CRASHER Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Can Bettman change the rules at this point in the season? Or is this a "we're looking into it for next year" thing? they changed them instantly when Brett Hull scored in the crease in the 1999 Finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 " the ranger fans were loving it" ... "thats because it wasn't being done to lundquist " - Gary Bettman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 TSN.ca has a video of their talking heads (McKenzie, Pang, Recchi) talking about it, and one of them (I forget who) said that he had actually seen this happen before, but never in a reputable league. That about sums it up. Bush League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 " the ranger fans were loving it" ... "thats because it wasn't being done to lundquist " - Gary Bettman did you make this up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 (edited) did you make this up? Its on the audio from Carton/boomer this morning http://www.wfan.com/ metalli -- I'm surprised ... Edited April 14, 2008 by El Diablo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Carton/Boomer...it's great to have another guy on the radio passionate about hockey in Boomer, even if he is a Ranger fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theamazingtiny Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Its on the audio from Carton/boomer this morninghttp://www.wfan.com/ metalli -- I'm surprised ... http://www.wfan.com/pages/870783.php Top left 4/14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 which is why they have a nice vague penalty on the books called unsportsmanlike conduct...though I have to wonder if it's going to be a penalty if it's done again, why ISN'T it the first time?? Someone's gonna do this to me in goal this week I KNOW it... and they'll get murdered for it I agree. Why is it ok the first time you do it but the 2nd time it is a penalty? Makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodeurrocks Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Rule 41 Abuse of Officials and other Misconduct Section GA misconduct penalty shall be imposed on any player who persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty. http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule41.html Yeah, that is the section that TSN referred to last evening. Hey give Avery credit, he has people in Canada actually talking about the Devils / Rangers series now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Hey give Avery credit, he has people in Canada actually talking about the Devils / Rangers series now. and that affects us how? no credit to hat asswhipe ...sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nieuwy25 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 The best part of that whole situation was when Drury skated over and told him to knock it off. Good for Drury. TSN.ca has a video of their talking heads (McKenzie, Pang, Recchi) talking about it, and one of them (I forget who) said that he had actually seen this happen before, but never in a reputable league. That about sums it up.Bush League. Yeah, no doubt he thought he was in the NBA. That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. If I'd been his teammate I would have been so embarrassed. Who's the Ranger captain? He should have let Avery have it after the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 (edited) Someone had a good comparison on Gulutti's blog, it was exactly like A-Rod's 'Ha!' play last year. Something that you're not entirely sure is against the rules but still feels skanky. Jagr's the C Nieuwy. Apparently Drury did say something himself, good for him. And I do believe (like PK said either here or another thread) that his antics helped anger the Devils last night into turning it up a notch. It's typical Avery though, it's all about him. He's what Mike Danton could have been if he wasn't so self-destructive. Edited April 14, 2008 by Hasan4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think Drury was just telling him to keep his stick down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 " the ranger fans were loving it" ... "thats because it wasn't being done to lundquist " - Gary Bettman Yea what a stupid thing to say. Was the guy really trying to argue with Bettman that it was a tolerable act just because the Rangers fans were enjoying it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Yea what a stupid thing to say. Was the guy really trying to argue with Bettman that it was a tolerable act just because the Rangers fans were enjoying it? no, he wasn't trying to argue it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Its on the audio from Carton/boomer this morninghttp://www.wfan.com/ metalli -- I'm surprised ... At what? You can't actually expect me to listen to WFAN, haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 After the replay was shown on CBC's feed of the Boston-Montreal game they brought up that vague "misconduct" penalty. The feeling was Avery should have been put in the box for a 10 minute player misconduct meaning no PP for the Devils. yeah i saw that and i agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Based on this rule, shouldn't spraying a goalie with ice after a whistle also be a penalty? I hate when players do that, and I've always felt it should be a penalty, even moreso now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Based on this rule, shouldn't spraying a goalie with ice after a whistle also be a penalty? I hate when players do that, and I've always felt it should be a penalty, even moreso now. I've seen it called that before when a player does it with too much gusto and purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 TSN.ca has a video of their talking heads (McKenzie, Pang, Recchi) talking about it, and one of them (I forget who) said that he had actually seen this happen before, but never in a reputable