GDT: Washington @ Devils 7:30 PM TNT/MAX

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

4 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

Luckily for Vitek and Schmid, they have time to get it together. But I’m skeptical about both. 

I think VV will be what he's always been...a little above average.  At the time he represented a quantum leap over what had been in house.  

Schmid remains more of a wild card...I can't say either way what he'll be, but that's how it goes with a kid finishing out the final year of his ELC who only has so many games with the big club.  He gave us reasons to be optimistic (and for the Devils to want to give him a chance, especially with other players on the team who got big raises), but as we saw with Mac, doesn't mean he'll build off the early promise.  But though some have apparently answered this question right away, it's not one that we'll have the answer to in October.

BTW VV's first four appearances last season:  .889 save% (finished at .911)

This season:  .900 save%

  

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

6 minutes ago, Devils01 said:

So much talk about the goalies. Yes, they haven’t been the best but our defence… get smith out of there and put in Nemec, Foote or anyone from Utica. Ruff easily shuffles the lines for the fowards why the the defencemen? 

any news when Miller is back?

Nemec is still hurt...hasn't played since the opener (missed two games so far).

Foote's was just called up, FWIW.  I'm with you in that I'm no fan of Smith, but Miller being hurt has complicated things on that front.  

[Jerrydevil]

1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I think VV will be what he's always been...a little above average.  At the time he represented a quantum leap over what had been in house. 

  

It’s hard to forget his play in the Rangers series. Above average would have been great! 

In the offseason I said I’d be comfortable with Schmid or Vitek as the No. 2. I still think that.

[Devils01]

11 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Nemec is still hurt...hasn't played since the opener (missed two games so far).

Foote's was just called up, FWIW.  I'm with you in that I'm no fan of Smith, but Miller being hurt has complicated things on that front.  

Oh.. was not aware about Nemec.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

21 minutes ago, Jerrydevil said:

It’s hard to forget his play in the Rangers series. Above average would have been great! 

In the offseason I said I’d be comfortable with Schmid or Vitek as the No. 2. I still think that.

I was more referring to the regular season.  Yeah VV was obviously not good come playoff time.  

[NJDevils1214]

53 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

I was more referring to the regular season.  Yeah VV was obviously not good come playoff time.  

He only got a few games in the playoffs and the team didn't play well in front of him in almost any of them. The one game against Carolina they won at home they gave up like 3 short handed goals or something.

Not directed at you CR-- I'm not trying to go nuclear to defend our goaltending, but blaming it ALL on them is misguided at best and disingenuous at worst. It's a team sport and how the team is playing in front of a goalie matters. Goalies need to be better, so does everyone else. You're not putting an average goalie in a position to succeed by asking him to make above average saves 10 times a game.

[2ELIAS6]

12 hours ago, StarDew said:

No one said that. You see what you want. Always have and always will. 

Read a page or two back, literally someone said exactly that… 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

22 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

He only got a few games in the playoffs and the team didn't play well in front of him in almost any of them. The one game against Carolina they won at home they gave up like 3 short handed goals or something.

Not directed at you CR-- I'm not trying to go nuclear to defend our goaltending, but blaming it ALL on them is misguided at best and disingenuous at worst. It's a team sport and how the team is playing in front of a goalie matters. Goalies need to be better, so does everyone else. You're not putting an average goalie in a position to succeed by asking him to make above average saves 10 times a game.

Oh for sure there was blame to go around in his games and I think the 2022-23 Devils got as far as they were going to get.  

[StarDew]

6 minutes ago, 2ELIAS6 said:

Read a page or two back, literally someone said exactly that… 

Quote it. I don't see anyone saying anything about our goalies being set.  Only see Schmid deserves a chance. 3 games is not a chance imnsho 

[smelly]

Check out the NHL Edge data - Schmid has been certifiably horrible this year. Just awful. 
 

 

[StarDew]

Just now, smelly said:

Check out the NHL Edge data - Schmid has been certifiably horrible this year. Just awful. 
 

