mrthemike Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I wrote something a few years back on this very subject. Take a look if you want.http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...DE48D9C62708258 Let me know if the link doesn't work. Just fair warning, though. There's a lot of naughty language (I was pissed at the time, for whatever reason) and some of the links in the text might not work anymore, what with this thing being two years old and all. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 What's up with your hate for "the great one"? The guy has apologized for calling the team a "Mickey Mouse club" already? What else do you want from the guy? I've never forgiven him for signing with douch...er...Rangers, but that is all in the past. The guy was the greatest hockey player of all time. I'll even go as far as saying he was "the best there is, best there was, and the best there ever will be.." Then again, I'm a little biased. Just because he's the best that ever lived doesn't mean I can't hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 What's up with your hate for "the great one"? The guy has apologized for calling the team a "Mickey Mouse club" already? What else do you want from the guy? I've never forgiven him for signing with douch...er...Rangers, but that is all in the past. The guy was the greatest hockey player of all time. I'll even go as far as saying he was "the best there is, best there was, and the best there ever will be.." Then again, I'm a little biased. Yea I don't get it either. I mean obviously calling us a "Mickey Mouse organization" was lame, but I don't think there's reason to still hate the guy for it. Then again, I idolized him growing up as well and am too young to remember him making that comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I wrote something a few years back on this very subject. Take a look if you want.http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...DE48D9C62708258 Let me know if the link doesn't work. Just fair warning, though. There's a lot of naughty language (I was pissed at the time, for whatever reason) and some of the links in the text might not work anymore, what with this thing being two years old and all. "I can hear them whining now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Yea I don't get it either. I mean obviously calling us a "Mickey Mouse organization" was lame, but I don't think there's reason to still hate the guy for it. Then again, I idolized him growing up as well and am too young to remember him making that comment. I agree, he was a 20-something year old kid when he said that. I've done some stupid things in my 20's. I'm sure I'll do a couple more before I get out. And at the time... it wasn't like the Devils were a good team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 (edited) I wrote something a few years back on this very subject. Take a look if you want.http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...DE48D9C62708258 Let me know if the link doesn't work. Just fair warning, though. There's a lot of naughty language (I was pissed at the time, for whatever reason) and some of the links in the text might not work anymore, what with this thing being two years old and all. You rock. And as far as MSG being the "world's most famous arena"... Here's the thing: outside US/Canada it's definitely more famous than Montreal Forum or Maple Leaf Gardens. Ask people around the world if they ever heard about MSG, they'll nod, Ask them about the other two, they'll scratch their heads. So it might be the world's most famous multi-purpose indoor arena indeed. But then ask them where or when they saw it or heard about it and they'll probably reply they watched a boxing fight or two broadcasted from there or they watched a concert from MSG. Some will tell you about an NBA team called New York Knicks playing there. But ask these people about Madison Square Garden's hockey team, they'll probably be like "WTF, they play hockey there??". That's the problem: you can't compare MSG to the Yankee Stadium, Wembley or Old Trafford, Camp Nou etc. in any way. These facilities are all temples of baseball, temples of soccer and so on. MSG is NOT a temple of hockey. It's probably a temple of boxing. But how many great NHL moments happened there? Yeah, the Rangers had that one great season in 1994 there. The first three Cups they won, no one remembers them. It happened before and at the beginning of World War II (sic!) and the current MSG didn't existed back then. Old Trafford is famous because Manchester United, one of the greatest, most popular and richest soccer teams of all time plays there and it's been very successful playing on that stadium. Same with Camp Nou and Barcelona. But MSG isn't recognised as a Rangers' arena around the world. Other than NHL fans, not many people around the world associate it with the Rags really. But Raggots fans act like it was called "Rangers Garden" and everyone around the globe admired them for winning that one Stanley Cup there. Not to mention idiots coming with bullsh!t comments like "too bad none of your three Cups can compare to the one we won in 1994". The Devils would win 10 Cups and Raggots fans would still elude themselves acting like 1994 happened yesterday. And we would see which team would be more popular as a winning organisation then: the Devils with all their success or the Rangers with one Cup no one would remember anymore. Edited August 6, 2008 by Revan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 (edited) I agree, he was a 20-something year old kid when he said that. I've done some stupid things in my 20's. I'm sure I'll do a couple more before I get out. And at the time... it wasn't like the Devils were a good team... I've gone into this in detail on other threads, but Wayne was right at the time...maybe he shouldn't have said it for everyone to hear, but he was justified. All you have to do is take a good look at the first ten years of the Scouts/Rockies/Devils franchise to realize what a mess it was really was. Absurd personnel decisions, constant coaching and GM changing, new owners after new owners who would mandate different philosophies on an almost daily basis...the '74-'75 Scouts broke into the NHL with a 15-54-11 record for 41 points, and the '83-'84 Devils finished their season 17-56-7 record, also good for 41 points. In ten years' time, despite constantly drafting high, the franchise had made almost no progress...and although this happened AFTER Wayne made the Mickey Mouse comment, the franchise that was so well-known for losing managed to win the one game they could ill-afford to: the last game of the '83-'84 season against the Penguins. That cost them Mario Lemieux. Edited August 6, 2008 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 and although this happened AFTER Wayne made the Mickey Mouse comment, the franchise that was so well-known for losing managed to win the one game they could ill-afford to: the last game of the '83-'84 season against the Penguins. That cost them Mario Lemieux. This reminded me: during one game's intermission [last season] they talked to Rich Chere on FSN/MSG+ and about an album he released about the Devils history and they talked about