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Haha! Check this one out from TSN:

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while this is obviously taking it too far, this is was still a mess that lou had to clean up the best he could. while this isn't hfboards where a 1st round pick is worth more than jagr, it still has some value. the roenick salary dump last year cost Philly a 5th round pick and the kings actually had to pay JR. vlad is a cap figure and nothing else and it cost the devils a 1st round pick.

lets face it...since the the summer leading into the lockout, lou has not made strong moves:

oliwa

langdon

(and the failure to buy either out)

waiting for neids

malakhov (who really didn't want to be here so he overpaid him to come)

mogilny

mcgillis

klee (was this the best we could do for suglobov)

of course, his takeover from larry last year and the way he lead the team into the 2nd round of the playoffs along with his decision to put parise on the top line instead of burying him on the 4th makes up for much of that. but his infalability has taken some hits over the last 18-24 months.

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I think its clear these were dips in his brilliant career... Oduya may turn into a Rafalski, and then we look brilliant.

Our "lacking" depth will bring up Zajac, Tallackson, Clarkson and Ryznar (and maybe Bergfors) at some point this year. And our free agents farm guys in Oduya and Greene may see good ice time this year.

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Spector's take on the trade:

(from his FoxSports blog)

Under pressure to cut his payroll under the salary cap prior to the start of the season, New Jersey Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello has once again proven why he's one of the savviest in the business.

Lamoriello pulled off the unthinkable, trading "retired" defenseman Vladimir Malakhov along with a conditional first round pick to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for forward Alexander Korolyuk and defenseman Jim Fahey.

There's something a bit odd about this move. Malakhov claimed last week he was retired in Miami and that his knees were too banged up to play hockey. However, the reason Malakhov was traded is because he hasn't officially filed his retirement papers, meaning that for as long as he's under contract (even as a suspended player) he could be traded.

Korolyuk meanwhile had declined contract offers from the Sharks and spent last season playing in Russia, although his rights still belonged to the Sharks.

The Sharks rid themselves of a forward who obviously had no intention of playing for them again, but why did they take on Malakhov's salary if he has no intention of playing pro hockey again?

Put simply, this was two teams swapping their problem children.

The Sharks will be on the hook for Malakhov's salary for this season, but they have the cap space to absorb the $3.6 million hit, and in return get themselves a conditional first rounder to build their future. With the Sharks also planning on dumping a goaltender at some point this season, they'll have cap space to bring in some additional depth if required later in the season.

A conditional first rounder was apparently worth doing Lou Lamoriello a favor.

This has to rank as a miracle for Devils fans. "Uncle Lou" has not only rid himself of $3.6 million, but got himself a decent, affordable defenseman in return with the acquisition of Fahey.

It remains to be seen if Korolyuk will ever suit up for the Devils, but if he doesn't that's of no real concern for the Devils GM, who now has freed up valuable cap space.

Should Lamoriello succeed in his quest to get Alexander Mogilny's salary written off due to long term injury, he'll have lowered his cap hit to around $38 million, leaving him more than enough room to officially announce the re-signings of Brian Gionta, Paul Martin and others to round out the roster.

That means no trading away Gionta or Scott Gomez as so many internet rumormongers had claimed.

Don't be surprised if there's some howls of protest from rival owners or general managers or outrage from some pundits, but obviously this deal stuck within the spirit of the CBA, otherwise the league wouldn't have approved it.

Lamoriello had painted himself into a corner with Mogilny and Malakhov's expensive contracts, but has also proved to be an amazing escape artist in getting himself out of it.

For Devils fans, Lamoriello is the magic man. :koolaid:

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while this is obviously taking it too far, this is was still a mess that lou had to clean up the best he could. while this isn't hfboards where a 1st round pick is worth more than jagr, it still has some value. the roenick salary dump last year cost Philly a 5th round pick and the kings actually had to pay JR. vlad is a cap figure and nothing else and it cost the devils a 1st round pick.

lets face it...since the the summer leading into the lockout, lou has not made strong moves:

oliwa

langdon

(and the failure to buy either out)

waiting for neids

malakhov (who really didn't want to be here so he overpaid him to come)

mogilny

mcgillis

klee (was this the best we could do for suglobov)

of course, his takeover from larry last year and the way he lead the team into the 2nd round of the playoffs along with his decision to put parise on the top line instead of burying him on the 4th makes up for much of that. but his infalability has taken some hits over the last 18-24 months.

Oliwa signing was made pre-lockout and he was coming off a strong playoff run. He looked like the Kryztzsof of old for Calgary.

Langdon - misfire, but this team had no enforcer in 2004 and it seemed to cost us. He was signed post-lockout IIRC.

Buying Oliwa out might've been right, but as it stands they didn't realize they'd be paying him to do nothing. Buyout period came before signing period. While it's obvious Krys made too much for a salary capped NHL, handing him $750K not to play for you when he hasn't had even a training camp is somewhat extreme - especially for a player Lou drafted and had in the organization.

