nessus Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 This is extremely unlikely to happen, but the Devils could theoretically have one of the best D groups in the league in a few years made up of only home grown players: Luke-Nemec Silayev-Casey Orlov/Misyul/Karpovich/Vilen (some combination) Among that third pairing, I really think Orlov has a good chance of a solid NHL career. Karpovich has a ton of potential, but lots of developing still to do. But Misyul is big and mobile, and just had a pretty good first season in North America. And that's not to mention Vilen who was the top scoring regular Comets defenseman (in points/game) at age 21. Almost scary to think about all the talent we have in the system. It would be tough to part with any of these guys, but if a trade could be made to get a winger to play next to Jack, the assets are definitely there. I know the Devils already do not have their 1st in next year's draft, but if they want to go light on drafting defense next time around, I think that will be just fine for them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 1 minute ago, nessus said: This is extremely unlikely to happen, but the Devils could theoretically have one of the best D groups in the league in a few years made up of only home grown players: Luke-Nemec Silayev-Casey Orlov/Misyul/Karpovich/Vilen (some combination) Among that third pairing, I really think Orlov has a good chance of a solid NHL career. Karpovich has a ton of potential, but lots of developing still to do. But Misyul is big and mobile, and just had a pretty good first season in North America. And that's not to mention Vilen who was the top scoring regular Comets defenseman (in points/game) at age 21. Almost scary to think about all the talent we have in the system. It would be tough to part with any of these guys, but if a trade could be made to get a winger to play next to Jack, the assets are definitely there. I know the Devils already do not have their 1st in next year's draft, but if they want to go light on drafting defense next time around, I think that will be just fine for them. Great post and yeah I think whatever upper-round picks are left after deadline deals (gotta figure some “right now” deals will be made if the Devils are only a piece or two away from a Cup run), Fitz will spend several of them on selecting forwards with offensive upside. As much as Cotter might turn out to be terrific in his role, Holtz ultimately not working out here is definitely a bit of a setback. I think overall the Devils will be better but I think the real wild card is Dawson Mercer. This team is going to need him to produce. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 23 minutes ago, nessus said: This is extremely unlikely to happen, but the Devils could theoretically have one of the best D groups in the league in a few years made up of only home grown players: Luke-Nemec Silayev-Casey Orlov/Misyul/Karpovich/Vilen (some combination) Among that third pairing, I really think Orlov has a good chance of a solid NHL career. Karpovich has a ton of potential, but lots of developing still to do. But Misyul is big and mobile, and just had a pretty good first season in North America. And that's not to mention Vilen who was the top scoring regular Comets defenseman (in points/game) at age 21. Almost scary to think about all the talent we have in the system. It would be tough to part with any of these guys, but if a trade could be made to get a winger to play next to Jack, the assets are definitely there. I know the Devils already do not have their 1st in next year's draft, but if they want to go light on drafting defense next time around, I think that will be just fine for them. Oh also, you are right in that due to commitments to some other players, that your list isn't likely to fully happen, but hopefully guys like that can be traded to teams with some forward surplus. I'll never be opposed to trading Casey for the RIGHT young forward (or one who's both cost-controlled and has prime years left), but it really seems like Fitz sees him as a guy who slots in once he's able to move Hamilton...I see Fitz trying to do that before the 2026-27 season. Casey will be stuck in the AHL for two seasons (of course we know how quickly things can change should injuries rear their ugly heads), and barring Casey not developing, I can't see him being down there for a THIRD season. Speaking of, the kid appears to have a great attitude and says all of the right things, but man if he's tearing it up with Utica in his second pro season and there's no room for him with the big club...yeah, he'll only be 21 going on 22 at that point, and sometimes kids just gotta wait their turn, but hard to think he might not start feeling restless. But of course, gotta actually get to that bridge before you cross it. For all the hypotheticals that we all come up with, not like they all become reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 Off-season hypothetical time What do you think it would realistically take for us to land Quinn in the next couple seasons? I can't really think of any scenario that isn't cost prohibitive on our end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 3 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Oh also, you are right in that due to commitments to some other players, that your list isn't likely to fully happen, but hopefully guys like that can be traded to teams with some forward surplus. I'll never be opposed to trading Casey for the RIGHT young forward (or one who's both cost-controlled and has prime years left), but