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Speaking of Noah/"Thor"...remember all of those great pitchers coming up through the system that were going to be here 10+ years?  You just CANNOT try to build your team around pitching these days...not by counting on young promising arms being successful long-term, anyway:

 

Jacob deGrom (Soon to be 35, 2 Cy Youngs, 1356.1 IP, 2.53 career ERA):  Obviously was arguably THE best pitch in baseball for a while, and can still be VERY dominant...when he can actually pitch.  Missing considerable time for the third straight season.  

Zack Wheeler (Just turned 33, 1251.2 IP, 3.43 career ERA):  Missed two complete seasons (Age 25 and 26) but has overcome early control/laboring problems to become one of the better starters in baseball.  Has been plenty good for the Phils when healthy. 

Noah Syndergaard (30 years old, 905 IP, 3.60 career ERA):  Looking more and more like a guy whose best days are already far behind him.  In danger of going the Harvey route if things don't change soon.

Steven Matz (32 years old, 831.1 IP, 4.38 career ERA):  Has been a bust since signing a multi-year deal with the Cards.  Another guy who might not have much left (as a starter, anyway); maybe he finds new life as a lefty reliever?

Matt Harvey (34 years old, 966.1 IP, 4.42 career ERA):  He was basically never "that" Matt Harvey after 2015.  Had an ERA of 5.92 over his last 115 appearances (107 starts)...this was well over half his career.  Now retired and out of baseball

Rafael Montero (32 years old, 378.1 IP, 4.76 career ERA):  The control beast in AA and lower never enjoyed such success in AAA or in the majors...he enjoyed a fine season in 2022 with the Series-winning Astros, but just came off a horrific May.  Was last year a fluke?  

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Mets take a 3-2 lead through four, after trailing 2-0 early...sudden Phillie killer Mark Canha with a two-run shot of Walker.

Still lots of game left of course, but at least it's not like Walker came in and threw six shutout innings against them.  Feels like that kind of thing has happened to the Mets SO many times through the years.

 

Gotta give Scherzer some props...since coming back from the suspension, he's been pitching well.  

From Matt Gelb, re:  Walker's performance today:

Taijuan Walker's velocity is down a rather significant amount today, he's thrown almost as many balls as strikes, and he's surrendered the lead. It's 3-2, Mets.

Only allowed two hits, but also walked three, hit a batter, gave up a two-run homer, and only managed three swings-and-misses.  Season ERA now up to 5.65 through 12 starts.  

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Mets sweep the Phils...they've also now won 10 out of 14.  They really need to win ANOTHER 10 out of 14, but at least they kept the Phillies off their tail for the moment.  Nice to win a game where you only get four hits.

Would be nice if Pete and Lindor started getting more HITS.  Their BAs leave plenty to be desired.

 

How meh has the NL been this year?  Mets are only four games out of having the best record in the NL.  At 30-27.  I'll take it...hopefully they can actually get on a real roll soon...in other words, don't fall right back to .500 please.

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8 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Speaking of Noah/"Thor"...remember all of those great pitchers coming up through the system that were going to be here 10+ years?  You just CANNOT try to build your team around pitching these days...not by counting on young promising arms being successful long-term, anyway:

 

Jacob deGrom (Soon to be 35, 2 Cy Youngs, 1356.1 IP, 2.53 career ERA):  Obviously was arguably THE best pitch in baseball for a while, and can still be VERY dominant...when he can actually pitch.  Missing considerable time for the third straight season.  

Zack Wheeler (Just turned 33, 1251.2 IP, 3.43 career ERA):  Missed two complete seasons (Age 25 and 26) but has overcome early control/laboring problems to become one of the better starters in baseball.  Has been plenty good for the Phils when healthy. 

Noah Syndergaard (30 years old, 905 IP, 3.60 career ERA):  Looking more and more like a guy whose best days are already far behind him.  In danger of going the Harvey route if things don't change soon.

Steven Matz (32 years old, 831.1 IP, 4.38 career ERA):  Has been a bust since signing a multi-year deal with the Cards.  Another guy who might not have much left (as a starter, anyway); maybe he finds new life as a lefty reliever?