 

I am not looking. No need. Certifiable? ?????  Less than 3 full games makes him certifiable?? C'mon. You are better than this.

[smelly]

6 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Ignore that guy…he only comes here to troll when the Devils lose.  Never anywhere to be found otherwise.

For those who are REALLY struggling to understand what members are posting re:  Schmid and are really being annoying and making themselves not look very bright as a result, I’ll try to make it very clear for them:

NO ONE is saying Schmid is absolutely part of the long-term answer and is a lock to turn this slow start around.  That would be true whether he started strongly, poorly, or somewhere in between; there’s simply not enough of a career track record yet to know what he truly is.  But he did show enough to at least get a chance longer than seven periods.

NO ONE is saying Schmid is playing well enough at the moment.  Obviously he isn’t.  

People ARE saying based on Schmid’s overall season last year, he at least deserves more than seven periods before he’s written off, and that NHL GMs are not ones to panic this early in the season, so it’s simply not reasonable to expect Fitz to make a deal six games into the season.  Especially since we have no idea who might be available and what it might take to get him.

Also there’s this thing called a salary cap.  Devils don’t have tons of room at the moment, so should the time come when Fitz decides to add a legit vet who’s making some coin, we’ll have to say goodbye to someone (or multiple someones) making decent money.  I don’t think Fitz wants to go this route until he absolutely has to; based on how he’s built this team, he is trying not to tie up a lot of money in his goaltenders (or give up assets to bring one in).  He believes in Schmid enough to have dealt Mac to the Sharks, which just about everyone was on board with this offseason.  GMs don’t think and act like fans.  They give things TIME, especially when they feel like the solution is already in house.

Basically it’s easy to yell “Aaaaaaaa I told you so we need a goalie Fitz has to fix this aaaaaaa!”, but it sure is a lot harder to come up with names, assets one is willing to trade, and how exactly Fitz is supposed to fit some established goalie’s cap hit into the Devils’ payroll.

Go ahead.  Make it personal. 
 

Ad hominem attacks are the last resort when you don’t have any real answer to dispute the indisputable facts. 
 

Schmid was extremely mediocre during the regular season last year. Look at the stats.  He doesn’t deserve anything based on last year overall.

You have been bamboozled because He saved their bacon in the NYR series, becoming the latest in a long line of goalies who played over their head for a short period of time in the playoffs.

But he was back to his uninspiring self vs  CAR and has remained so since.  

Just because you and others here were bought a flash in the pan doesn’t mean that you have to double down just to save your ego.

Ok, time to sit back and wait for you to call me a troll.  Would be much more interesting if you actually addressed the substance.

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by smelly

[Bonginator11]

3 minutes ago, smelly said:

Go ahead.  Make it personal. 
 

Ad hominem attacks are the last resort when you don’t have any real answer to dispute the indisputable facts. 
 

Schmid was extremely mediocre during the regular season last year. Look at the stats.  He doesn’t deserve anything based on last year overall 

You have been bamboozled because He saved their bacon in the NYR series, becoming the latest in a long line of goalies who played over their head for a short period of time in the playoffs.

But he was back to his uninspiring self vs  CAR and has remained so since.  

Just because you and others here were bought a flash in the pan doesn’t mean that you have to double down just to save your ego.

Ok, time so sit back and wait for you to call me a troll.  Would be much more interesting if you actually addressed the substance.

 

 

 

Last year he had a .922 save percentage in the regular season and a 2.13 goals against average. I’d say that’s better than mediocre

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Just now, smelly said:

Go ahead.  Make it personal. 
 

Ad hominem attacks are the last resort when you don’t have any real answer to dispute the indisputable facts. 
 

Schmid was extremely mediocre during the regular season last year. Look at the stats.  He doesn’t deserve anything based on last year overall 

You have been bamboozled because He saved their bacon in the NYR series, becoming the latest in a long line of goalies who played over their head for a short period of time in the playoffs.

But he was back to his uninspiring self vs  CAR and has remained so since.  

Just because you and others here were bought a flash in the pan doesn’t mean that you have to double down just to save your ego.

