MadDog2020 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=131693 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 no surprise here. If I had just lost the most lopsided negotiation in sports history, I would leave too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 I wonder if '7' jumped off the nearest bridge yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 don't you know? '7' is Goodenow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Wow, surprised it happened so fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 don't you know? '7' is Goodenow <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well, they've never been seen in the same place and at the same time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Man Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Why did he step down? He did such a great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 don't you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Seeya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Press Conference at 3pm btw, will be cybercast on TSN.ca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hattrick Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 This is slowly turning into a bash '7' post. Maybe '7' should resign from this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I don't think it's so much a matter of losing as it is a matter of not doing what your constituency wanted. Bettman lost in 1995 but he didn't step down, because ultimately he deferred to the owners and a season wasn't lost. Goodenow led the players down the garden path, lost a season and abandoned every principle he let the season die for. He underestimated the league but more importantly he didn't negotiate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I don't think it's so much a matter of losing as it is a matter of not doing what your constituency wanted. Bettman lost in 1995 but he didn't step down, because ultimately he deferred to the owners and a season wasn't lost. Goodenow led the players down the garden path, lost a season and abandoned every principle he let the season die for. He underestimated the league but more importantly he didn't negotiate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It wouldn't be a win-lose outcome except that the league got virtually everything that they wanted and an even better deal than they were willing to give back in March. Back in 95, the owners thought they had a good deal but it turned out not to be the case. This time around, the players know they capitulated on every point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 (edited) What was he to do, the PA planned a strategy, and then you have certain spineless bastards who bail early on the NHLPA and immediately start complaining. You'd like to take players as honest individuals right? When you commit to 18-24, you follow through. Otherwise some of these bozos should've spoken up earlier. now, Bettman has to resign if you ultimately want to give the league a fresh start. I don't expect them both to happen the same day, but sometime within the next week. oh yea, I am Bob Goodenow Edited July 28, 2005 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Well, if so many players bailed early on, it was probably an unrealistic strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I don't think Goodenow led anyone down the garden path. from all reports, he told the players it might take sitting out 18-24 months, they were sent questionnaires asking them how long they were willing to stay out and the majority said either two years or as long as it takes. But I think he made 2 key errors. First, whatever he told his constituency, I don't think Bob really believed the owners meant it this time. I don't think he EVER thought they would cancel a season. So I don't believe he really believed in 18-24 months, whatever he told his constituency. Which leads me to the second mistake, of why there was no plan of action if it all went to hell and the players DIDN'T follow through on their promise of unity through this whole 18-24 month time period. Because he didn't have one. And I think it was because he didn't believe the owners would ever cancel the season, they would fold. So there would be no need to keep his constituency together over that period. Because you should damn well have a Plan B. And he didn't have one. And I can't believe he REALLY thought the players were going to keep it together that long after a season was cancelled. So he must have thought the owners would cave. Otherwise there would have been a Plan B!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJayDevil Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 The hockey world just became a better place. No all we need is that little fvcking weasel Bettman to go bye-bye's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hattrick Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 The hockey world just became a better place. No all we need is that little fvcking weasel Bettman to go bye-bye's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bettman is not going anywhere. He got a slam dunk, empty net goal victory for the owners. He will be around for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 the players were delusional, and goodenow fed their delusions instead of trying to help them see the reality of their situation. That they were screwed. And were lucky to get some of the offers they were getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 at the end of the day, the players stood to lose more by not capitulating than the owners did by not having a season. The resolve of the majority of owners was underestimated by the PA and Goodenow. That was his penultimate error in judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 and what was the ultimate error in judgement ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 At a time like this, I think this bears repeating: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 and what was the ultimate error in judgement ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the error in judgement was that he believed the resolve of the owners was not strong and that they could not handle a long lockout. He was incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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