Matt Harvey (34 years old, 966.1 IP, 4.42 career ERA):  He was basically never "that" Matt Harvey after 2015.  Had an ERA of 5.92 over his last 115 appearances (107 starts)...this was well over half his career.  Now retired and out of baseball

Rafael Montero (32 years old, 378.1 IP, 4.76 career ERA):  The control beast in AA and lower never enjoyed such success in AAA or in the majors...he enjoyed a fine season in 2022 with the Series-winning Astros, but just came off a horrific May.  Was last year a fluke?  

Yeah the joke of it is Wheeler was by far the biggest question mark early and he had the most durability of them all after those lost years

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4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Mets sweep the Phils...they've also now won 10 out of 14.  They really need to win ANOTHER 10 out of 14, but at least they kept the Phillies off their tail for the moment.  Nice to win a game where you only get four hits.

Would be nice if Pete and Lindor started getting more HITS.  Their BAs leave plenty to be desired.

 

How meh has the NL been this year?  Mets are only four games out of having the best record in the NL.  At 30-27.  I'll take it...hopefully they can actually get on a real roll soon...in other words, don't fall right back to .500 please.

It’s actually shocking after last week’s road trip that it’s 10 of 14 overall but at least they’re running off a nice home streak.

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14 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

It’s actually shocking after last week’s road trip that it’s 10 of 14 overall but at least they’re running off a nice home streak.

Won 5 in a row, then the 2-4 road trip, then the 3-game sweep against the Phillies.  So yeah not like it's been this steady win 2 or 3 then lose 1 maybe 2.  

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18 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Yeah the joke of it is Wheeler was by far the biggest question mark early and he had the most durability of them all after those lost years

Reminds me a little of Al Leiter, who of course got an early look with the Yankees and had managed just 122.1 IP over his first six major league seasons (though in two of them, he did pitch several innings in the minors, so not like he was injured for ALL of that time).  But all of a sudden when his Age 27 season came along, it happened for him...he pitched over 2268.2 innings from that point on in the majors, through his Age 39 season...in a 9-year stretch, he pitched over 180 innings eight times.  He enjoyed a 10-year stretch from when he was 29-38 years old, where he pitched 1909.2 innings, averaged 30 starts per season and had a 3.46 ERA (ERA+ of 123), and though his control was never great, he was a plenty solid lefty over that time...especially given the 'roiding that was rampant at the time. 

Who EVER could've seen him having a career like his, based on how long it took for him to overcome arm and control problems after being called up at 21?  Almost 2400 IP.  Think deGrom manages anywhere near that many?

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So this is more like the Mets…getting completely shut down by Bassitt.  Can Alonso and Lindor do anything else other than hit home runs?  Their combined Dave Kingman act is really getting stale.

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Yeah Bassitt and Stroman both punked us basically inside a week.  Can't wait for Jake to come back from the IL in August just in time to throw seven one-hit innings against us before going back on the IL

The annoying thing about the offense is they DO have the personnel to be much better than they are but between players underachieving, and Buck/Eppler not wanting to turn the baby Mets loose while giving Vogelbach and Pham chance after chance, they handicap themselves time and again.

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At least off the field they continue to find the right notes, this HOF ceremony's giving everyone their moment and not just the whole 'get introduced and hold up a plaque' I seemingly remember other team HOF celebrations as.  Little funny hearing Todd Zeile as the emcee but I guess you can't have Gary or Howie WORK at their own ceremony lol, and it is good they both get to go in at the same time.

Not a lot of people there for the ceremony though, damn...admittedly I half-wanted to go but knowing they'd stream the whole thing anyway made me less likely to tread out there for a day trip to deal with watching a team still puttering around at an underachieving .500.

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Same ol loser Mets.  Alonso and Lindor doing nothing, because of course they don’t.

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HoJo would probably be an improvement over whoever the current hitting coach is lol, at least the Met offense had very good statistical years in 2007-08, though Wright and Reyes did have their yips moments.

This team's skitzophrenia is just amazing, seems like ALL the bats go quiet at once, or ALL the pitchers suck at once.  Or they have a rando hot streak followed by an equally random cold streak.

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11 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

HoJo would probably be an improvement over whoever the current hitting coach is lol, at least the Met offense had very good statistical years in 2007-08, though Wright and Reyes did have their yips moments.

