Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, aylbert said: I never blame the player for taking what the market will give them. As a GM though, I would much rather sign players early at a 30%-50%+ discount - risking I am overpaying them - than being saddled with giant UFA contracts where I paying a 30-50%+ premium over what they should be paid for what they can do going forward. I get you can't let Draisaitl (and McDavid) get to their last year unsigned - but I wouldn't commit the term pushing them that late. Unpopular as it may be, I would hold the line and explore alternatives. It's a business. But that's exactly what the Oilers did with Draisaitl...they signed him early to a max-term 8-year deal coming off his ELC that led to many discount seasons. Eventually you're going to be stuck having to give players (who are still very productive at the end of that first long-term deal) a great big raise if you really want to hang on to him. Yeah when it comes to that second big long-term deal there's a good chance you might be stuck with decline years, but when a guy has been as productive as Draisaitl has, he's simply going to hold a lot of cards. The alternative is if you don't give him a fair big-time contract to keep him, he can play out his final year...sure, you can trade him, but as we know, the best player by far in most of these deals is the one you're losing. Or you let him walk for nothing, which obviously teams sometimes painfully do if they think their best chance to win a Cup is worth that expense. But of course with that there's constant questions about his future, and some players struggle with that distraction. It's just difficult to "hold the line" with certain guys, good as that sounds in practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I hope out of this tragedy comes a heightened awareness for drunk driving. It’s totally inexcusable and extremely selfish and dangerous. The roads are already as unsafe as ever with people driving distracted with cell phones and entitled attitudes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 13 minutes ago, devlman said: I hope out of this tragedy comes a heightened awareness for drunk driving. It’s totally inexcusable and extremely selfish and dangerous. The roads are already as unsafe as ever with people driving distracted with cell phones and entitled attitudes. Many of us do for sure but I'd be surprised if all that much changes. Some people just insist that they're fine to drive no matter what, or fully know that they're really NOT but are willing to take the chance due to alcohol-impaired judgment. There's plenty of commercials and PSAs about the dangers of drinking and driving and plenty of tragic stories to go with them and have been for decades. Just sucks that there's never that ONE universal story that makes that one massive impact and wakes thousands of people up enough to the point that they FINALLY say "OK, I'm calling a taxi, Uber, Lyft or a friend to take me home (or if I'm at someone's house, just spend the night there)!" This latest tragedy should really be the one to open eyes, as it's one of the most god-awful drunk driving incidents ever, on so many levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 https://www.nj.com/news/2024/09/how-to-watch-the-funeral-of-nhl-star-johnny-gaudreau-and-his-brother.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_content=nj_facebook_nj&ai= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 hour ago, devlman said: I hope out of this tragedy comes a heightened awareness for drunk driving. It’s totally inexcusable and extremely selfish and dangerous. The roads are already as unsafe as ever with people driving distracted with cell phones and entitled attitudes. 54 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Many of us do for sure but I'd be surprised if all that much changes. Some people just insist that they're fine to drive no matter what, or fully know that they're really NOT but are willing to take the chance due to alcohol-impaired judgment. There's plenty of commercials and PSAs about the dangers of drinking and driving and plenty of tragic stories to go with them and have been for decades. Just sucks that there's never that ONE universal story that makes that one massive impact and wakes thousands of people up enough to the point that they FINALLY say "OK, I'm calling a taxi, Uber, Lyft or a friend to take me home (or if I'm at someone's house, just spend the night there)!" This latest tragedy should really be the one to open eyes, as it's one of the most god-awful drunk driving incidents ever, on so many levels. We are a country that does nothing more than give thoughts and prayers every time there's an awful school shooting. Sandy Hook should have been the turning point that the whole country said enough was enough and that was way back in 2012 and nothings changed. Just an awful school shooting yesterday too. Unfortunately I don't see anything changing with drunk driving either. Too many selfish, self centered awful people exist to make any serious changes to anything anymore. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 58 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said: Too many selfish, self centered awful people exist to make any serious changes to anything anymore. Yep. Sadly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: The alternative is if you don't give him a fair big-time contract to keep him, he can play out his final year...sure, you can trade him, but as we know, the best player by far in most of these deals is the one you're losing. Or you let him walk for nothing, which obviously teams sometimes painfully do if they think their best chance to win a Cup is worth that expense. But of course with that there's constant questions about his future, and some players struggle with that distraction. It's just difficult to "hold the line" with certain guys, good as that sounds in practice. I understand your point, it's a philosophical difference on team construction. But my belief has always been if you can't sign them to bigger bucks with mid term... or a discount for the later years - you trade them. It sucks. But your team won't be getting better in 5 years, it will be getting considerably worse as the contract ages with little relief. Never let them walk away for free unless you really think you'll win the cup with the team you have. I've been clamoring for this since before Scotty Gomez left us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, aylbert said: I understand your point, it's a philosophical difference on team construction. But my belief has always been if you can't sign them to bigger bucks with mid term... or a discount for the later years - you trade them. It sucks. But your team won't be getting better in 5 years, it will be getting considerably worse as the contract ages with little relief. Never let them walk away for free unless you really think you'll win the cup with the team you have. I've been clamoring for this since before Scotty Gomez left us. Yeah even though the AAV is what it is, you absolutely try to front load those deals, so that some team looking to hit the floor might be willing to take a superstar/borderline superstar with a bigger AAV off your hands (and paying much