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8 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Welp this ten game stretch certainly didn’t end great.

This was fun while it lasted, and it won’t surprise me if the Mets bounce back enough to keep hovering around .500 for a while.  But the reality is that this team doesn’t have the arms and the offense is starting to come back to Earth a bit.  Alonso, Lindor, and Nimmo are all sub-.250 hitters…Nimmo gets on base at a fine clip, but the other two, not so much.  Lindor’s at .308…that is not acceptable.

Hopefully Severino isn’t about to fall off a cliff, because he was brought aboard to be a “low risk but hopefully fetch a good return later” guy, and for the most part, he’s been that.

Mets should deal off Alonso, Martinez, Manaea, and Severino, for starters.  If some team gets desperate and wants to trade for one of the better Mets’ BP arms, by all means.

If this is the beginning of an inevitable crash, better it happen now.  People will back off Stearns “needing” to make big moves to try to prop up the 2024 Mets, and he can execute his original Plan A without fans and local media losing their sh!t.

And on a final note, hopefully McNeil and his sub-.600 OPS won’t be here in 2025.  Because he is awful…over his last 30 GP, he’s slashing .174/.204/.255…this is Tim Tebow AAA bad.  I don’t know what the hell happened to him, but he’s gotta be put out of his misery already.  

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DIaz I just don't trust. Yea it was a 3 run lead over the Pirates but he's turned those into adventures before. He closed that one out. Good. Mets stop the losing streak before it turned into something concerning with a tidy 5-2 win

Today he comes in the 8th and melts down. Gives up what looked like the game winning hit. It took a good play by Bader to just get out of the inning. Could've been a whole lot worse for Edwin. Mets rally and he closes it out. Disaster averted (for now). More often than not though the Mets are not going to be able to bail him out.

I don't know what happened but after that WBC injury he is just not the same pitcher he was a few years ago that looked like he figured it out after looking like he didn't have what it takes to pitch in New York. I don't know if the sticky stuff has anything to do with it, I mean were they checking for it then when he had his big year? 

If the Mets miss out on a Wild Card spot this year it will likely be because of the bullpen and Diaz. The offense is a bit cold now but overall is above average and will have those days when it slugs out 8 or more runs and allows us to absorb garbage pen performance. But some days it won't...like that 5-0 lead they had on Washington from a few days ago. You CANNOT let that one slip away.

The starting staff has been passable and will only get better with the return of Senga. 

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Good to hear from ya ‘7’!

The good thing about the 2024 Mets is that they have a lot of expiring contracts and nice rental guys that they should be able to move for prospects.  Sure, it’s been kinda fun seeing them managing not to fall apart, but this is just not a team that Stearns should be trying to prop up with any “right now” deals.  The WC teams are starting to pull away to boot.

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Another banner day for the Met BP...ugh.  Scott had pitched 5.1 IP and had allowed ONE hit (yes, it went yard, but still) and had thrown only 77 pitches...why exactly was he taken out of the game?

Sad truth:

Nimmo:  .252/.369/.454, .823 OPS, 14 HR, 55 RBI

Alonso:  .240/.321/.458, .780 OPS, 18 HR, 48 RBI

Nimmo is basically a better hitter this season than the guy who's looking for a big payday.

McNeil has now put up a .194 OB% (yep, that's his friggin' OB%) over his last 30 games.  WHY IS HE IN THE LINEUP?!

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Great point brought up on the WFAN today:

Starting pitchers are supposed to your best arms, but more and more managers (and meddlesome front offices) seem to be more obsessed with pitch counts and (GASP!) starters facing a hitter too many times even if he’s getting it done.

Closers are supposed to be your best relievers, but due to typical “by the book” thinking, they rarely are asked to provide more than three outs.

The guys considered not to be good enough to be starters OR closers are now the ones getting a lot of innings in the middle of these games.  And unfortunately because more “by the book” thinking happened yesterday (ahhh nooooo can’t ask Scott to get another out because he’ll drop dead and his career might be threatened!), a game that the Mets needed was allowed to get away from them.

