devilsadvoc8 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Just a random topic for discussion.. Who do you think are the best retired players that never won the cup? Ones that come to mind are: Adam Oates Mike Gartner Pavel Bure Cam Neely Harry Howell Marcel Dionne Norm Ullman I can think of some others but they aren't in the category of the above players like Phil Housley, Hextall but I don't put them in the above class. Any historians out there with info on great older players that never won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Without question, I rank Marcel Dionne as the best... unless someone blows my mind with somebody I'm forgetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) Brian Propp Brian Bellows James Patrick John Vanbiesbrouck Ron Greschner Rick Middleton Brad Park Dale Hawerchuk Pat LaFontaine Bernie Nicholls Jeremy Roenick Keith Tkachuk Edited November 16, 2006 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Dino Ciccarelli and Keith Primeau are the first ones I can think of other than the ones already mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 There don't seem to be a lot of big-name goalies that haven't won the Cup, in that category you have to say CuJo (400 wins, or close to it?) as well as Beezer. Not sure how many other goalies have come up short that were fairly prominent players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils102 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Borje Salming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Fan Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Pronger and Iginla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Ray Bourque being along for the ride and for ESPN to have a story to write doesn't count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJD Jester Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Great topic...we needed this in the off-season To me, Beezer back-stopping the Panthers to the finals in their second year (?) is as good as winning the Cup. He'll never get the credit for it, but just like Marty in 1995 he was what made that defensive system work. Oates is the best player I've seen to not win the Cup. People downplay the importance of having a ring -- if Oates won the Cup with the Blues or the Capitals, he'd be in the same breath as Sakic and Yzerman. Instead, he's a notch below. Gartner is in a totally different category -- players who never even made the Cup Finals. That's just flat out depressing. <JESTER> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) Sorry Jester, but I don't think Oates would ever be considered with Sakic or Yzerman - his career numbers are considerably worse and he has a rep for disappearing at crunch time. Same with Mike Gartner. Dionne's a solid selection - how about Gilbert Perreault? Peter Bondra? ^7^, Brian Bellows won the Cup in 92-93 with the Habs. A case can certainly be made for Eric Lindros - it's somewhat difficult to believe a player as dominant as he was for 5 or 6 years couldn't close the deal. I guess that's a little controversial, though. Mats Sundin too - neither of their careers are over, but it's getting close. Edited November 16, 2006 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 Three HHoF Rangers of the '60's and 70's: Jean Ratelle Eddie Giacomin Rod Gilbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hattrick Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) Here are net minders that come to mind: Cujo Beezer Burke Hextall JD And I think Tony Esposito Edited November 17, 2006 by hattrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 What about Tretyak? He never played in the NHL but that wasn't because he didn't have the talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Ray Bourquebeing along for the ride and for ESPN to have a story to write doesn't count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Ray Bourquebeing along for the ride and for ESPN to have a story to write doesn't count Oh please. He had his number retired for a reason!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 It's amazing how much Ray Bourque stuff there is at the HHoF. Blech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Oh please. He had his number retired for a reason!! yeah excessively thin Colorado air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsadvoc8 Posted November 17, 2006 Author Share Posted November 17, 2006 Wow, some good thoughts here. I can't believe middleton never won it. Lots of Rangers mentioned (what a shocker). Yeah, after the fellating of Bourque during that cup run, I can't stand him & I have trouble respecting his career for that whole deal. Granted he probably didn't choose the attention, it still colors my view of him. I also find it interesting that no one is gushing over Cam Neely. that guy (when healthy) was better than Lindros or has my anti-flyer bias colored that comparison too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 (edited) lol Edited November 17, 2006 by Derek21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Lots of great players named. The only name that comes to mind if Pierre Turgeon. He has had a pretty good career. Teemu Selanne also has to be mentioned. Paul Kariya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOTCB Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 lol Wow, you are dead on Derek...lol was a great skater...gritty...1500+ points for his career...good call!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCroMag Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I don't remember much about Marcel Dionne, but his stats certainly back up his place on this list. For guys I remember, though, I gotta go with Ciccarelli and Gartner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyvegas Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 His linemates Simpson and Taylor were'nt too bad either. How about Neeley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJD Jester Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Lots of great players named. The only name that comes to mind if Pierre Turgeon. He has had a pretty good career. That's sort of my point with Oates, who I think was the best passing center since Gretzky. Had he won a ring as a top-line center -- and wasn't carried there by his teammates -- I think he's moved up with Sakic, Yzerman and Modano. Instead, he's in that tier with players like Pierre Turgeon and Dale Hawerchuk -- great players with great numbers who never won. <JESTER> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostondevil11 Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 When i saw Ray Bourque at the bar before a BU game I so badly wanted to go up to him and give him crap about winning the cup against the Devils. The only reason I didn't is I didn't know how to phrase it so it would be funny. I had to suffer through all that crap here in Boston if you think ESPN was bad the media up here was worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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