westcoastdevfan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 If the scrimmage was intense enough for guys to fight even over a hard shove...I still think it's good for the team. Intensity now, mean s intensity later. This team needs that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemaleyfan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Surprised at some of the negativity about all of this. Whether it was a macho pissing match, or a heated, toe-to-toe slugfest (doubt it), it's emotion....something everyone here was vocal about this club lacking last year. Let's hope it spills over into tomorrow afternoon, and such and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Asked if he only fights his teammates, Langenbrunner responded, "I try to. That way I don't get beat up that bad." Devils are screwed. Locker room issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoastdevfan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Brookbank punched Salmela...Sutter has lost control of this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overtime98 Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Langenbrunner and Zubrus fight in New Jersey Devils' scrimmage by Rich Chere Friday September 26, 2008, 11:39 AM With coach Brent Sutter and general manager Lou Lamoriello watching, the Devils split up their training camp roster and held a scrimmage Friday morning at their Prudential Center practice rink. The highlight of the 60-minute game (two 30-minute periods of running time) was a fight between captain Jamie Langenbrunner and right winger Dainius Zubrus. Both landed several soft punches and it was Zubrus and the red squad which emerged with a 3-2 victory in the game. "I'm not picking on anybody," Zubrus said afterwards with a smile. "He came across and ran into me. I gave him a shot and he gave it back." No hard feelings. "No big deal," Langenbrunner said. "Just playing. I wanted the Gordie Howe hat trick, so I started with that (a fight). I used to fight regularly." http://www.nj.com/devils/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Haha, Langenbrunner seems light-hearted about it. Zubrus is either pissed, or doesn't understand American sarcasm which is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Maybe Zubrus thought the C on Jamie's jersey stood for Selfish. I love this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Chalk up one vote from me that this is a bad thing. Its only preseason but I don't think its good to have a team so bottled up with emotions that they feel the need to lash out at each other all the time as some sort of release. Its especially bad if there's some legit bad blood between the two. And if Langs did it as a way to get his team emotionally fired up, unless Zubrus was slacking or and Langs was trying to keep him accountable and things escalated its pretty bush league in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs4LIFE Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Practice how you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceThief Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 why exactly is it a good thing when the team is fighting? It's called marking one's territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prucenterrules Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 I'm very glad this happened. Langenbrunner and Zubrus need to respond after a disapointing year last season. Hopefully this will fire them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 If Langs instigated this, good for him, it's repentance for his "purse fight" against Gomez during the playoffs that set hockey back 25 years. If Zubie instigate this, that's pretty interesting. I don't have a problem with these things as long as it's not in the "Bill Guerin kicks the sh!t out of minor leaguer when he was with the Stars" kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDJR41 Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 It's competition, jesus people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 The tam was awfully soft in the playoff series against the Rangers. There should've been a bench clearing brawl or two in this series and we didn't see the Devils respond. I'm glad the intensity is this high in the preseason, let's hope we'll see some old time hockey this year from the Devils and they (especially Langs, the C) won't tolerate pushing and shoving on any of our players (especially Marty) and pay back if something like that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 There should've been a bench clearing brawl or two in this series and we didn't see the Devils respond. I can't tell if this is a serious suggestion or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 I can't tell if this is a serious suggestion or not I don't think you're allowed to do that anymore, but I agree with him. I think part of the problem was that they were always down in the series and rarely had a lead in a game, but they should have done something to stop the sh!t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 I can't tell if this is a serious suggestion or not After what Avery did, he should've been left on the ice bleeding and one of our players should have dropped the gloves with Lundqvist. This is hockey, you have to be aggressive and letting punks like Avery get into your goalie's head like that is absolutely unacceptable. They didn't give him the lesson he deserved. Imagine Scotty Stevens being on the ice seeing some a$$hole waving his stick before Brodeur's head. Sean's career would likely be over now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 After what Avery did, he should've been left on the ice bleeding and one of our players should have dropped the gloves with Lundqvist. This is hockey, you have to be aggressive and letting punks like Avery get into your goalie's head like that is absolutely unacceptable. They didn't give him the lesson