It’s this kinda wussification by a bunch of analytic dorks that is really hurting baseball…and making it hard to take seriously.  Can starting pitchers please stop being treated like they’re all made of fvcking crystal please?!  Because none of this “handle with absolute kid gloves” treatment they’re getting is helping them OR the damned game.

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Yeah it's not like pitch count control has done jack all to prevent the rise of arm injuries.

I did like Buck going somewhat new-school (or is it just no school) with the way he used Diaz two years ago.  Not sure THIS version of Diaz would be worthy of the 'find the toughest inning even if it isn't the ninth' thinking, though he's still likely much better than the rest of our pen.

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32 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Yeah it's not like pitch count control has done jack all to prevent the rise of arm injuries.

I did like Buck going somewhat new-school (or is it just no school) with the way he used Diaz two years ago.  Not sure THIS version of Diaz would be worthy of the 'find the toughest inning even if it isn't the ninth' thinking, though he's still likely much better than the rest of our pen.

Look how long Scherzer and Verlander have been able to pitch…yeah, they’re breaking down physically more recently, but they racked up PLENTY of innings there for a while, well into their 30s.  This new mentality that well under 200 IP for starters is now acceptable…I just don’t fvcking get it.  

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Ottavino is the true epitome of the “year to year” reliever.  And goddamn this pen can really sh!t all over any game they’re tasked with taking home.

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Think it’s time to realize that whatever magic Reed Garrett had at the beginning of the year has been completely and totally used up.  He’s been giving up baserunners galore for several weeks now.  

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Well they won, but even when tasked with holding a 6-run and 5-run lead for just two innings, the BP damned near sh!ts all over itself yet again.  It’s becoming dangerously predictable.

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BTW in the Bronx, Stro is in full Stro mode…the stakes get a little higher, and he wilts.  In his last 31.1 IP (6 starts), he’s allowed 50 baserunners (30 hits, 16 walks, 4 HBP) and 7 HR.  That’s “good” for an ERA of 5.74 and a FIP of 6.65.  Curious to see if he has any kind of surge in him…based on his peripherals, I’d say it’s less than 50-50.

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Good article by Mike Vaccaro today, in the NYP...basically talked about how back when the Yankees acquired Giancarlo Stanton before the 2018 season, that when Alderson was asked if there was any interest on his part, that the Mets already had RF covered, with...Brandon Nimmo.

Of course the feeling at the time was that Nimmo was far from a sure thing to ever become a good major leaguer, and of course, had injury issues throughout his pro career to that point.  His potential durability was definitely something to question.

In the time since Stanton was brought to NY:

Stanton:  618 GP, .244/.326/.485 slash, .811 OPS (and over his last three seasons his slash is just .213/.290/.455, so he's clearly not trending in the right direction)

Nimmo:  744 GP, .268/.380/.454 slash, .834 OPS (and over HIS last three seasons his slash is .269/.365/.452, so not much of a dropoff, and on top of that, he's on pace to play in 150+ games for the third straight season, and unlike Stanton, he can actually RUN and isn't spending most of his time DH'ing).

Alderson was often hard to stomach, but guess he gets the last laugh here.  Nimmo has been the better, more consistent, and definitely healthier player as time has worn on.  

 

Also didn't realize it but Nimmo has somewhat quietly put up a .986 OPS over his last 32 GP.  That's pretty impressive.

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Javier Baez since becoming a Tiger:  .223/.264/.344, .607 OPS, 70 OPS+

Anthony Volpe, since 4/16:  .227/.273/.344, .617 OPS

Volpe's still obviously quite young, but gotta start to wonder if this kid is either not as good as hyped, or could use some more minor-league seasoning.  He didn't exactly tear it up in AAA while there a couple of seasons ago.

