nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Is anyone else surprised how many fans chose to stay for the ceremonies?I would have bolted...I still can't believe this happened AGAIN, even if the finer details weren't the same. I wish there was nobody in the stands.. there shouldn't be anyone in the stands after this mess.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 The only good is that this will for sure mean there will be moves in the offseason.. We were going nowhere in the playoffs with this rotation and bullpen vs the best NL team.. if we made it to the playoffs maybe Omar would think its a 'pass' and not be eager to change things around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I wish there was nobody in the stands.. there shouldn't be anyone in the stands after this mess.. The current-day chokers of the Mets shouldn't prevent us from celebrating 45 years of history and saying goodbye to the ballpark. Besides, fans paid big money in some cases for these tickets, might as well stay for the ceremonies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 The only good is that this will for sure mean there will be moves in the offseason.. We were going nowhere in the playoffs with this rotation and bullpen vs the best NL team.. if we made it to the playoffs maybe Omar would think its a 'pass' and not be eager to change things around The Cardinals won the whole thing after an 83-79 season where their pitching staff was a mess. Anything can happen once you get in...that's the killer here. All things considered, Santana, Pelfrey and Perez would have been a solid 1-2-3 come playoff time. Of course, the bullpen would have been there to piss it all away. Like I said in a previous post...hopefully once Omar stops patting himself on the back and revelling in his "genius", he'll do what needs to be done to push this team over the hump. Dave Kingman...George Foster...am I the only one who remembers what pricks these guys were? Foster was a high-paid disaster who was released during the '86 season because he accused the Mets organization (moreso Davey Johnson) of being racists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I wonder if the Mets consider bringing Bobby V back as manager. Hes pretty much the perfect fit we really need right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 HOLY sh!t DOES SID FERNANDEZ LOOK OLD...AND THIN! I wonder if the Mets consider bringing Bobby V back as manager.Hes pretty much the perfect fit we really need right now Won't ever happen, although he would be starting over with a completely turned over team. Leiter's hearing some boos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Alfonzo...I always liked him. Good to see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) Geez Dwight is that a pillow under your jersey or are you just happy to be out of jail? I loved this guy when he pitched for the Mets (I remember his debut against the Astros)...there will always be a sad, what-could-have-been aura about him. Sad. Edited September 28, 2008 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Ho Jo looks frightened or scared.. and sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 I gotta admit, I'm glad I decided to watch this. Seeing these guys is bringing back a lot of great memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 This should've been before the game... But I guess they wanted the last pitch to go to Tom Seaver, no Matt Lindstrom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 This should've been before the game... But I guess they wanted the last pitch to go to Tom Seaver, no Matt Lindstrom Believe it or not, this is actually helping me feel better...for the moment. In a couple of hours I'll be plenty pissed off again I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) hitting coaches, managers..the problem is very simple. the mets had 600 ABs from endy chavez, argenis reyes, and marlon anderson that were below replacement level. that cost the mets around 3 wins. they don't get enough production from catcher and 2nd base. and the bullpen was terrible. they should keep heilman, but somehow try to scrounge up some arms. fixing a bullpen is a multi-year process, though. the thing is, the mets just had too many specialists - smith can't be used against lefties, schoenweis can't be used against righties, and sanchez and ayala shouldn't be used against anybody. Edited September 28, 2008 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestevens Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Keep Heilman but i know they are going to break free agency to try to get some big fish. The problem is huge and they need to coat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Pyros and confetti. Did we win the NL East? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 hitting coaches, managers..the problem is very simple.the mets had 600 ABs from endy chavez, argenis reyes, and marlon anderson that were below replacement level. that cost the mets around 3 wins. they don't get enough production from catcher and 2nd base. and the bullpen was terrible. they should keep heilman, but somehow try to scrounge up some arms. fixing a bullpen is a multi-year process, though. All of the above were issues, but the #1 killer was the bullpen, without question. The Mets offense scored plenty of runs and had a lot of 6-inning leads, even with the bad bench. The Mets have the means to go great themselves a great closer in KRod. Omar loves to think of himself as a genius...now it's time to prove it. I'm not asking him to find All-Stars for every role in the pen, but certain guys can't come back. He knows who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) Okay so I guess we can say Jerry is our manager for 2009. (watch the Minaya interview) Edited September 28, 2008 by nmigliore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) All of the above were issues, but the #1 killer was the bullpen, without question. The Mets offense scored plenty of runs and had a lot of 6-inning leads, even with the bad bench. The Mets have the means to go great themselves a great closer in KRod. Omar loves to think of himself as a genius...now it's time to prove it. I'm not asking him to find All-Stars for every role in the pen, but certain guys can't come back. He knows who they are. KRod didn't even have that great a season this year. Throw in his unorthodox delivery (you never know when that's going to fall apart into tommy john surgery) and the fact that teams way overvalue saves, I wouldn't touch KRod. I'm not sure of Wagner's status - if he returns by July 2009, you just can't dump all that money on KRod, there are far too many positions that need fixing on the Mets - the rotation, for one. You keep Heilman and Smith, try to dump everyone else, maybe get some young arms to work back there, and sign some free agents if you can. You hope that Burgos comes back at full velocity and can help out. Is the Mets' new ballpark configured like Shea? Edited September 28, 2008 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Okay so I guess we can say Jerry is our manager for 2009.