Go ahead, I will wait for you to call me a troll.  Would be much more interesting if you actually addressed the substance.

You are absolutely a troll; you're nowhere to be found unless the Devils lose...of course you had something to say in the Islander and Caps GDTs.  Not a peep in any other GDT...guess you were busy when the Devils lost to the Panthers.

You also can't read, so there's point in having much back and forth with you.  I said MULTIPLE times that based on last season where Schmid DID play well overall (especially for a rookie), he did enough to get a look this year.  That's it.  I didn't make any grand predictions for him that I need to "double down" on.  I didn't declare him the future of the franchise.  I said (try to follow along) THAT BASED ON HIS BODY OF WORK LAST SEASON, HE'S EARNED A CHANCE TO BE PART OF THE TANDEM TO START THIS SEASON...Fitz apparently sees it that way too.  We'll see if he can do something with it, but I'm not against him getting this chance.

So you can go hide for a while and then we'll see you again the next time the Devils lose.   Yippy.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

7 minutes ago, Bonginator11 said:

Last year he had a .922 save percentage in the regular season and a 2.13 goals against average. I’d say that’s better than mediocre

This is not an intelligent individual we're dealing with here. 

No one who actually watched the games would look at Schmid's body of work in 2022-23 and think "mediocre".  It simply isn't true.

[RizzMB30]

13 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Lindy blaming the defense:

https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2023/10/25/fristrated-again-devils-ruff-defends-goaltending/

I think I agree. You cant come down on goalies super hard right now when the defense across the league has been fvcking horrible. Look at EDM right now. They are right against the cap and are stuck with those goalies. We are not. @2ELIAS6 will tell you to freak the fvck out after 6 games just to freak out and be mad. 

12 hours ago, 2ELIAS6 said:

No way, the njdevs gang group says you’re dead wrong, this tandem is the answer they had a great post season last year and schmid had a good preseason 🤣

Yo dude, cut the sh!t. No one is hanging up on you for having a different opinion. I can't believe you act this way when someone else simply disagrees with your dog sh!t opinion. 

 

Nobody is arguing that Schmid is doing great right now, we are saying that there will be a recovery and a bounceback. Most defenses across the league are still figuring sh!t out. There are only a handful of goalies playing well too. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Just now, RizzMB30 said:

I think I agree. You cant come down on goalies super hard right now when the defense across the league has been fvcking horrible. Look at EDM right now. They are right against the cap and are stuck with those goalies. We are not. @2ELIAS6 will tell you to freak the fvck out after 6 games just to freak out and be mad. 

Yo dude, cut the sh!t. No one is hanging up on you for having a different opinion. I can't believe you act this way when someone else simply disagrees with your dog sh!t opinion. 

 

Nobody is arguing that Schmid is doing great right now, we are saying that there will be a recovery and a bounceback. Most defenses across the league are still figuring sh!t out. There are only a handful of goalies playing well too. 

The D definitely DID seem soft last night...Lindy was right, it felt like the Caps were winning an awful lot of puck battles.  Siegs and Marino are not off to great starts.  I do think this team will find its way out of this.

Some fans just do not handle any kind of adversity well...either the team is fully on its game almost all of the time, or it's all falling apart.  

[RizzMB30]

7 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

The D definitely DID seem soft last night...Lindy was right, it felt like the Caps were winning an awful lot of puck battles.  Siegs and Marino are not off to great starts.  I do think this team will find its way out of this.

Some fans just do not handle any kind of adversity well...either the team is fully on its game almost all of the time, or it's all falling apart.  

My issue is that even if he is right, there are goalies out there worth talking about, but there's a reluctance to bring up who he would want to come in and solve this roster problem he claims is so huge. 

Edited October 26, 2023 by RizzMB30

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

8 minutes ago, RizzMB30 said:

My issue is that even if he is right, there are goalies out there worth talking about, but there's a reluctance to bring up who he would want to come in and solve this problem he claims is so huge. 

It's a lot to easier to bitch than it is to come up with solutions.

The issues remain the same:  limited cap space, teams usually aren't making significant deals this early in a new season*, and how much should Fitz be willing to give up?

