ago, RizzMB30 said:

Issues aside, he's betting on himself with this contract and he's still a good defensemen who you can shelter on your 3rd pair and let him rip, and can play top 4 defense if you can stomach his defensive awareness. There's a reason he was getting paid so much with his last contract. 

But there's also a reason why he's on such a light contract to begin with.  The guy obviously has some talent...at this point a guy with his ability should be making a hell of a lot more than $1.675 million.  

Given that the Canes familiar with him and got a very good year out of him, I certainly don't blame them for giving him another look, especially at that price.  It could be that for whatever the reason, he and Carolina are simply right for each other.  And given that I suspect that several other teams are wary of him, Carolina could probably afford to go year-to-year with him, without too much fear of losing him to UFA.  

Also re:  his contract, look who gave it to him.  And then bought him out with a year left...Flyers aren't exactly known for making great decisions at the moment.  

Edited July 25, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Speaking of the Canes, that's a team that could markedly different too next season...TONS of UFAs coming up, and not many current players signed beyond 2024-25.  Right now they'll have over $41 million to play with in cap space next season (of course hard to imagine some guys - like Aho - won't eat into some of that).

[Jimmy Leeds]

3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

C'mon, this is not accurate.  A lot more baggage than that in his past (before he even went to the Rangers)...you can look it up.  He was even told as a Ranger that if there was one more incident before the whole Georgiev mess, that he'd be gone.  It's not like there was this one-time thing that happened and the Rangers booted him right out the door.  

Eh, not a peep since the Georgiev deal and seems to have since been a model citizen. No one should worry about the sins of their fathers

[Lateralous]

3 hours ago, MadDog2020 said:

https://www.nhl.com/bruins/news/a-statement-from-patrice-bergeron/c-345429764

They are a David Krejci retirement announcement away from Pavel Zacha being the 1C.   

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

18 minutes ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

Eh, not a peep since the Georgiev deal and seems to have since been a model citizen. No one should worry about the sins of their fathers

In fairness though you were making it sound like the Georgiev incident was the only one on his record.  A lot did happen before that...enough that teams have largely steered clear of him (or chose to move on due to one issue after another).  The Rangers couldn't move him, and neither could the Flyers...he's the ONLY NHL player to have his contracts bought out twice.  It's not like he's been unfairly picked on or singled out to find himself where he is.

That being said, with every year that there's no further blots on his record, it's only fair that he starts to earn back some trust, though I'm sure most teams will still tread very lightly when it comes to DeAngelo.  He appears to have a good thing going with the Canes in particular...that's a start.  Maybe he finds a permanent home there and it works out for both sides.

I do think the Canes approached this perfectly, in only giving him a year, and at a low AAV...they had all of the leverage here.  DeAngelo pretty much had nowhere else to go, and the Canes know it.  If he winds up becoming an issue, they will be able to move on easily, without having to deal with any dead cap hits beyond this season.  The Canes are covered.

Edited July 25, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

32 minutes ago, Lateralous said:

They are a David Krejci retirement announcement away from Pavel Zacha being the 1C.   

Really shows how not making one last run at a Cup last season such a killer for that organization...with some of the talent they've had, it's hard to believe that they've won one Cup since 1972.  They figure to take some pretty serious steps back...I know Zacha's first year there went very well, but all he had to do was to be a spoke on a wheel absolutely loaded with spokes...last year's Bruins were a perfect team for him.  That franchise will be asking a LOT more of him soon...probably more than he's capable of providing.  We'll see what happens then.

[MadDog2020]

[MadDog2020]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2023/7/25/23807793/rocky-wirtz-dies-blackhawks-chairman-bill-danny-wirtz-breakthru-beverage

[NJDevils1214]

6 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2023/7/25/23807793/rocky-wirtz-dies-blackhawks-chairman-bill-danny-wirtz-breakthru-beverage

Hope people are quickly done talking about him. Just not going to talk about him. Ya know? Done.

[Jerrydevil]

23 hours ago, RizzMB30 said:

Wow. Can't believe it. Boston is going to be in a weird place. 

Congratulations to Pavel Zacha, Boston's #1 center.

[Jerrydevil]

20 hours ago, Lateralous said:

They are a David Krejci retirement announcement away from Pavel Zacha being the 1C.   

Truth. I didn't see Lateralous made the Zacha comment ... I just did the same thing.