league. That about sums it up. Actually, I think that was James Duthie quoting an "un-named NHL goaltender". Pang said that Turco has said that he's thinking about taking this to the rules committee. But let me play Devils' Advocate for a moment here.... why is this unsportsmanlike? Standing in front of the goalie and doing everything in your power to get the goalie off his game SHOULD be the goal of the guy in front. All the talking heads said was "no, it's over the line.... it hurts the game.... it makes the league less credible". Less credible? As opposed to the Pronger suspension? The Penguins throwing their last game of the season? The officiating thus far in these playoffs? If this was 1995 and it was Claude Lemieux in front of Hextall we'd be defending him. As for it "getting the Devils angry", I might buy that if Avery hadn't scored seconds later. Maybe the combination of the two - his antics *AND* scoring a goal. But I think the Devils improved play in the second half of the game had nothing to do with Avery and everything to do with knowing that they had to win this game or they were likely eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I've seen it called that before when a player does it with too much gusto and purpose. Really? I've never seen it called. Zubrus should've been called on more than one occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Really? I've never seen it called. Zubrus should've been called on more than one occasion. Ya, I would guess like 7 or 8 years ago the league made a point to make players cut down on snowing goalies and for a while players would actually get called for doing that. Now that it's an infrequent occurrence it doesn't get called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 But let me play Devils' Advocate for a moment here.... why is this unsportsmanlike? Standing in front of the goalie and doing everything in your power to get the goalie off his game SHOULD be the goal of the guy in front. Like a cornerback in football the person screening the goalie should be aware of the play going on around him. A cornerback can run around with his arms waving in the air and bat down a lot of balls through happenstance but it isn't making a football play to do so. In this case, which is similar in my eyes, not knowing what is happening in the play and just waving your stick around the goalies face can screen a goalie but he isn't making a hockey play to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Actually, I think that was James Duthie quoting an "un-named NHL goaltender". Pang said that Turco has said that he's thinking about taking this to the rules committee. But let me play Devils' Advocate for a moment here.... why is this unsportsmanlike? Standing in front of the goalie and doing everything in your power to get the goalie off his game SHOULD be the goal of the guy in front. All the talking heads said was "no, it's over the line.... it hurts the game.... it makes the league less credible". Less credible? As opposed to the Pronger suspension? The Penguins throwing their last game of the season? The officiating thus far in these playoffs? If this was 1995 and it was Claude Lemieux in front of Hextall we'd be defending him. As for it "getting the Devils angry", I might buy that if Avery hadn't scored seconds later. Maybe the combination of the two - his antics *AND* scoring a goal. But I think the Devils improved play in the second half of the game had nothing to do with Avery and everything to do with knowing that they had to win this game or they were likely eliminated. I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't be happy if a Devils taunted Henny the way Avery taunted Marty. And that's what it was, taunting. Not screening, we all know what that looks like. There are rules of engagement and this went over the line, the fact that there wasn't a specific rule against it doesn't make it any less wrong or degrading to the game. It just took an ass wipe like Avery to try it. And now there's a clear rule. As for the Pronger "suspension" and other such arguable suspensions, I don't see a comparison. You don't allow a wrong because other wrongs take place. You deal with each infraction as it occurs and hopefully one day, some day, the league will get it right and hand down the proper penalties equally and consistently across the board. The league did the right thing with Avery and it should be commended. To let it go and let the next idiot escalate it into something worse, something that could cause injury would be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 no, he wasn't trying to argue it at all. Then why was he bringing up the fact that the fans in the arena loved it? To me it just sounded like he was trying to imply that the fans were loving it, so why is it a problem? Actually, I think that was James Duthie quoting an "un-named NHL goaltender". Pang said that Turco has said that he's thinking about taking this to the rules committee. But let me play Devils' Advocate for a moment here.... why is this unsportsmanlike? Standing in front of the goalie and doing everything in your power to get the goalie off his game SHOULD be the goal of the guy in front. All the talking heads said was "no, it's over the line.... it hurts the game.... it makes the league less credible". Less credible? As opposed to the Pronger suspension? The Penguins throwing their last game of the season? The officiating thus far in these playoffs? If this was 1995 and it was Claude Lemieux in front of Hextall we'd be defending him. Just think about what it would look like if every team started doing this and this is what powerplays turned into, with every powerplay involving a guy getting right up in the goalie's face and waving his arms and stick around trying to distract him. It would make a complete joke of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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