he deserved.Imagine Scotty Stevens being on the ice seeing some a$$hole waving his stick before Brodeur's head. Sean's career would likely be over now. Remember the Hurricanes series in '01? Scotty was just game hunting there, imagine what he could do if he was pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 After what Avery did, he should've been left on the ice bleeding and one of our players should have dropped the gloves with Lundqvist. This is hockey, you have to be aggressive and letting punks like Avery get into your goalie's head like that is absolutely unacceptable. They didn't give him the lesson he deserved.Imagine Scotty Stevens being on the ice seeing some a$$hole waving his stick before Brodeur's head. Sean's career would likely be over now. Yup, that's great, so a few of our enforcers leave the bench and go and get maybe 1 or 2 sucker punches in on Avery and then get an automatic game misconduct, minor penalty and oh yeah 10 game suspension. So now Avery is free for the rest of the series to do what ever the fvck he want's because the only players we have to shut him down are watching the game from home. Good plan coach, that will teach him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) You're exaggerating. Let's say it the other way: you leave Avery be, nobody fights him, let him do what he wants. Great, let him hit Marty. Defending your goalie makes no sense at all. The NHL is softer than it was before, unfortunately. A few years back beating sh!t ouf of Avery would be a natural reaction to such act. Times have changed, I guess. Edited September 26, 2008 by Revan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) it's certainly possible i am wrong, but: the devils POUNDED sean avery - they did everything short of sucker punch him or tie-domi-to-scott-niedermayer-him. on gomez's key goal in game 5, where is john madden? oh that's right, trying to get YET ANOTHER shot in on avery, whom he had hit hard at least once that shift and possibly twice. avery took an absolute beating in the playoffs until his spleen gave out. anyway, re: this fight - i can recall stevens doing similar things, and certainly scrums in scrimmages aren't uncommon. Edited September 26, 2008 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) You're exaggerating. Let's say it the other way: you leave Avery be, nobody fights him, let him do what he wants. Great, let him hit Marty. Defending your goalie makes no sense at all.The NHL is softer than it was before, unfortunately. A few years back beating sh!t ouf of Avery would be a natural reaction to such act. Times have changed, I guess. uh... 70.10 Fines and Suspensions – The first player or goalkeeper to leave the players’ or penalty bench during an altercation or for the purpose of starting an altercation from either or both teams shall be suspended automatically without pay for the next ten (10) regular League and/or Play-off games of his team. The second player or goalkeeper to leave the players’ or penalty bench during an altercation or for the purpose of starting an altercation from either or both teams shall be suspended automatically without pay for the next five (5) regular League and/or Play-off games. The determination as to which players (or goalkeepers) shall be deemed the first or second players to have left their respective players’ or penalty benches shall be made by the Referees in consultation with the Linesmen and off-ice officials. In the event that they are unable to identify the offending players, the matter will be referred to the Commissioner or his designee and such determinations may be made subsequently based on reports and other information including but not limited to television tapes. I think it's funny when people say "man if Stevens or Dano were here Avery would never have been able to get away with what he did". If those two played against Avery and did even 1/10th the stuff people are asking they would have had their asses in the penalty box while Avery roamed free to do whatever he pleased on the following play. How quick we forget his antics were when the devils were shorthanded. What exactly was Scotty going to do from there? throw a water bottle? And before you hint at it, at best it's an automatic 5 game suspension to leave the penalty box. Edited September 26, 2008 by squishyx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 You're exaggerating. Let's say it the other way: you leave Avery be, nobody fights him, let him do what he wants. Great, let him hit Marty. Defending your goalie makes no sense at all.The NHL is softer than it was before, unfortunately. A few years back beating sh!t ouf of Avery would be a natural reaction to such act. Times have changed, I guess. Not exaggerating, you're not allowed to clear the benches anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 (edited) The NHL is softer than it was before, unfortunately. A few years back beating sh!t ouf of Avery would be a natural reaction to such act. Times have changed, I guess. That is the truth. I can't imagine, lets say, someone doing that to Ed Belfour in the early 90's and not seeing Probert get involved somehow. But it is a different era now. Edit... then again, Belfour would probably just deck someone if they were doing that to him. Edited September 26, 2008 by Devil Dan 56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Okay, you're apparently right about the bench clearing situations. But I still think the Devils should've responded to Avery's 'antics' with at least dropping the gloves and they didn't do that. One of the Devils on the ice should've done it. Back on topic: I have no problems with players fighting in scrimmages, if the players are willing to fight their teammates or at least know how to respond, they will know what to do when things get hot in regular games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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