less than the actual AAV)...but of course, that player has to be open to being moved. Too many GMs hand out these NTCs and then almost act surprised when the player chooses to invoke it. These things can get very tricky because (as an example) say the Oilers dealt Draisaitl for some package of players/picks/prospects this offseason. Connor McDavid is immediately going to be thinking "WTF?!" Fans are going to feel like their franchise isn't willing to do what it takes to win. A lot of times the package coming back takes a while to pay dividends, if it ever does at all. I think what you're saying pertains more to the star/borderline star player. I feel like those are the ones you can be a little harder-line with, in terms of "5 years, 6 max, but not 8, and we want to keep you, but we need to pay other guys too". The superstars get their money and quite often get their term. It's having 2-3 fading stars who are overpaid that can get you in a lot of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NJDevils1214 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 9 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: I'm guessing insurance pays this and not the team owners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted September 5 Author Share Posted September 5 24 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said: I'm guessing insurance pays this and not the team owners. Probably, yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 40 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: That is good to know his family will be ok financially. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 It's good she's going to get paid. I bet she would trade it all and including agreeing to live in a cardboard box eating mac n cheese the rest of her life to have him back. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, NJDevils1214 said: I'm guessing insurance pays this and not the team owners. I imagine the Columbus owners learned their lesson about insuring contracts after the Nathan Horton debacle that led to them trading for Clarkson. Edited September 5 by Lateralous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 17 minutes ago, Lateralous said: I imaging the Columbus owners learned their lesson about insuring contracts after the Nathan Horton debacle that led to them trading for Clarkson. I think most sports teams know to get policies on large contracts at this point in the same way large companies take policies out on their trade credit. You never know when something like this will happen or when a large customer will become insolvent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Oof that hurts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted Friday at 08:24 PM Share Posted Friday at 08:24 PM 19 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Oof that hurts Ugh, i couldn’t care less about the Ducks but his reaction during the draft alone made me root for the kid a tiny bit. Hope he recovers quick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted Sunday at 02:55 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:55 PM Pearl Jam had a nice tribute to the Gaudreau brothers last night in Philly. You need to skip about a minute in on the link 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted Monday at 04:45 AM Share Posted Monday at 04:45 AM 13 hours ago, Lateralous said: Pearl Jam had a nice tribute to the Gaudreau brothers last night in Philly. You need to skip about a minute in on the link I really wanted to see them when they were in Indianapolis last month but tickets started at like $600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Posted Monday at 11:10 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:10 AM (edited) 6 hours ago, Nicomo said: I really wanted to see them when they were in Indianapolis last month but tickets started at like $600. Dude, same thing. I looked at the ticket prices for MSG and yeah, it was like $700 just to get in the building. I ended up seeing Thursday play a concert on a boat that went around lower Manhattan that night and it was pretty sick. Got some dope photos. Especially since the 9/11 tribute spotlights were on that night. Also went to see Stone Temple Pilots on Friday at PNC. Those tickets were pretty pricey too but fortunately I have a friend who was on the tour working the lights for STP and Live so I was able to get on the guest list for that one. STP sounded great. I was a little worried about how weird it would be without Scott Weiland but was pleasantly surprised. The visual aspect sucked though. They had 6 light stands and the giant screen that was just cycling through some AI generated images. It felt like a pretty cheap cop out for a tour that must be raking in the dough. Edited Monday at 11:11 AM by Crisis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted Monday at 03:34 PM Share Posted Monday at 03:34 PM 4 hours ago, Crisis said: Dude, same thing. I looked at the ticket prices for MSG and yeah, it was like $700 just to get in the building. I ended up seeing Thursday play a concert on a boat that went around lower Manhattan that night and it was pretty sick. Got some dope photos. Especially since the 9/11 tribute spotlights were on that night. Also went to see Stone Temple Pilots on Friday at PNC. Those tickets were pretty pricey too but fortunately I have a friend who was on the tour working the lights for STP and Live so I was able to get on the guest list for that one. STP sounded great. I was a little worried about how weird it would be without Scott Weiland but was pleasantly surprised. The visual aspect sucked though. They had 6 light stands and the giant screen that was just cycling through some AI generated images. It felt like a pretty cheap cop out for a tour that must be raking in the dough. This looks amazing. I'll have to go if they do another show on a boat like that. Are they still putting on a good live show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted Monday at 06:18 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 06:18 PM https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/sports/side-by-side-caskets-for-hockeys-john-and-matthew-gaudreau/ 😥 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted Monday at 07:01 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:01 PM Can it get any worse? Though a blessing, Johnny's wife revealed that she too, is pregnant. Two children coming into the world without their fathers This one will haunt me for a looooong time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted Monday at 07:32 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:32 PM 14 hours ago, Nicomo said: I really wanted to see them when they were in Indianapolis last month but tickets started at like $600. I didn't actually go myself, I just saw a bunch of texts from friends that we there. I saw them a few times in the early 2000's in Camden and they were always a fantastic show. On Saturday while PJ was playing Philly, I was actually at the Jane's Addiction show in Atlantic City. Great show but Perry Ferrell is completely off his rocker at this point. He's just having conversations with himself between songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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