it really seems like Fitz sees him as a guy who slots in once he's able to move Hamilton...I see Fitz trying to do that before the 2026-27 season. Casey will be stuck in the AHL for two seasons (of course we know how quickly things can change should injuries rear their ugly heads), and barring Casey not developing, I can't see him being down there for a THIRD season. Speaking of, the kid appears to have a great attitude and says all of the right things, but man if he's tearing it up with Utica in his second pro season and there's no room for him with the big club...yeah, he'll only be 21 going on 22 at that point, and sometimes kids just gotta wait their turn, but hard to think he might not start feeling restless. But of course, gotta actually get to that bridge before you cross it. For all the hypotheticals that we all come up with, not like they all become reality. I think this is Fitz's strategy too. See how Casey does this year in the AHL, and then decide whether he wants to try to move on from Dougie starting that following season. This assumes Nemec continues on his current trajectory. Presumably the Devils get closer to contending for a Cup with each of the next couple of seasons, and then Fitz can decide whether a right side of Nemec-Hamilton-Pesce vs. Nemec-Pesce-Casey is worth the extra millions of dollars that could be spent on a top 6 winger. I do think that the fan base is a bit down on Dougie as a whole lately. With how much time he has spent injured, hard to blame anyone for that. But I have a feeling that he's going to make it really tough for us to want him traded after this season. He may not be super fast, and he certainly isn't physical for his size. But man, is he dangerous with the puck on his stick. A huge difference maker for this team, which really can't be emphasized enough, considering how awful last season was without him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Off-season hypothetical time What do you think it would realistically take for us to land Quinn in the next couple seasons? I can't really think of any scenario that isn't cost prohibitive on our end Won't ever happen. Quinn is their captain and the kind of guy who they'll hang onto for just about all of his prime years. He'll be a UFA come 2027-28, at which point I gotta think that as long as he's not showing any signs of decline, they'll promptly re-sign him to at least six more years. Of course the idea is intriguing but why would Vancouver ever want to do that? The only way that I could see it happening is if they're convinced that Quinn is definitely NEVER signing another deal with them. But yeah, then the question is how the hell do the Devils fit HIS money (especially his future hit, which will absolutely be higher) into their cap? And what would it cost to get him? Edited July 17 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, nessus said: I think this is Fitz's strategy too. See how Casey does this year in the AHL, and then decide whether he wants to try to move on from Dougie starting that following season. This assumes Nemec continues on his current trajectory. Presumably the Devils get closer to contending for a Cup with each of the next couple of seasons, and then Fitz can decide whether a right side of Nemec-Hamilton-Pesce vs. Nemec-Pesce-Casey is worth the extra millions of dollars that could be spent on a top 6 winger. I do think that the fan base is a bit down on Dougie as a whole lately. With how much time he has spent injured, hard to blame anyone for that. But I have a feeling that he's going to make it really tough for us to want him traded after this season. He may not be super fast, and he certainly isn't physical for his size. But man, is he dangerous with the puck on his stick. A huge difference maker for this team, which really can't be emphasized enough, considering how awful last season was without him. I like Dougie...for me personally, it's more that he represents a big cap hit that I'm sure Fitz will start thinking about clearing, especially if Nemec does indeed continue on his current trajectory, and Casey looks like a guy who's on a fast-track to get his shot to play in the NHL. It's not a knock on Dougie, more the reality that you can't keep everyone, Dougie will likely be reaching the end of his prime in the next 2-3 years, and the franchise will be in a position where organizational depth should allow the Devils to deal him and still be able to ice plenty of terrific RHD. Edited July 17 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 7 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: I like Dougie...for me personally, it's more that he represents a big cap hit that I'm sure Fitz will start thinking about clearing, especially if Nemec does indeed continue on his current trajectory, and Casey looks like a guy who's on a fast-track to get his shot to play in the NHL. It's not a knock on Dougie, more the reality that you can't keep everyone, Dougie will likely be reaching the end of his prime in the next 2-3 years, and the franchise will be in a position where organizational depth should allow the Devils to deal him and still be able to ice plenty of terrific RHD. One of the things about Dougie that I think will work in our favor, trade or not, is that he seems like the type of player to age well. Despite his injuries, he isn't overly physical, so he hopefully doesn't have that chronic wear and tear that would make a lot of guys slow down quicker. And he was never someone who depended on his speed to create offense. I could definitely see him being one of those guys who