 

The scenario that I don't think ANYONE is ready for is Kinkaid getting a start...but that's really who the first option is likely to be, if Schmid was ever to be sent down or determined to need remedial work.  Fitz has a plan...he's not deviating from it this quickly.  Just isn't.

* Sometimes you do see a good player who's holding out or clearly wants out (or is no longer welcome with his current team), and maybe then an early-season deal gets made.  But I don't see any "oh man gotta get HIM" goalies that would fit the bill.

Edited October 26, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[RizzMB30]

13 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

*The scenario that I don't think ANYONE is ready for is Kinkaid getting a start...but that's really who the first option is likely to be, if Schmid was ever to be sent down or determined to need remedial work.  Fitz has a plan...he's not deviating from it this quickly.  Just isn't.

100% correct in my honest opinion. 

Kinkaid or Kallgren are options.  And I would bet you that's why Lindy came out and defended both goalies. Why? Why would the head coach do such a thing? 

Because the defense corps needs to be better and is capable of being better because they were able to do it last year. I don't know if all of last season I've seen lapses like the ones we're seeing. Lindy sees it, we all see it. That's why I am convinced its something that can be figured out internally as well. 

I felt both Siegs and Marino had better games last night than the night before but they were both awful again on special teams. They both need to be defensive rocks in our top 4. 

Dougie can play good D and when he is your best dman on what can be a good defensive team, your best defensive dmen are not at their best. Bahl and Dougie and maybe Luke on the offensive side of the puck had the best game last night. Even Smith had a better game with the penalty he took than Siegs and Marino

Edited October 26, 2023 by RizzMB30

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

3 minutes ago, RizzMB30 said:

100% correct in my honest opinion. 

Kinkaid or Kallgren are options.  And I would bet you that's why Lindy came out and defended both goalies. Why? Why would the head coach do such a thing? 

Because the defense corps needs to be better and is capable of being better because they were able to do it last year. I don't know if all of last season I've seen lapses like the ones we're seeing. Lindy sees it, we all see it. That's why I am convinced its something that can be figured out internally as well. 

Yeah I forgot about Kallgren, but that would be just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks...that's Cinco Domingo Part Deux.  Kinkaid or Kallgren are desperation options at best.  

Edited October 26, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[NJDevils1214]

30 minutes ago, RizzMB30 said:

I think I agree. You cant come down on goalies super hard right now when the defense across the league has been fvcking horrible. Look at EDM right now. They are right against the cap and are stuck with those goalies. We are not. @2ELIAS6 will tell you to freak the fvck out after 6 games just to freak out and be mad. 

Yo dude, cut the sh!t. No one is hanging up on you for having a different opinion. I can't believe you act this way when someone else simply disagrees with your dog sh!t opinion. 

 

Nobody is arguing that Schmid is doing great right now, we are saying that there will be a recovery and a bounceback. Most defenses across the league are still figuring sh!t out. There are only a handful of goalies playing well too. 

Dude, can't you see by disagreeing with him you're attacking his very soul? I'll pray for him to recover from this post.

Until then, Fitz better go out and get Saros for a bag of used pucks, an AHL veteren, and a 3rd round pick.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

11 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said:

Dude, can't you see by disagreeing with him you're attacking his very soul? I'll pray for him to recover from this post.

Until then, Fitz better go out and get Saros for a bag of used pucks, an AHL veteran, and a 3rd round pick.

VV and Schmid combined for a save% of .913 last year.  It took all of 6 games for some people to be fully convinced those two absolutely CANNOT do that again?  Or even come close?   

[NJDevils1214]

23 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

VV and Schmid combined for a save% of .913 last year.  It took all of 6 games for some people to be fully convinced those two absolutely CANNOT do that again?  Or even come close?   

Sports fans!

Edited October 26, 2023 by NJDevils1214

[hit the post]

On 10/25/2023 at 10:19 PM, hit the post said:

Great additions in the off season with the same sh!t goalies= Disappointments

Update.....Our additions suck also.