Malakhov, Mogilny, McGillis - big mistakes. Obviously. I don't think anyone could've predicted just how awful they would've been though - the fact that Lou completely whiffed on all three is rather remarkable. Malakhov is obviously the worst signing of the bunch.

Klee - meh. Didn't work out. Again, if we get Luko for Suglobov and deal a 4th to Toronto for Klee, what's the difference?

Signing Langenbrunner, White, and Elias at the lengths he did was a stroke of genius.

If you rated him just over this period, he'd look like one of the worst GMs in the NHL. I don't think this will continue - Lou and company need to get better at recognizing free agent bargains.

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For Devils fans, Lamoriello is the magic man. :koolaid:

That was a solid breakdown by Spector, who's proven himself to be a shrewd hockey analyst lately. While other "rumor" columnists are making up whispers about Gomez-to-Calgary, Spector was busy running cap numbers and shooting them down.

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Spector's take on the trade:

(from his FoxSports blog)

Don't be surprised if there's some howls of protest from rival owners or general managers or outrage from some pundits, but obviously this deal stuck within the spirit of the CBA, otherwise the league wouldn't have approved it.

Lamoriello had painted himself into a corner with Mogilny and Malakhov's expensive contracts, but has also proved to be an amazing escape artist in getting himself out of it.

For Devils fans, Lamoriello is the magic man. :koolaid:

This was obviously Lou's way out - as long as Vladimir is not retired, he can be traded. This was our claim all along - though it looked more and less likely at points during this ordeal. I just never thought it would be San Jose who would take him, but again - San Jose can then move him later in the season to clear salary cap space.

I enjoy the TSN summary of the deal - like Vlad will ever play for San Jose, or Korolyuk for New Jersey.

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Wonder what the pick's conditional on... 'Yuk being signed?

I'm surprised it is a conditional pick - I can't imagine the conditions. Can't a conditional pick just be a choice between different years? (e.g. if Malakhov plays for San Jose, San Jose chooses when they get the pick, otherwise New Jersey chooses, within a range of three or five years - this could very well be conditional on Korolyuk signing).

Still, the Devils don't need or want Korolyuk. Why he's in this deal is a mystery unless his rights are held for one year in perpetuity because he owes San Jose a year.

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Spector brought up a point I've been wondering since this trade, but how long until Sather or Clarke slither into the NHL offices and protest this trade? I'm really worried this trade will get blocked somehow being how unusual the Malakhov situation is. Technically this is all legal, but this is also an unusual set of circumstances and right now I would imagine their is steam coming off of both Sather and Clarke's heads. Both of them probably spent last week getting ready to celebrate with glee when the Devils had to dump possibly two big players to get under the cap. They can't be content at doing nothing to try to stop this.

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Spector brought up a point I've been wondering since this trade, but how long until Sather or Clarke slither into the NHL offices and protest this trade? I'm really worried this trade will get blocked somehow being how unusual the Malakhov situation is. Technically this is all legal, but this is also an unusual set of circumstances and right now I would imagine their is steam coming off of both Sather and Clarke's heads. Both of them probably spent last week getting ready to celebrate with glee when the Devils had to dump possibly two big players to get under the cap. They can't be content at doing nothing to try to stop this.

Sather and Clarke won't have a leg to stand on. Malakhov has not officially retired - he might fly to San Jose tomorrow. If he does, it will be for tennis of course - he's never playing pro hockey again. Since Malakhov isn't officially retired and under contract, he can be traded - suspended players can still be dealt (think Pavel Bure in 99). It's perfectly legal.

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Sather and Clarke won't have a leg to stand on. Malakhov has not officially retired - he might fly to San Jose tomorrow. If he does, it will be for tennis of course - he's never playing pro hockey again. Since Malakhov isn't officially retired and under contract, he can be traded - suspended players can still be dealt (think Pavel Bure in 99). It's perfectly legal.

I'm not going to argue the technicality of it. However, Malakhov has also publicly stated that he is retired. Then there is the CBA rule which they could argue was put in place for teams who sign 35 and over free agents to have responsibility when giving them multi-year contracts. That could provide enough ground for Clarke or Sather to go to the offices and argue this.

Not that I am unhappy with what Lou was able to pull. somehow it just feels like it was too easy to get rid of the Malakhov debacle.

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Check out this comment on TSN from a very bitter Leafs fan :

"Always happy to see Lamiorello get bitten by his own incompetence. First they force Malakhov to retire, then they realize that his salary still counts under the cap, so they deal him? Considering you don't even have Paul Martin signed, maybe you shouldn't be so gung ho in sending off your defence corps Lou. P.S. Thanks again for Suglobov!"

"Thanks again for Suglobov"??? Do these people have nothing to hold on to? How clueless can you be?

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