[MadDog2020]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/hurricanes-sign-sebastian-aho-to-massive-eight-year-extension?fbclid=IwAR03lnZPydxciZWvMBr4itJZjP-MvclsMfSEUKcF_a04x3raMpoKEZ5ubIs_aem_ATAxXhEnrEw7VZaQ8Xy3M_l4iRrYuipquoJTAeDRx95x0auwneCfLu2wRRgR5ZkGmW4

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

On 7/26/2023 at 10:49 AM, MadDog2020 said:

https://thehockeynews.com/news/hurricanes-sign-sebastian-aho-to-massive-eight-year-extension?fbclid=IwAR03lnZPydxciZWvMBr4itJZjP-MvclsMfSEUKcF_a04x3raMpoKEZ5ubIs_aem_ATAxXhEnrEw7VZaQ8Xy3M_l4iRrYuipquoJTAeDRx95x0auwneCfLu2wRRgR5ZkGmW4

This was obviously gonna get done...and the guy has been remarkably consistent over the past 6 years, to the tune of 419 points over 438 games.  I think with the cap going up, if you can sign a guy like him to under $10 million AAV, you did pretty well, really.  As long as he continues to be what he's been, that cap hit will age very well.

He turns 26 today, so Canes signed up for his Age 27 - 34 seasons.  As far as handing out 8-year deals goes, Canes did very well here.  

Edited July 27, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Jimmy Leeds]

21 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

In fairness though you were making it sound like the Georgiev incident was the only one on his record.  A lot did happen before that...enough that teams have largely steered clear of him (or chose to move on due to one issue after another).  The Rangers couldn't move him, and neither could the Flyers...he's the ONLY NHL player to have his contracts bought out twice.  It's not like he's been unfairly picked on or singled out to find himself where he is.

No.

Pointing out it was the last and it was years ago and he's been fine since.

All good?

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

No.

Pointing out it was the last and it was years ago and he's been fine since.

All good?

All good.

Will be interesting to see if he can stay on the right track, because he has a hell of a shot to stick with a team that should be good for while.  It’s a great opportunity for him.  

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Funny, seen some blurbs here and there about Aho's contract, about how it compares to Stutzle and Jack, and that it's not a good deal due to Stutzle and Jack's lower AAVs.

Here's what those fans clearly don't get:

Stutzle was two years into his ELC when he signed his extension (which kicks in this year).  Jack was 2+ seasons into his ELC when he signed (and was just coming off an injury that kept him out for a while).  Both the Sens and the Devils took very calculated risks in that despite neither player having put up big numbers yet, that the talent was absolutely there, and that it would only be a matter of time before they'd break through.  And of course Stutzle and Jack could've bet on themselves and looked to go with less term (as Aho did...see below), but the up-front money for not-yet-realized performance was too good for them to pass up.  But given that both would've become non-arb-eligible RFAs had their ELCs expired with no extensions in place (a situation that can get plenty ugly if both sides choose to dig their heels in), I think the players did about as well as they could've expected, especially with all of the guaranteed money coming their way.

Aho had one year left on his 5-year, $8,460,250 AAV bridge deal where he had done just fine (40 G and 40 A per 82 GP over the first four years of that contract)...what did people think he was going to get?  It was highly unlikely that he wasn't going to get some kind of raise...he was absolutely getting well over $9 million AAV...no way was Carolina not going to make a serious attempt to keep him from ever considering testing the market.  Given the circumstances, unless Aho was willing to take such an insane discount that no one could possibly expect him to take, both parties did well here.  I have no idea how much better the Canes could've possibly done.  

Edited July 28, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Nicomo]

Tarasenko to the Sens. 1 year deal. Hopefully the dude the Blues drafted with the Rags 1st round pick turns into something and that trade really ends looking bad. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

10 hours ago, Nicomo said:

Tarasenko to the Sens. 1 year deal. Hopefully the dude the Blues drafted with the Rags 1st round pick turns into something and that trade really ends looking bad. 

$5 million.  Last year was obviously concerning enough that no team was willing to give him term.  Not a bad signing by the Sens, mostly because they're not stuck with him beyond this year if he isn't good, and if he's playing well but the team doesn't look like it's going to the playoffs, they can flip him.  Good flexibility move.  

[Jimmy Leeds]

1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

$5 million.  Last year was obviously concerning enough that no team was willing to give him term.  Not a bad signing by the Sens, mostly because they're not stuck with him beyond this year if he isn't good, and if he's playing well but the team doesn't look like it's going to the playoffs, they can flip him.  Good flexibility move.  

Yep

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Leeds said:

Yep

Obviously four scenarios here can play out:

 

1) Ottawa in playoff contention, Tarasenko good or better

2) Ottawa in playoff contention, Tarasenko meh or worse

3) Ottawa not in playoff contention, Tarasenko good or better

4) Ottawa not in playoff contention, Tarasenko meh or worse

 

As far as 3 and 4 go, I trade him at or before the deadline, and get what I can get.  What's the alternative?  Might as well get something in return.