This team's skitzophrenia is just amazing, seems like ALL the bats go quiet at once, or ALL the pitchers suck at once.  Or they have a rando hot streak followed by an equally random cold streak.

Yeah is anyone going to be shocked when they finish with 79 - 83 wins?  I just don’t see them being any more than a .500 team.  Especially since set-in-his-ways-but-never-won-anything Buck will happily play veteran dry-well stiffs like Vogelbach over kids who might actually make a difference if some greater patience is shown. 

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11 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

They even made deGrom look like he wasn't just blowing smoke when he claimed he was going to Texas because of the Rangers' 'vision'...they're now nine games above us, without deGrom pitching for half the season!

Yeah not like the Mets are 20-40 but at 30-30 it feels almost as bad.  Especially since the Mets started 14-7.

All they have to do is go 71-31 the rest of the way and they’ll tie last year’s record.  Yeah right.

Mets have to realize that Alonso and Lindor are not cornerstone players.  They’re losers.  They scare no one in big spots.  They can be gotten out without much difficult.  If the Mets want a repeat of the Wright - Reyes era, they can act like those two are the guys to build around offensively, or realize that whatever this team needs, those two will NEVER provide it.  

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Eh I think that's a little unfair to Pete, he's had his share of big HR's...but yeah you're not looking to him if you need a single and he's getting a bit too HR happy this year, even for him.

Oh he could easily hit another 50 HR this season.  And drive in over 100.  But when you REALLY need a big hit…he’s not the guy who’s likely getting it.  

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The guy who I'm really tired of is Lindor...it feels like there's just always something with him (thumbs-downing the fans, some new issue with confidence, etc)...I know he had a good year last season, but the guy is getting paid an absolute FORTUNE long-term not to be a fvcking black hole, and he's been just that far too many times this season.   

He's doing a great Javier Baez imitation so far in 2023...since April 17, he's slashing .201/.251/.354; come to think of it, scratch Baez, this is damned near Rey Ordonez territory, except Lindor can hit some dingers...and no one was asking much of Rey Rey offensively.  It's one thing to have a rough week or even a rough month...but this is now 44 games of just not hitting nearly enough.  Amazingly he's on pace for 108 RBI over 162 GP for the season...but along with not hitting much (and not drawing walks), he's also striking out a ton...he's on pace to completely obliterate last season's career high of 133 K (which had already obliterated his previous high of 107, the only time prior to last season that he'd been over 100 K).

 

He was getting pretty roundly ripped on the WFAN this morning, and deservedly so.  At some point, figure it the fvck out.  You signed for "I'm the man" money...be the fvcking man!  As in, MAN THE fvck UP!  Prove to the fans that you and Alonso aren't the latest loser duo who can have some nice moments and can have some fine COSMETIC years.  It felt like Wright and Reyes NEVER came up with those signature big hits...people don't pull that perception out of thin air.  And I'm sure as hell starting to feel that way about Francisco and Pete.  Obviously not like every last thing is their fault, but if I'm facing either one, or a fan of a team facing them, I'm not quaking in my boots.

And godDAMN I wish the Mets had a hitter like that.  A guy like Jeter or Chipper or some other guy who you just KNEW would find some way to hurt you.  I feel like I've been watching SO many Met-killers through the years...where's our Braves killer?!  Where's OUR friggin' guy who teams are scared to death of?!   

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Good lord this guy…

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2023/06/05/rangers-place-jacob-degrom-on-60-day-il-make-room-for-spencer-howard/?outputType=amp
 

Maybe comes back by the end of the month?  I know this was more about roster juggling but two full months missed…guy can’t throw a pitch without everyone holding their collective breaths anymore…

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I just don't see it happening with this Mets team this year...this week is so critical with Atl/NYY on their plate, and the Mets have looked so damn pedestrian and lifeless. I can see the Braves doing what they alway do to us. And they're no juggernaut either, it's just the Mets starting pitching can't be trusted, they've taken a major step back from last season. Their offense is at best league average...and right now they're mired in a horrible slump.

The magic isn't there for this team anymore. They are what they are...a .500 group

And while the RBI's are there for Lindor. .213 with a .284 obp are you kidding me?

And it's tough to get on Pete but .231 is pretty ugly too. And McNeil has taken a noticeable step back at .282. 

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