(watch the Minaya interview) I would've went hard after Bobby Valentine. And if he didn't want it or couldn't be let out of his contract...settle with Manuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) Believe it or not, this is actually helping me feel better...for the moment. In a couple of hours I'll be plenty pissed off again I'm sure. Same here, but now watching Omar is annoying me again. He continues to deny reality. Gotta love him saying 'well we got over the hump, we won the division in 2006'. Yeah they won the division, from 15 games in front. When the going gets tough, the Mets hide in a corner. Then again the late '80's Mets didn't win close races either, they won runaways - but they did prove their mettle in the '86 postseason. Edited September 28, 2008 by Hasan4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 (edited) KRod didn't even have that great a season this year. Throw in his unorthodox delivery (you never know when that's going to fall apart) and the fact that teams way overvalue saves, I wouldn't touch KRod. I'm not sure of Wagner's status - if he returns by July 2009, you just can't dump all that money on KRod, there are far too many positions that need fixing on the Mets - the rotation, for one. Hes not returning.. trust me.. K-Rod is probably the best closer in the game besides Mariano Rivera, and you know hes not going anywhere.. So K-Rod is the 2nd best option possible and he happens to be a FA Fuentes would be an option only if we plan to land another big free agent Edited September 28, 2008 by nmigliore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 KRod didn't even have that great a season this year. Throw in his unorthodox delivery (you never know when that's going to fall apart into tommy john surgery) and the fact that teams way overvalue saves, I wouldn't touch KRod. I'm not sure of Wagner's status - if he returns by July 2009, you just can't dump all that money on KRod, there are far too many positions that need fixing on the Mets - the rotation, for one.You keep Heilman and Smith, try to dump everyone else, maybe get some young arms to work back there, and sign some free agents if you can. You hope that Burgos comes back at full velocity and can help out. Is the Mets' new ballpark configured like Shea? Outside of the saves, KRod's individual numbers definitely weren't as good...I'll give you that. Wagner is out for all of next season too, so he's done as a Met. I don't know what the exact dimensions of Citifield are, but I think they're supposed to be pitcher-friendly. I'd keep Feliciano (I think he can be a good situational lefty), but Schoeneweis has to go. Ayala did the best he could and had some good moments, but he goes too. Heilman I'm torn on, because he had three solid years before this one, but he's completely lost now. Santana, Pelfrey, and Maine will be in the rotation next year...Pedro and Ollie are gone. With that money (Pedro was making a lot), I'd love to see the Mets go after CC, but that's probably not going to happen...I think he'll be a Yankee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Same here, but now watching Omar is annoying me again. He continues to deny reality. Gotta love him saying 'well we got over the hump, we won the division in 2006'. Yeah they won the division, from 15 games in front. When the going gets tough, the Mets hide in a corner.Then again the late '80's Mets didn't win close races either, they won runaways - but they did prove their mettle in the '86 postseason. Omar never passes up a chance to pat himself on the back. As much as I enjoyed the post-game ceremony, Mets history overall is pretty bleak. Far more lows than highs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Outside of the saves, KRod's individual numbers definitely weren't as good...I'll give you that. Wagner is out for all of next season too, so he's done as a Met. I don't know what the exact dimensions of Citifield are, but I think they're supposed to be pitcher-friendly. I'd keep Feliciano (I think he can be a good situational lefty), but Schoeneweis has to go. Ayala did the best he could and had some good moments, but he goes too. Heilman I'm torn on, because he had three solid years before this one, but he's completely lost now. Santana, Pelfrey, and Maine will be in the rotation next year...Pedro and Ollie are gone. With that money (Pedro was making a lot), I'd love to see the Mets go after CC, but that's probably not going to happen...I think he'll be a Yankee. CC is possible.. but then I dont see K-Rod.. I dont see both of them in a Met uni. MLB decided NOT to give us insurance on Wagner, pff that would've greatly helped.. fvck you Selig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyNice Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 KRod didn't even have that great a season this year. Throw in his unorthodox delivery (you never know when that's going to fall apart into tommy john surgery) and the fact that teams way overvalue saves, I wouldn't touch KRod. I'm not sure of Wagner's status - if he returns by July 2009, you just can't dump all that money on KRod, there are far too many positions that need fixing on the Mets - the rotation, for one.You keep Heilman and Smith, try to dump everyone else, maybe get some young arms to work back there, and sign some free agents if you can. You hope that Burgos comes back at full velocity and can help out. Is the Mets' new ballpark configured like Shea? I dunno Tri. Wagner is a FA after 2009. You have to think the Mets won't bring him back. AFAIK, they don't have any budding closers in the system so you have to look outside. You sign Rodriguez and if Wagner can come back in July you have a strong 1-2 game closing punch. I like it. Saves may be overvalued from a stat perspective but the 2008 Mets proved how valuable having a guy that can pitch a clean ninth is. Look at the nine teams still playing, except for Tampa and Milwaukee, they all have a dominant end game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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