remains effective at age 35 just based on how smart he is with generating offense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincois Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 22 hours ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Off-season hypothetical time What do you think it would realistically take for us to land Quinn in the next couple seasons? I can't really think of any scenario that isn't cost prohibitive on our end Not as long as Dougie's here. No chance imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincois Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 So, here we are a couple months before camp, & how does everyone feel about this team going forward? Can this team go "deeper" into the playoffs? (not just make them) Cautiously optimistic? I think Fitz nailed our "needs" well. I wished he could've gotten a top 6 fw,. I'm sure he looked into it, but the asking price was too high. With Dougie back, I think/hope our PP will be easily in the top 10. Love our bottom 6. I'll say we'll get to round 2 of playoffs. All of us know that being healthy is a large part of the equation. LGD's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 If Harris and Blitzer do this, they better rename them the NJ 76ers. We all know that won’t happen though, so we’ll just have another big city franchise taking advantage of our state. https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2024/07/19/report-devils-owners-to-move-nba-philadelphia-76ers-to-new-jersey/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0oIbualp7UUFo4WvRuTHPsLkd-Zrpv0xhuycuxCmlpecdpR3VxbH-aUME_aem_BO7U8_gFVZZu4jg0jXu9ng#lystf6d4mhk8rdgri3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 BORED. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincois Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 20 hours ago, MadDog2020 said: If Harris and Blitzer do this, they better rename them the NJ 76ers. We all know that won’t happen though, so we’ll just have another big city franchise taking advantage of our state. https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2024/07/19/report-devils-owners-to-move-nba-philadelphia-76ers-to-new-jersey/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0oIbualp7UUFo4WvRuTHPsLkd-Zrpv0xhuycuxCmlpecdpR3VxbH-aUME_aem_BO7U8_gFVZZu4jg0jXu9ng#lystf6d4mhk8rdgri3 The Camden 76er's have a nice ring tho it! 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 15 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: So if he were to get called up at any time and then sent back down, can he be claimed on waivers? Couldn’t find that info anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 7 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: So if he were to get called up at any time and then sent back down, can he be claimed on waivers? Couldn’t find that info anywhere. I just tweeted your exact question to James Nichols so we'll see if he knows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Another week begins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 8 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Another week begins How long until prospect camp and the tourny in Buffalo?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 (edited) 20 minutes ago, NJDevils1214 said: How long until prospect camp and the tourny in Buffalo?!?! Just googled it but it doesn't seem as though the Sabres have announced it yet, someone on Reddit said there's an unannounced event scheduled for the LECOM Center September 12th to the 16th so that's probably it. 52 days Edited July 22 by RunninWithTheDevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Just googled it but it doesn't seem as though the Sabres have announced it yet, someone on Reddit said there's an unannounced event scheduled for the LECOM Center September 12th to the 16th so that's probably it. 52 days Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: So if he were to get called up at any time and then sent back down, can he be claimed on waivers? Couldn’t find that info anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 2 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: Yeah had a hunch. Devils won't be able to hang onto him if they call him up and have to send him down; hard to imagine he won't get claimed. Kind of a bummer, but that's the numbers game sometimes...of course, if anyone were to miss time long-term (very much a possibility, as we know), a spot can open up for him, and then the Devils can decide how to handle a numbers crunch later. Hatakka will start the season in Utica and figures to stay there as long the Devils D corp stays relatively healthy...or as long as Siegs has a solid bounceback year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 https://thehockeynews.com/news/barry-trotz-is-right-nhl-teams-in-no-tax-states-have-an-advantage-but-its-not-the-only-factor?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3idi0KkFD7i3ojJeNThBpHOozpWqk1SyA6kvODVCEER3i1FvlFsrELZXw_aem_Pv96bvG8HYFHPptb_QrUDw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 20 minutes ago, RunninWithTheDevil said: I can see Dawson’s new deal coming down to the wire…these non-superstar, non-arb eligible RFAs only have so much leverage after their ELCs expire. Dawson may not sign a contract that he’s thrilled with this time around, but he can prove that he’s closer to the 2022-23 version of himself rather than the version we saw last year…and then will do a lot better with his next contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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