For 1 and 2, I hang onto him...in the case of #2, since he's not going to bring back much anyway, might as well see if he can get on a roll during the homestretch, the playoffs, or both.  That can absolutely happen.

 

The one thing I do NOT do if I'm the Sens is re-sign him to anything resembling term, no matter what he does.  At one year and $5 million I get taking a chance on him.  If suddenly you're looking at $6 - 7 million for 2-3 years and his Age 32 and beyond seasons...no thanks.  Sometimes gotta know when to walk away...if the Sens get something similar to 2021-22 out of him, be happy that you got a killer return on a one-year investment, and then let him cash in somewhere else.

If he's open to another one-year deal at a reasonable price, assuming he turns in a solid 2023-24...maybe I consider that if I'm the Sens.  But I only go year-to-year with him.

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Jimmy Leeds]

40 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Obvioulsy four scenarios here can play out:

 

1) Ottawa in playoff contention, Tarasenko good or better

2) Ottawa in playoff contention, Tarasenko meh or worse

3) Ottawa not in playoff contention, Tarasenko good or better

4) Ottawa not in playoff contention, Tarasenko meh or worse

 

As far as 3 and 4 go, I trade him at or before the deadline, and get what I can get.  What's the alternative?  Might as well get something in return.

For 1 and 2, I hang onto him...in the case of #2, since he's not going to bring back much anyway, might as well see if he can get on a roll during the homestretch, the playoffs, or both.  That can absolutely happen.

 

The one thing I do NOT do if I'm the Sens is re-sign him to anything resembling term, no matter what he does.  At one year and $5 million I get taking a chance on him.  If suddenly you're looking at $6 - 7 million for 2-3 years and his Age 32 and beyond seasons...no thanks.  Sometimes gotta know when to walk away...if the Sens get something similar to 2021-22 out of him, be happy that you got a killer return on a one-year investment, and then let him cash in somewhere else.

If he's open to another one-year deal at reasonable term, assuming he turns in a solid 2023-24...maybe I consider that if I'm the Sens.  But I only go year-to-year with him.

 

Thanks for expanding on my answer  🙂

[RizzMB30]

10 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Obviously four scenarios here can play out:

 

1) Ottawa in playoff contention, Tarasenko good or better

2) Ottawa in playoff contention, Tarasenko meh or worse

3) Ottawa not in playoff contention, Tarasenko good or better

4) Ottawa not in playoff contention, Tarasenko meh or worse

 

As far as 3 and 4 go, I trade him at or before the deadline, and get what I can get.  What's the alternative?  Might as well get something in return.

For 1 and 2, I hang onto him...in the case of #2, since he's not going to bring back much anyway, might as well see if he can get on a roll during the homestretch, the playoffs, or both.  That can absolutely happen.

 

The one thing I do NOT do if I'm the Sens is re-sign him to anything resembling term, no matter what he does.  At one year and $5 million I get taking a chance on him.  If suddenly you're looking at $6 - 7 million for 2-3 years and his Age 32 and beyond seasons...no thanks.  Sometimes gotta know when to walk away...if the Sens get something similar to 2021-22 out of him, be happy that you got a killer return on a one-year investment, and then let him cash in somewhere else.

If he's open to another one-year deal at a reasonable price, assuming he turns in a solid 2023-24...maybe I consider that if I'm the Sens.  But I only go year-to-year with him.

 

Clearly the 5million is just consequence of not signing on July 1. He missed out on a lot by not having his agent he wanted set in place and having to fumble around after July 1st.

Edited July 29, 2023 by RizzMB30

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

59 minutes ago, RizzMB30 said:

Clearly the 5million is just consequence of not signing on July 1. He missed out on a lot by not having his agent he wanted set in place and having to fumble around after July 1st.

Not so sure he would’ve gotten that much more.  He’s coming off a pretty meh year and had a couple of injury-plagued seasons prior to 2021-22.  I don’t think he’s the kind of guy teams are to looking to lock up to bigger money and longer term these days.  Just too risky.

[Bonginator11]

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/38133176/capitals-sign-tom-wilson-7-year-455-million-extension
 

for those that wanted Wilson…that dream is over

[Nicomo]

7 minutes ago, Bonginator11 said:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/38133176/capitals-sign-tom-wilson-7-year-455-million-extension
 

for those that wanted Wilson…that dream is over

It was always only that - a dream. You just don’t let that kind of unicorn player go. Rebuild or not.