 

Hate to say it, but the friggin' Braves may have figured out yet again how to get the most out of an acquisition.  Kelenic is slashing .297/.335/.515 over his last 25 GP...he's only drawn 6 walks and he's still a K machine (31 of them in 109 PA over this stretch), and his BABIP suggests some regression may be coming (.369), but man the Braves just have that gift of fixing what comes to them broken or in need of refurbishment.  It's admirable...and frustrating as all fvck.  

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Nice win…just when you’re starting to worry that Corbin’s going to find some way to shut the Mets down, they figure him out and take advantage of the Nats, well, basically sucking.

Apparently Severino doesn’t know basic fundamentals.  And that’s ANOTHER issue with MLB these days.  Too many players don’t.

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13 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

BTW in the Bronx, Stro is in full Stro mode…the stakes get a little higher, and he wilts.  In his last 31.1 IP (6 starts), he’s allowed 50 baserunners (30 hits, 16 walks, 4 HBP) and 7 HR.  That’s “good” for an ERA of 5.74 and a FIP of 6.65.  Curious to see if he has any kind of surge in him…based on his peripherals, I’d say it’s less than 50-50.

Stro should blow Hill tonight for making his line look better than it had any right to…he leaves in the fifth with one out and the bases loaded, having allowed 7 hits and 2 walks and having hit a batter (10 baserunners allowed in 4.1 IP), and Hill strands all three runners.

So in his last 7 starts:  35.2 IP, 37 H, 18 BB, and 5 HBP.  60 baserunners?!  That’s pretty fvcking dreadful.  So much for being a Yankee bringing out his “best”, heh heh.  Once a frontrunning punk, ALWAYS a frontrunning punk.  He’ll never be as good as he loves to believe.

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On 7/9/2024 at 9:44 PM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

Think it’s time to realize that whatever magic Reed Garrett had at the beginning of the year has been completely and totally used up.  He’s been giving up baserunners galore for several weeks now.  

Predictably now on the DL…he’s had just as much of a up and down season as the Mets themselves 

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38 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Predictably now on the DL…he’s had just as much of a up and down season as the Mets themselves 

He started strong but has been pretty meh for a while now.

Was nice to the see the pen get it done smoothly for a change.  But damn the Nats are just…not good.

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62 RBI now for Nimmo.  His career high for a FULL season is 68 (set last year).  Dude has come up with a lot of biggies too.

Alonso gets thrown out at second to end the inning, but at least he drove in a run for a change.  Mets up 5-0.

 

Peterson manages to go a full 6, allowing no runs.  He's in line to be 4-0 (8 starts), with a 3.09 ERA.  Sadly this is more the product of considerable good fortune, as a 1.42 WHIP will attest...he's not really suppressing hits and he's allowed 67 baserunners in 43.1 IP.  So far he's managed to keep the ball in the park (only 4 HRs allowed), but eventually his luck is going to run out.  

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10 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Two games over .500 and in a playoff spot, a lot more than I thought we were getting out of this season a few weeks ago.

Now if this team REAAAAAAALLY wants to start to establish itself as more than a .500ish team...DON'T FIND a way to lose this next series against the Rockies.  Really they need to sweep, but for the love of GOD, don't lose this series!

But yeah, at 22-33, no way any of us saw this team being relevant as we close in on the 100-game mark of the season.  They showed damned near NO signs of getting on a run.  And here were are, 37 games later and a 25-12 record over those games.  

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One thing about Juan Soto…he really should be a leadoff hitter.  His first priority is to get on base, not drive in runs.  He gets on base so much that he could go down as one of the top leadoff hitters of all time, but as a guy who never shies away from letting teammates having to drive runs home, might as well roll with what his best talents are.  

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Holy fvck…bottom of the second and three out of four Met hitters go yard.  And no cheapies.  Goddamn.

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16 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Two home runs, the Jose Iglesias career year is definitely a thing

Love that Mendoza called out the ump on an absolute sh!t “I wanna go home” strike three call on Iglesias (ball was clearly high).  Mets have definitely had their share of passive managers through the years.  Good ejection to take.

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