that game and how the Devils history might have gone completely the other way if they lost that game. I wonder how the Devils would look now, how many championships they would have won and where they would be if they lost and drafted Lemieux then. But there's one thing for sure: I don't think I could be happier than I am with how things went and with three Cups the Devils won. I don't think they would turn into an iconic defensive-minded team they are right now and have a winning system like they have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSC Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 "I can hear them whining now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilNurn Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 <3 Ranger hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maltieri Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Greatest. Line. Ever. Agreed--it was laughing at this line that got me all the funny looks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prucenterrules Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 I agree, he was a 20-something year old kid when he said that. I've done some stupid things in my 20's. I'm sure I'll do a couple more before I get out. And at the time... it wasn't like the Devils were a good team... True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adavid Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 and brodeur, duh He's ok I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prucenterrules Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 He's ok I guess. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlemagne Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 i'll hate the rags with you guys all day long. they did lose the sean avery factor (to a team i hate even more), but they still have lots of other things going for them: a proud tradition of losing, overpaying, having obnoxious homer fans, being named after their stupid owner's play on words, and being in an arena that sadly took its now geographically incorrect name from its demolished predecessors (it would be like if "the rock" were named "the meadowlands"). blech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rock 07 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I wrote something a few years back on this very subject. Take a look if you want.http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...DE48D9C62708258 Let me know if the link doesn't work. Just fair warning, though. There's a lot of naughty language (I was pissed at the time, for whatever reason) and some of the links in the text might not work anymore, what with this thing being two years old and all. Dano, Does the $8.8 Million limit still exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSC Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 i'll hate the rags with you guys all day long.they did lose the sean avery factor (to a team i hate even more), but they still have lots of other things going for them: a proud tradition of losing, overpaying, having obnoxious homer fans, being named after their stupid owner's play on words, and being in an arena that sadly took its now geographically incorrect name from its demolished predecessors (it would be like if "the rock" were named "the meadowlands"). blech. You mean geologically? Sorry RWTD. Anyway, all very good reasons to hate teh rangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 (edited) Dano, Does the $8.8 Million limit still exist? Nope. Under the current CBA, the most an individual player can make is 20% of the team's salary cap. In the 2006-07 season the cap was $44M, so 20% of that would be $8.8M. Now that the cap is up to $56.7M, the most an individual player can make is $11.34M. Edit: It should also be noted that in the first year after the lockout, Lou's apparent offer to Scott Niedermayer was $7.8M. At the time, the cap was $39M, and $7.8M was the max offer that could be made at the time (20% of $39M = $7.8M). Edited August 7, 2008 by DaneykoIsGod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rock 07 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Nope. Under the current CBA, the most an individual player can make is 20% of the team's salary cap. In the 2006-07 season the cap was $44M, so 20% of that would be $8.8M. Now that the cap is up to $56.7M, the most an individual player can make is $11.34M.Edit: It should also be noted that in the first year after the lockout, Lou's apparent offer to Scott Niedermayer was $7.8M. At the time, the cap was $39M, and $7.8M was the max offer that could be made at the time (20% of $39M = $7.8M). Thanks. So at the time the Rangers were allowed to pay their players over the limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Thanks. So at the time the Rangers were allowed to pay their players over the limit? The Holik deal was inked before the cap. No cap = no ceiling on individual players contracts. The fact that the Rags signed a third-line center to such a ludicrous amount of money helped destroy the salary structure of the league to the point that a salary cap became necessary. Hence them being so largely to blame for the lost season, hence another reason for my hatred for that franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 The Holik deal was inked before the cap. No cap = no ceiling on individual players contracts. The fact that the Rags signed a third-line center to such a ludicrous amount of money helped destroy the salary structure of the league to the point that a salary cap became necessary. Hence them being so largely to blame for the lost season, hence another reason for my hatred for that franchise. That, and the undeniable fact that the 1995 lockout was the direct result of no one wanting to have to deal with NY fans after they actually won a cup and had a REASON to be arrogant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 The Holik deal was inked before the cap. No cap = no ceiling on individual players contracts. The fact that the Rags signed a third-line center to such a ludicrous amount of money helped destroy the salary structure of the league to the point that a salary cap became necessary. Hence them being so largely to blame for the lost season, hence another reason for my hatred for that franchise. As much as the Rangers were to blame for salaries spiraling out of control, they weren't alone. Dallas also made an outrageous offer to Holik, and signed Bill Guerin to an absurd deal as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 As much as the Rangers were to blame for salaries spiraling out of control, they weren't alone. Dallas also made an outrageous offer to Holik, and signed Bill Guerin to an absurd deal as well. The Devils made almost the same offer to Holik as the Rangers did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 The Devils made almost the same offer to Holik as the Rangers did. It was about $10 million less, wasn't it? 5 years at $7 million per? That's what I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 i'll hate the rags with you guys all day long. I can feel Your anger; It Gives You Focus, Makes You Stronger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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